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dalep
Monday, February 12, 2007, 5:31pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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doc, how long  did it take for you to go off the tums and was it cold turkey or gradual.  Is protonix the same as nexium, an acid reducer. Do you expect do ygo off the protonix soon. Does the protonix conflict with your diet eg. your A diet is designed to increase your stomach acid and the protonix I assume eliminates the gas. Seems like a conflict.
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Oops sorry, I posted that twice. I also just realized you are type O doc.
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Speaking from experience I've come to realize that corn products are the worst for stomach acid and type A's. The problem is corn products first and foremost are poisons to A's and secondly almost indigestible .  I will elaborate furthur in a new thread shortly. For now, here is a shortened version.

20 percent of anything you put in your body is absorbed through the stomach lining and 80 percent through the intestines. So when you ingest a poison your body will naturally try to keep it out of you blood stream by pushing it off to the side of your stomach and wrapping it in mucus. However it is not completely wrapped as it is resting on the surface area of your stomach lining so you still have small amount of absorption into the blood stream. This will not only irritate you but also make you sluggish because like Dr. D'adamo says in the book these foods lower the good acidity of your muscles and the stomach is part of a major muscle group.

This muscle group is known as the digestive system and requires copious amounts of blood flow to function when in full tilt. So if your sending an abundant amount of blood to the digestive system them you cannot disperse it evenly to the rest of your muscles. Think of it like doing leg extensions. When you perform leg extensions you are stressing the quadricep so your body reacts by upping the blood flow to that muscle because it needs nutrients to continue this increased output and nutrients travel in fat cells in your blood.

Now because you still have certain amount of poison in contact with your stomach lining your body is constantly being told that A) There is something in my stomach. So please produce some stomach acid so that when it empties the proper chemical process can take place in the small and large intestine. B) There is a poison in my stomach so please resilient body of mine produce an abundant amount of stomach acid to try and neutralize this poison. It's a catch 22 in a sense but your body is basically using a bend don't break approach.

This is why when one ingests a truly toxic chemical like an industrial chemical they pump your stomach and the time table is much smaller because a toxic chemical is like a poisonous food times 1000 and causes nutrient wasting at a much higher rate. Once all of your nutrients that are being sent to the digestive system to keep your stomach from emptying are depleted then the toxin hits your small intestine where 80 percent absorption takes place and you die.

So back to the food issue here. You need to get this disagrreeable food to leave your stomach. This can be accomplished by fasting because when you starve your body of protein for an extended period of time it starts to look around the digest system for a supply, taking a strong antimucosal such as Bronchaid because this will assist in thinning the mucous layer around the said disagrreeable food in your stomach, and a very steady flow of a good digestive enzyme  formula to assist in the breakdown of said food.

The reason Bronchaid is recommended is because it contains ephadrine an amphetamine that will energize throughout the fast and unlike other stimulants aids carbohydrate stores in the muscles (remember your stomach is a muscle) rather than muscle wasting like i.e. burning muscle stores like say cocaine would do. Aspirin will assist in getting the Bronchaid into your bloodstream but take ibuprofen with the aspirin to retain blood clotting should an accident occur. for more info google ECA stack. I'm no doctor but these are conclusions I've drawn from my own personal experiences after obtaining ER4FYT. If you are not in good health then you probaby shouldn't try such an extreme approach. Hell of a first post and there are many more eye openers on the way. Stay tuned!!!

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Welcome to the forum Attila the Ghost,

Please stop by your member center and pick an appropriate BTD avatar shield.  Your member center link is at the top right of the page.  Click on that link and scroll down the left side links bar, until you see the Avatar link.

I modified your post so that it would be easier to read by our members.  I just purused your post; I did not study it in depth.  

I must mention, though, that study after study has shown (over the last 40 years) that the digestive systems of the different blood types have (as part of their genetic heritage) different levels of an enzyme called intestinal alkaline phosphotase (IAP).  This enzyme is critical in the digestion of fats, and, the trigger that turns it on is the presence of protein.  Type O's produce the most IAP, while Type A's produce the least.  The presence of an avoid food will not

Regarding our immune system. Our immune system functions by identifying foods that appear to be "self" or "non-self," and it's quite abundant in our digestive system.    When William Boyd discovered that plants were blood type specific for agglutinating erythrocytes, he named these plant substances lectins.

Imho a "poison" would be treated by the immune system, in much the same way that the body treats and recognizes lectins: as either "self" or "non-self."


Knowledge is power.  SWAMI gives you the diet that will unlock the key to better health, and it's all based on your unique individuality.

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yes protein is crucial to the digestion of fats but I am naming corn products as the main culprit of the excessive stomach acid and corn is not to my knowledge a fatty food. if your referring to the fasting process through my experience that there is a fair amount of residual undigested protein in the digestive system due to the fact that we as a modern people tend to cook our food changing the protein from readily digestible to much more difficult to digest. and thanks for putting my previous post in paragraph form as I tend to ramble.
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don t forget you are after all a non secretor!


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yes protein is crucial to the digestion of fats but I am naming corn products as the main culprit of the excessive stomach acid and corn is not to my knowledge a fatty food. if your referring to the fasting process through my experience that there is a fair amount of residual undigested protein in the digestive system due to the fact that we as a modern people tend to cook our food changing the protein from readily digestible to much more difficult to digest. and thanks for putting my previous post in paragraph form as I tend to ramble.


