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Dr D. writes in his book that flaxseeds are helpful for a strong immune system for type O and help lower the risk of cancer but according to Ayerza & Coates' book, "Chia" (U of A Press 2005), "flax was not used as a food historically, probably due to it containing a number of factors that interfere with normal development of the body...mainly the presence of toxic cyanoglycosides (limarin), a Vitamin B6 antagonist and other antinutritional factors including cyanogenic glycosides, trypsin inhibitors, phytic acid, allergens, and goitrogens. (p. 120 & 121)". It is also listed as a potential allergen for some people with nut allergies. I think i may have a slight allergy to it but I need it for elimination. (I tried the chia seeds and got a strong allergic reaction so I won't be taking that). any thoughts?
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so you have a reaction to flax also? |
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You have to realize, that the information in the book you are referencing is aimed at the whole population, and we are not all the same. Scientific research has shown that the digestive systems of the ABO Types are different from each other, especially in regard to the enzyme intestinal alkaline phosphotase (IAP). Scientists have known about these differences for over 40 years. You can read about that in the wiki Here, and in this blog entry by Dr. Tom Greenfield. Have you used flaxseed? And, if you do, how do you use it? Do you soak your seeds and then drink that mixture, or do you grind them and add them to smoothies or salads? If you are worried about taking flaxseed, how about switching to Dr. D's Larch? |
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Flaxseed is only neutral for type O non-secretors.
In the book “The Omega-3 Connection” by Andrew L. Stoll, M.D. it recommends not consuming more than 2 to 3 Tbsp. of flaxseed or flaxmeal per day because the seed husks contain naturally occurring cyanogenic nitrates and linamarin, which can be toxic in higher doses. The cyanogenic nitrates interfere with the thyroid gland’s ability to take up iodine and may lead to goiter or other thyroid problems. Immature seeds contain higher amounts of cyanogenic nitrates and glucosides and are more dangerous. Flaxseeds also contain lignans, which have mild estrogenic, antiestrogenic, and steroidlike activity. These problems are not present with flaxseed oil.
As a type O secretor I typically use one heaping tbsp of flaxseed, ground and soaked, before breakfast every day. |
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...according to Ayerza & Coates' book, "Chia" (U of A Press 2005), "flax was not used as a food historically...
Not sure how he got that conclusion, As it was used.... However if you limit the use to the word "Flax", maybe? But the etymology of the words 'Flax' and 'Line' are convolutingly linked with the word 'Linseed' which definitely was used as a food source and is also Flaxseed.
Which also refering to the 'toxic' compounds - there is a difference in the oil/seed powder from Gold Flax {not the modern hybrid} and the more common {Present day} Black Flax. |
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Thank you all for the helpful info. Yes, Have you used flaxseed? I soak the seeds and then drink that mixture. I just read in one of the blogs that gently heating it eliminates the toxic cyanoglycosides so I will have to try that. |
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| Wednesday, February 14, 2007, 5:54pm |
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I meant to say, yes, I have used flaxseed. |
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Pat, In case you didn't know you can edit/modify your posts for 72 hours after you post it, at least I think it is 72 hours. |
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http://www.fatsforhealth.com/library/libitems/flax.phphttp://www.flaxcouncil.ca/english/index.php?p=what1&mp=whathttp://www.askdrsears.com/html/4/T041700.aspIt appears that the authors of the chia book are mistaken about flax not being used historically as a food source. It is probably a good idea to follow the interest of the authors of any book or info snippet. The chia book people seem to have a pro-chia bias, and so would benefit from painting a competitive product in a bad light. One of the things I appreciate about Dr. D is that he does recognize that although certain foods are poisonous for some people, those same foods can be medicine for others. This way of thinking helps me to make a lot of sense out of the seemingly conflicting data on what foods are the 'right' ones to eat. Thank you, Dr. D'Adamo!  |
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| Wednesday, February 14, 2007, 9:17pm |
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I agree. We also have to remember that info on flax may have originated by people who may have a pro-flax bias and everyone else (excluding Dr. D of course) may repeat the info without including any negatives. So there may be a bit of truth on both ends. I seem to be allergic to both. |
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Seems that I can do flaxseeds soaked overnight but not freshly ground. Since they are only a neutral, I guess they are not totally essential for me anyway, huh? I feel too bloated when I use them unsoaked, but not when I soak them in water overnight. Have heard the cooking them is better as well, not sure about it.
