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k1204
Sunday, February 11, 2007, 3:29am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Hi Everyone!
                Have been doing pretty well with the diet (except this weekend ), but have noticed something rather curious. My pain level in the joints and muscles has increased this week. I just found out I am a non-secretor, so cut out all wheat, sugar, my beloved black tea, etc. I have now gained 2 pounds  , and hurt EVERYWHERE. Any thoughts??????? Am I going through detox? I have been taking Larch, greens, etc. from NAP. I just don't know what is going on...
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I know what you mean about missing black tea but there are many varieties of green and white tea to make up for it.  The Amish make a great spelt noodle so you just have to get used to substitutions.  

It could be withdrawal, it could be the weather or you might have caught something.  I’m currently going through cigarette withdrawal and when I got a cold it was worse than I’ve had in years.  But on the flip side diet wise, when I go off the BTD I know it.

I’d load up on the herbs and vitamins that are known to aid in the fight against your symptoms.  Plus drink lots of green tea; besides it’s known heath benefits, it has a calming effect which helps get you through the withdrawal stage.


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k1204, have you had your allergies and vega testing done by a naturopath?  I found this incredibley helpful to stop eating things that my body was sensitive to and were causing inflammation, and also to find out what nutrients my body was deficient in...might help you learn how to focus your efforts more effectively?


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What allergy testing did you use?  What is vega testing?
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try deflect, too.
detox is painful, yes!


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Vega testing is here I am in my element .... a form similar to bioresonance; your skin becomes tested in homeopathic dosages with what kind of stuff your body goes into resonance, no
bloody works, just a bit a feeling of  pressure in your hand
and here you can detect all kinds of allergies, needs, lacks etc; because it is a computerized machine
which can't be manipulated...because it shows up what is to be seen in your system.

I'd like to ask you to augment the intake of magnseium, calcium, all those stuffs should be augmented for  a while, than I think your pain will be gone; might be detox and might be when the matrix turns away from the too sour being to more alcaline basic.... good luck

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Quoted from Tina
What allergy testing did you use?  What is vega testing?


Yeah, what Isa said.    It is a type of testing done my Naturopathic Physicians...it is relatively inexpensive and yields a LOT of great information.  Well worth it for me, might be for you too?


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My pain level in the joints and muscles has increased this week...  I hurt EVERYWHERE. Any thoughts??????? Am I going through detox?...

I have been detoxing from many years of allergies and eating avoids!  It can be very painful as the body removes toxins and heals, especially if there is a need for nutrients.  I have used a Contact Reflex Analyst to determine proper nutrient needs and this has been very significant in reducing the pain to tolerable levels...



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k1204
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  I had kinetic allergy testing many years ago, but don't really remember what things I was supposedly allergic to. I seem to remember I did supplements then and the Naturopathic Dr. said I could tolerate the items then. Does that make sense?
 I have ordered a Calcium-Magnesium supplement as well as several other supplements listed in Dr. D's book on fatigue. I am still waiting for them to come in.
 What is a Contact Reflex Analyst?
 I am not sure there are any Naturopathic Dr.s in the area now. I will have to look in the phone book. In the meantime, is there anything else that can help to cut the pain down to a manageable level? I have tried Deflect but have run out. I did a walk with my dog today and thought I was going to pass out from the pain. I usually tolerate the walks very well, but the cold has been rather extreme lately so haven't been able to walk like we usually do.
 I am working on enjoying green tea. It doesn't get very strong does it? I have found one with ginseng I enjoy, and one with blueberry as well.
 One other thought, I tested positive for candida with the spit test. Would cutting out the sugar cause that little problem to increase the pain? I remember my Dr. said quite a while ago that I should cut out all sugar. When I did (I didn't eat much anyway) I had similar symptoms.
 Thank you for all of the suggestions!!!
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Maybe it would help us give you ideas if we have a better idea of what a day's list of foods looks like for you.  It might show up some points that could be contributing to your pain and/or candida.



