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Is agave nectar on the typebase site?  I have looked and can't locate it... is it a neutral for  type Os?  
I have been having some green tea with unsweetened soy milk and agave nectar in the mornings...  the green tea is  good, and the soy and agave are neutral... is this correct?

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I don't know either but am intested in knowing. I have been using in instead of honey an have found I like it better. I take a piece of toasted sprouted bread some Agave and peanut butter, instant snack and curbs my sweets cravings.  It's so good
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Agave nectar is an ingredient in the Unibars and it is neutral or better for all blood types.  Here are the Unlibars:  http://www.4yourtype.com/products.asp?dept=5
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Thanks Vicki I knew I read that some where... It was in the news letter e-mailed to us.
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I'm confused.  
I thought fructose is forbidden for o's and A's. But agave is mainly fructose.
http://www.volcanicnectar.com/buyblueagave.html (almost at the bottom of the page is a description of the composition)

I know it is being promoted by alot of health people as a good alternative to higher glycemic honey or table sugar. But am wondering what makes the fructose in this product different from the granulated/liquid fructose listed in typebase.

Not asking to be a pain--I have a couple of O kids that I would like to be able to occasionally serve something sweet...
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The typebase fructose entry is for commercially made/used/sold fructose, which odds are is made from corn. Natural fructose in foods is OK.


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so... agave is a neutral?  but so is regular table sugar....
I am working on the arthritis  protocol.... I'm not having a ton of the agave nectar, but some in my tea in the mornings....  I saw where it's in the unibars.... but I wondered if it's on the typebase yet... guess not....

I am assuming I can  have this and still be compliant on the O athhritis   diet... ????
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not yet on typebase, no.
there is a difference between sugars, though......
Quoted Text
-- Agave nectar is 42 percent sweeter than white sugar,
and carries a low glycemic index
average of 11, meaning itís absorbed slowly. Honey, by comparison,
carries a glycemic index of
83 out of 100, while common white table sugar carries the
highest ability of the three to be
absorbed quickly and turned to blood glucose.


this was in the last NAP update this month.


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not yet on typebase, no.
there is a difference between sugars, though......


this was in the last NAP update this month.
Okay, so the reason Dr. D is anti fructose is not so much the fructose itself as it is the original source, Yes?

I understand that fructose is metabolized differently than other sugars, basically bypassing the bloodstream and going straight to the liver for processing.  This accounts for it's low glycemic score.  Is this a correct belief?  

Just wondering, because I was under the impression that fructose was hard on the liver.  But, I suppose even if this is true, the small amount the average BTD follower eats would not make much difference.  If that is the only added sweetener used, and moderation is exercised, it probably IS the ideal choice.



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The sweet taste in fruit is from the naturally occurring fructose.  This is different from the fructose that is commercially made from an avoid such as corn.  The fructose in Agave is used by many people because it doesn't seem to spike the blood sugar as fast as other sweeteners.  It doesn't mean to eat it in excess because it will eventually raise the blood sugar level.  My daughter found that out by using too much of it on her crepes and feeling really "sugar wired".  But in small amounts, it's a great sugar alternative.



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There are mild or dark varieties available.  

The mild variety would probably suit more foods, akin to a light honey. The darker variety has retained for nutrients and I believe has a more pronounced flavored.

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The sweet taste in fruit is from the naturally occurring fructose. †This is different from the fructose that is commercially made from an avoid such as corn. †The fructose in Agave is used by many people because it doesn't seem to spike the blood sugar as fast as other sweeteners. †It doesn't mean to eat it in excess because it will eventually raise the blood sugar level. †My daughter found that out by using too much of it on her crepes and feeling really "sugar wired". †But in small amounts, it's a great sugar alternative.

Oh, yes! I realize that the sugar in fruit is fructose. †It is in it's most pure and natural form and has not been refined, condensed or extracted. There is the naturally occuring balance of vitamins, minerals, fiber and water as well. †

I was just wondering how much refinement must happen before the agave turns from being a healthful alternative to being just another refined sweetener that does more damage than not.

I understand that not everyone is as weird as I am about analyzing their sweeteners. I guess I am a little gun-shy since it seems like supposedly healthful alternatives to sugar keep getting shot down by one study or another. Honey and maple syrup are high glycemic, so could cause problems for some people. †I thought sucanat was a great alternative to white sugar and had been feeding it to my family in oatmeal and baked goods. †Then I looked it up in the ER books and apparently it is terrible stuff as far as how it acts in the blood!

I have really been hoping to be convinced that agave is the truly 'safe' and wonderful product it appears to be!




