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Friday, February 16, 2007, 12:50am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Quoted from Schluggell

Which also refering to the 'toxic' compounds - there is a difference in the oil/seed powder from Gold Flax {not the modern hybrid} and the more common {Present day} Black Flax.

Do you know if the Gold is no as toxic as the Black flax?
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I know of no studies that try to caompare either one together.
And unfortunately those that talk about Gold Flax at present are referring mostly to the hybrid form as this is the one promoted by Agribusiness at present.

However, in my years of delving into wild foods and the 'healthy way'  I have met "Old Timers" {Health Nuts & Old Europeans} that advocated the Gold Flax over the Brown for Sprouts and Oil - and its these individuals that seem to always be 'spot on' with their 'instincts'. They used the Brown for the Meal/Powder.

My guess is there is a reason for the Brown Colour - The trouble is to find a good source of Heirloom Gold Flax Seed. Personally I thinks this is a good bit of paranoia -For it is most likely a high dose of Brown Flax seed to have any problems, certainly though if you already have mitigating factors ie. Thyroid OR have a Native American Phenotype....

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Hi pat,

earlier this winter, I was plagued with a constant problem of diarrhea which did not seem to yield to very much intervention.  That is until I had a bm that was green coloured.  Thinking this situation 'nuts' [I purposely swear off having any chlorophyll (greens) during our extremely harsh winters.]

So onto the internet I go .... and find that this is one of the tell-tale signs for IBS (irritable bowel syndrome).  The sites have some intriguing information .... IBS is usually accompanied by chronic diarrhea but can also be marked by severe constipation (or the cycling of the two).

STRATEGIES: for a fast resolution -
1) I tend to react positively to a very high level of L-glutamine (@60g/day) .  [Glutamine as a mildly sweet-tasting powder.  For these amounts, it is often used by bodybuilders and it is much less expensive than hfs brands.]

2) One site recommended a grain-soup dish with 1 tsp of soluble fibre.  I think such can be made BTD-compliant.  For me: that would be long-grain hulled (rice has a mid-brown hull) brown rice + 1tsp (to begin) of ARA-6  The IBS-site does not recommend any insoluble fiber be eaten for a few days, because such fiber works by irritating an already irritated colon.  [this bland diet is only for a few days, tops.]

I note that you say you have reaction, but never do put a name to it.  You seem set on eating much insoluble fiber .... might you have IBS (the constipating kind)?


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I had looked up the description/symptoms of IBS before but it didn't quite seem to fit me but I suppose its possible and if it is, I'm hoping that this BTD diet and supplements will eventually result in less dependence on rice bran (a combination of soluble and insoluble fiber) and magnesium to keep things moving. The ND who recommended the diet said that he expected so.  I get a headachy feeling and start sneezing. I have taken L Glutamine. As soon as the NAP supplents arrive I will be focusing on the Yeast/Fungus protocol and after that focus more on any residual GI inflammation. I hope this sequence is a good way to approach it. Some of the Y/F supplements have antiinflammatory properties as well. I also use mesquite leaves that I gather here in Arizona for GI inflammation. (also desert willow for the candida).
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As far as I know, my mix of Mexican American & Anglo ancestry includes no Native American blood but I guess I can't be 100% sure. I may try the Gold but I also may just cut out the flax altogether. Thanks for your input.
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...according to Ayerza & Coates' book, "Chia" (U of A Press 2005), "flax was not used as a food historically, probably due to it containing a number of factors that interfere with normal development of the body...mainly the presence  of toxic cyanoglycosides (limarin), a Vitamin B6 antagonist and other antinutritional factors including cyanogenic glycosides, trypsin inhibitors, phytic acid, allergens, and goitrogens. (p. 120 & 121)".

Clarification: I copied that from an email I got from a local herbalist but I decided to look in my abstract copy of their report and all it says is:
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Since oxidation in chia is minimal to non existent, it holds great potential within the food industry compared to other a-linolenic fatty acid sources such as flax, which exhibit rapid decomposition due to a lack of antioxidants. Flax also contains toxic cyanoglycosides and a Vitamin B6 antagonist compound.

My copy is an abstract so I hope my herbalist was being truthful about the rest.
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