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http://www.dadamo.com/registry/csvread.pl?ID=A-591

try this one

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Breakfast - 8 oz. pineapple juice, 1/2 c plain yogurt, 3-4 frozen strawberries, 1/2 banana, 1 Tb lecithin, 1 Tb flaxseed oil, Harmonia, Ara 6, Proberry - all mixed together in a smoothie.

Lunch - usually tuna or mozzarella cheese with chopped vegies (peppers, celery, carrots), sometimes Ezekiel bread but not always, olive oil, sometimes onions, usually a piece of fruit - apple, pear, or orange.

Supper - some kind of meat or fish, hot vegetable, chopped cold vegies, sometimes brown rice or sweet potato. If I have potato I will have a little ghee or whipped butter.

For snacks I will have a Unibar, a glass of milk, or a piece of fruit. I usually have a handful of walnuts or almonds daily. I also drink green tea, lots of water and Roma (a coffee substitute made with roasted barley and chicory).

 I just invested in a treadmill so that I can walk everyday 9the weather here has been -0 wind chill on several days so I have missed several walks . I did manage to go on a trail with my dog and found that afterwards my knee was a little better (though I was terrible on the hike). I believe that my joints start to freeze up without my usual activity and perhaps that is contributing to the pain. I'll know much better as I use the treadmill daily.

 Thank you for that phone number. I think that Dr. is in Bangor ( I had checked that website). That is almost 3 hours from here but if worse comes to worse I may check him out.

 Thanks again for all of your hints!
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Have you looked at: The D'Adamo Health Protocols to see if they would help you with your pain?

I also think that type Bs should supplement with magnesium every day, which should help with at least the muscle pain.


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 I am waiting for a calcium magnesium product to arrive. I expect it today (in a blizzard ). I have the book on Fatigue and have ordered several of those supplements that are recommended - also expected today.

Thank you for the link - I did not know that site was there.

 By the way, I also take Dr. D's Cortiguard but I noticed that it is made with Ascorbic Acid (175 mg). it is supposed to be fine for all blood types but I thought that someone said Ascorbic Acid is made from corn. Does it not matter because of the way it is processed????

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 I am waiting for a calcium magnesium product to arrive.

As a type B you may not need the calcium.



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Will it hurt?
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Dr. D has stated that type Bs easily absorb calcium. Therefore, you need extra magnesium to balance the calcium. If you take more calcium then you may need to take even more magnesium.


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Thanks! The supplement I take is actually in powder form and is supposed to be calcium/magnesium balanced (per my chiropractor). I am supposed to take it at night just before bedtime. It is called "Calm". I do not take any calcium in pill form.
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Thanks! The supplement I take is actually in powder form and is supposed to be calcium/magnesium balanced (per my chiropractor).

"Balanced" for what blood type?



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I take calcium magnesium @ 1000 mg. Ca/600 to 700 mg Mag.

k1204, I was looking over your sample day's eating.  I notice a lot of neutrals, and I think it's important (and especially for us nonnies) to get as many beneficials as possible.  Yes, neutrals are fine, but they are for variety and to round out our nutrients.  

A couple of your fruits such as strawberries and oranges, would cause me a lot of joint pain because of the acid.  I stick with blueberries, cherries and raspberries, and fill in with bananas, apples and pears.

You don't get much protein for breakfast.  I also eat a smoothie for breakfast, so I really understand how good that feels to a B nonnie tummy.  Maybe you could increase the yogurt and add freshly ground flax to your mix.  If you digest it well, nutritional yeast is also a good protein source and rich in B vitamins.

Foods like sugar and wheat are very acid forming.  If you have recently cut them out, it is understandable that you could be having a cleansing reaction.  Systemic acidity is one of the contributors to joint pain.

As a nonnie, we don't have room for avoids, don't handle them well, and really need beneficials.
We also need more meat/fish than secretors, and less grains.