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sucanat is a tier II avoid for A secretors.
if your family is in good health, it is fine to use.....
always check first before making any hectic decisions.


and about the benefits of agave nectar......it is so far top notch info.


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so... agave is a neutral? †but so is regular table sugar....
I am working on the arthritis †protocol.... I'm not having a ton of the agave nectar, but some in my tea in the mornings.... †I saw where it's in the unibars.... but I wondered if it's on the typebase yet... guess not....

I am assuming I can †have this and still be compliant on the O athhritis † diet... ????


this is still my question... anyone care to comment? I'd appreciate some thoughts

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for me, table sugar causes me to crave more sugary foods; whereas agave does not. I only use agave now, even in cooking.

ETA: sometimes I'll take a swig of molasses if I'm really craving licorice, but you didn't hear that from me.  


It is not my responsibility to convince anyone of anything.

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Sorry, sheri, didn't mean to hijack your thread.

It appears that agave, like other unlisteds, is to be considered neutral unless it is given a definitive status.

It's status as a low-glycemic food plus the intensity of sweetness (which means less would be used) makes it superior to table sugar as long as your body tolerates it. †I am assuming Dr. D would not have authorized it for use in his food bars if it was not at least a neutral.

Just my humble perspective.

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Heather,
I think it's an individual matter.  Agave is the only sweetener that my daughter will use.  I don't like it personally . . I don't like how I feel when I eat it.  I basically don't use sweeteners, only a small drizzle of blackstrap molasses on my rice cake.

Technically, it's fine for you, but that doesn't mean to use in large amounts.  You could always experiment.  



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it is not on type base and neither is it in the health library series.
stevia is a frequent neutral though......so agave might be right there, too.
and so is vegetable glycerine.


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Stevia, agave, and vegetable glycerine are certainly 3 totally different things I wouldn't try to make any group assumptions about them just because they all taste sweet


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Quoted from Heather73
I understand that not everyone is as weird as I am about analyzing their sweeteners. I guess I am a little gun-shy since it seems like supposedly healthful alternatives to sugar keep getting shot down by one study or another. Honey and maple syrup are high glycemic, so could cause problems for some people.  I thought sucanat was a great alternative to white sugar and had been feeding it to my family in oatmeal and baked goods.  Then I looked it up in the ER books and apparently it is terrible stuff as far as how it acts in the blood!

I have really been hoping to be convinced that agave is the truly 'safe' and wonderful product it appears to be!

Will now that you bring up the issue of other studies, there is the issue of the AGEs.
Quoted from Endogenous glycation
http://www.dadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Glycation
Endogenous glycations occur mainly in the bloodstream to a small proportion of the absorbed simple sugars: glucose, fructose and galactose. The balance of the sugar molecules is used for metabolic processes. It appears that fructose and galactose have approximately ten times the glycation activity of glucose, the primary body fuel (McPherson et al 198. Glycation is the first step in the evolution of these molecules through a complex series of very slow reactions in the body known as Amadori reactions, Schiff base reactions, and Maillard reactions; all lead to advanced glycation endproducts (AGEs). Some AGEs are benign, but others are more reactive than the sugars they are derived from, and are implicated in many age-related chronic diseases such as: type II diabetes mellitus (beta cell damage), cardiovascular diseases (the endothelium, fibrinogen and collagen are damaged), Alzheimer's disease (amyloid proteins are side products of the reactions progressing to AGEs), cancer (acrylamide and other side products are released), peripheral neuropathy (the myelin is attacked), and other sensory losses such as deafness (due to demyelination) and blindness (mostly due to microvascular damage in the retina). This range of diseases is the result of the very basic level at which glycations interfere with molecular and cellular functioning throughout the body and the release of highly-oxidizing side products such as hydrogen peroxide.

There is more to read about the subject at the link.

This is one reason I don't use agave.

I am currently sugar/sweetener free and have since last summer.


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MoDon, your info is exactly the kind of thing I was talking about. †And I am not really science-minded, but do feel I understand enough to recognize when the text indicates a food really is not healthy.

What I had been wondering is whether 'fructose' is always fructose and behaves in the body the same no matter what the source...

Good for you in becoming sweetener free. †I should probably just go that route myself and save myself all kinds of trouble in trying to determine which sweetener is least damaging.

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yes, stevia and veg glycerine are frequent neutrals in the aging books(arthritis and for O....answering Sheri s quest here).......my assumptions are because they re listed in the HSB as frequent neutrals.....not because they re sweet tasting...(which of course they are!! lol)


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