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| Wednesday, February 14, 2007, 10:12pm |
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there's another thread that includes a discussion on heating flax |
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Oh dear. I sure hope I didn't give the impression that I think Dr. D may have regurgitated the info on flax. On the contrary. I was talking about other authors. Here is some info I copied off a website In case it is true, it might be helpful:
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Using an excess of flax seed can contribute to the back up in your colon. Flax seeds also have small traces of prussic acid, which is toxic in large amounts. But it would take a lot of flax seeds to reach the toxic level. Allergies to flax are very rare, but it is always best to be cautious. When starting to eat flax, as with any new food product, start with a small amount. If you have a history of allergies, we recommend 1/4th teaspoon or less per day for the first week. If no adverse effects are noted, gradually work up to the recommended amount of flax, which is 2 to 4 tablespoons per day. Health experts recommend an intake of 2 to 4 tablespoons per day. Please note, however, that flaxseed is high in fiber—you should generally start with about 1/2 to 1 tsp per day, and gradually add more until you reach the recommended amount. Give yourself about a month to get to the recommended amount per day. When adding fiber to one's diet, it is important to drink an adequate amount of fluid—about eight glasses of water per day.
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tell us all you know on chia, pls!  |
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I found the articles online and printed them long ago. (My herbalist also says chia is far superior to flax -if you aren't allergic to nuts and seeds):
"Chia Seeds' by Bioresources Research Facility of the Univ. Of Arizona
"Chia Introduction" -Southwest Center for Natural Products Research & Commercialization Office of Arid land Studies, the University of Arizona 2001.
"The Secret of Chia" (The book?): An interview with James Scheer by Richard Passwater, PhD
If you can't find any info online using those titles etc. let me know and I can try to summarize. |
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thanks!!
great source of omega 3 I believe.
I add a tablespoon to my salads everyday! |
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PS Ayerza & Coates are the authors of -"Chia Seeds" from the Southwest Center for Natural Products Research & Commercialization Office of Arid land Studies, at the University of Arizona 2001. They are the ones ones that I quoted when I started this thread in case that has any relevancy.
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great info Pat, omega-3 ALA is a very important fat especially for primates (D. Rudin). When he wrote the book, he said that sea plants (phytoplankton) have ALA in large amounts. Until very recently we could not concentrate this enough for food. But newer technology has made phytoplankton as a food-supplement extraordinaire http://www.marinecure.com ! John |
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So much good stuff comes from the ocean it seems. I don't know if this will give the laxative effect I need but I'll look into it more. Or I may just have to stick with rice bran. |
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...from the Southwest Center for Natural Products Research & Commercialization Office of Arid land Studies, at the University of Arizona 2001...
It could be that for the health issues stated would be to Native American BTs?.. As Chia would have been more of a 'native food'...along with the Rice Grass. There are were plants related to Flax in Americas - However the modern Flax would be an import.
I question the validity of cooking being of any help in breaking down/detoxifying the 'cyanoglycosides'. And realistically this compound, of itself, is not the issue. Its the enzymatic reaction {Beta-Glucosidase} of our intestinal microflora that may release the Cyanide, and other factors (Benzene) that cause the problems. http://www.navi.net/~rsc/krebs3.htm
'Limarin' is the active ingredient {Silymarin} in Blessed Milk Thistle. {Silybum marianum - Asteraceae , subf: Lactucoideae, Tribe: Cardueae} |
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Update: to see if I get the same reaction, I tried the recommendation to start slowly. So as usual I soaked my flax and chia and separately took about a quarter of a tsp. of each with the the rice bran I take for elimination. Since I may also have a slight reaction to the rice bran, any reaction I might have had was not as noticeable. (Next I will take the rice and seeds separately to see which one or both is giving me the slight reaction). |
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Do you know if the Gold flax considered to better or more tolerable than the black one? |
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both are fine...... |
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