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Victoria is totally right.  Carbs are very nasty for nonnies.
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k1204
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Ooops! Just got my "Calm" and it is only a magnesium supplement (615 mg). The ingredients are Magnesium Citrate, Stevia and Natural Orange Flavor. That should be OK, right?

 How much yogurt do you think that I should put in the smoothie? Would it be better if I added a hard boiled egg on the side? Breakfast is a tough meal for me, I feel terrible without it but don't seem to be able to tolerate anything too heavy. Haven't tried the nutritional yeast yet. Would it be a problem if I have Candida? (not absolutely sure I have it - only did the spit test).

 May I ask what a typical day should look like menu-wise for a B nonnie? I thought I was doing OK, but obviously there is room for improvement. I did eat lamb tonight...

 Are there too many carbs in my day?

 Thanks again for all of the advice!!
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should not be a problem with nut yeast and candida....
yeast species in brewers yeast kill Candida, supposedly.


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I've been using the Calm on and off for about a year.  If you start out with more than a Tsp. a day, you might get awful runs.  Everytime I start out I have to do 1/2 tsp and build up.  I think it says that on the container.  Also you are supposed to mix it in warm water and drink like a tea.  It does in deed calm and relax so it's best to take before bed or at a stressful time.  Sometimes if i can't sleep at night, I'll get up and mix up a little cup and soon i'm off to dreamland again....

Also I've been in detox for a couple of months now and experiencing horrid pain in my joints, feet and just awful fatigue.  I have one or two days of sanity and then the pain is back.  or i'll start out good and halfway thru the day suffer horribly.  I do have fibromyalgia and it has really flared since i am detoxing.  I'm working hand in hand with my naturalpath to try and find the answers that will work for 'me' as it seems every doc. has a theroy and a healing regime for fibromyalgia.  I'm going to have an MRI on my mid back and an xray on my thumb joints soon and hope to see what's going on.  I may just have extensive trigger points throughout my body that need work.

Like others have said, this detox time is about detoxing from years and years of bad habits.  Each time I eat an avoid now, my symptoms flare up worse than they ever did before... so i'm being forced to really want to be as compliant as i can.  

One of the other symptoms of fibromyalgia is the inabilty to experinece deep rem sleep.  For that I have found that the valerine is working wonderfully right now.  I take 3 tablets called Musclease at night which has valerine and magnesium in it.  you might try that one as well.  
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 How much yogurt do you think that I should put in the smoothie? Would it be better if I added a hard boiled egg on the side? Breakfast is a tough meal for me, I feel terrible without it but don't seem to be able to tolerate anything too heavy. Haven't tried the nutritional yeast yet. Would it be a problem if I have Candida? (not absolutely sure I have it - only did the spit test).

 May I ask what a typical day should look like menu-wise for a B nonnie? I thought I was doing OK, but obviously there is room for improvement. I did eat lamb tonight...

 Are there too many carbs in my day?

 Thanks again for all of the advice!!


I didn't mean to give the impression that you aren't doing ok.  You're doing very well, actually!    I'm just always looking for ways to tweak the system to work out the "bugs".  As a non-secretor, it's even more important for us, than for secretors, to be careful in our food choices.  Generally we don't handle avoids very well at all, and they can cause us persistent discomfort.  And beneficials are such great tonics for us, just shifting that balance can sometimes be the missing piece to "bring it all together".

That's a good idea about the egg in the morning, and actually, it would be fine to blend it in your smoothie!  Some people use a raw egg, but I think soft cooked suits me better.  I like even my boiled eggs to have soft yolks and firm whites.  You can throw it right in the blender for great protein.  I suggested extra yogurt to give you more protein, but you won't need it with an egg.  
Another great protein idea for B's is Whey protein powder in that smoothie.

I think a typical day might be different for all of us B's.  I personally don't eat many grains, just one or two toasted rice cakes.  Otherwise my carbs come from fruits and vegetables.  That won't be true of all B nonnies.  But if you continue to have discomfort, you could try going grain free and see how it does for you.



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