I'm not refering to a fasting process.  What I'm trying to tell you is, the different types have different diets, not just because of lectin specificity, but because we inherintly have vastly different digestive systems.  So, to make blanket statements about the digestive process, directed at all individuals, imho, is not accurate.

And, like Lola points out, you being an A nonnie, corn becomes an avoid.  So, if you've had a diet in the past of corn, it's not surprising that it's a problem food for you.


Knowledge is power.  SWAMI gives you the diet that will unlock the key to better health, and it's all based on your unique individuality.

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Attila the ghost, you say that corn is not good for type A  but ERFYT says neutral. Can you explain.

Also I am thinking part of my problem that I was blaming on Acid Reflux  may be an allergy. When I eat potato or grapes I feel it in my throat but not my stomach.  It feels like something is pushing on my throat. Does this make sense. Is there a common element in both.potato and grapes

Is it o'k to combine rice and chicken
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Is it o'k to combine rice and chicken

Not according to a food combing rule, which is to not eat protein and starch together because it may cause digestion problems.



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It is real difficult not do mix protein and starch. Can you tell me what vegatables don't contain protein or starch from this group

eg.  brocolli, cauliflour, green beans, green peas,soy beans,carrots, lettuce, cucumber,onions,mushrooms,
apples, strawberries, blueberries, blackberries,cherries, apricots, grapes, plums, dates,raisins, kiwi, watermelon
soy drink, soy nut butter, soy ice cream, tofu
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The main thing is try not to eat grains with animal protein.

You can look any food up in NutritionData.com and get detailed protein and starch content.

No fruit or vegetable, at least that I can think of, is going to be high enough in protein be an issue. Some vegetables may have a significant amount of starch.


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dalep,

My Tums consumption gradually stopped as I dropped wheat from my diet.  That seems to be the main offender.  I started BTD in hopes of stopping the Protonix, controlling my blood pressure and blood sugar, and getting the metabolic syndrome under control.  So far, I am still taking the Protonix.  It's been so long since I haven't taken some form of acid blockers that I think I'm a little hesitant to take the step.  One of these days.

Ken
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dalep,

My Tums consumption gradually stopped as I dropped wheat from my diet.  That seems to be the main offender.  I started BTD in hopes of stopping the Protonix, controlling my blood pressure and blood sugar, and getting the metabolic syndrome under control.  So far, I am still taking the Protonix.  It's been so long since I haven't taken some form of acid blockers that I think I'm a little hesitant to take the step.  One of these days.

Ken


Hi doc,

If you've had these health challenges for some time, I'd seriously consider getting your secretor status tested. That could be the key that finally unlocks your problem, and gets you off the meds, eventually.


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I am going to my family doctor tomorrow to talk to him about being tested.
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dalep, atilla is an A non secretor, for whom corn is an avoid.

for you it is neutral, unless you had a noticeable reaction to it.

remember individuality plays a role here, and we need to find what best suits our needs and goals.


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Modon, thanks for the link
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dalep,
Secretor status is tested via saliva, so if your doc doesn't do it, you can get tested through the NAP link at the top of the page.



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Thanks  Victoria

Modon the link gives me the protein but not the starches that I can see anyway.
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Thanks  Victoria

Modon the link gives me the protein but not the starches that I can see anyway.

Starch is listed at the bottom of the page in the very detailed nutrients table in the carb section.


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Thanks Modon. Potato boiled and white rice is listed as no starch. Is it starch or carbohydrates that matter when you combine with protein or other meat.
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I would say it is starch which shouldn't t be combined with protein, if there s digestive trouble.

strange that potato and white rice doesn t have starch!! even if boiled.....


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absolutely!


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How are the potatoes  prepared  any oils seasonings other ingredients? Why are you eating them when they are classed as an avoid?  Can't figure out the grapes. Grapes possess strong antibacterial properties so maybe your reaction is due bacterial die off.  Grapes are one of the fruits that receive the most pesticides so wash thoroughly.  

Back to corn issue.   I love Dadamos book but it does contain some contradictions. Corn products are nuetral for A's but corn oil is avoid. Once again from personal trials I have come to find that an avoid with a secretory insuffiency,INTERFERES WITH CARDIOVASCULAR ACTIVITY label are the most dangerous and the most difficult to expell from the body. Me being an A Nonnie if I eat corn tortillas with chicken and blk beans my body will not separate the just the corn tortillas but will keep a good percentage of the chicken and beans with it in my stomach. Applying this thinking to say cornmeal or corn starch or syrup there are small amounts of corn oil in them would cause your body to also hold them back in the stomach and possibly later in the colon. Refer back to my earlier post where I talk about your stomach pushing avoids off to the side and wrapping them in mucus to keep them out of the blood stream. Well when you put an avoid with secretory insuffiency,INTERFERES WITH CARDIOVASCULAR ACTIVITY in your stomach it acts on the fly with utmost of priority to first keep that food out of the small intestine so if that means whisking it away without fully separating the nutrients then so be it. This my friends is why all corn products are bad for all type A's. apply this thinking throughout the foodlists and you will increase your way of life.  I speak from first hand experience on this subject please think deeply about what I've posted here.
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