Quoted from lola

Scandinavian?

why shouldn t he read something I consider important, and I wanted to share it with him.

besides, you are not so far appart........

Sorry  
- I had just spent half a day explaining americans ( on another board ) that Denmark is NOT the capital in Sweden......

.........hope they understood!!

I´m not sure

Hi.

Thanks for the links and advice Kimono, Peppermint, Ali and Lola.
  No, you are right Lola, we are not so far apart, the Swedes and the Danes. In geographical distance. It’s just in our minds we can be so different and far apart. Like seperate worlds sometimes. It might be a bit odd for most people not living in Europe to understand I guess. It is also very silly. Here everything can be so small, you wouldn't believe it. But I think this link can be of good use anyway.
  Remember that the Swedes own and directs almost all of our dairy industry now Henriette!  So I believe they are allowed a say on how we consumes it? The "Arla" company has bought everything. Scary…  

Yes, you are all right, it can be a bit overwhelming. Phew. I get all absorbed in this, and I have been neglecting so much else in my life lately. But, it shouldn't consume so much  brainpower to exchange a few things in my daily diet. I guess?  
  But Its all these Forums and all this stuff here that consumes my time and all. Its so exciting. I must take a little break now and slow down on it. I have been searching the net for a week or so for a good place to find answers to some of my initial questions, but now I think I have found out where all you other BT dudes were hiding... that is a good first step for me.

I havn’t been able to find answers to questions about Pasta here. That’s some of the things I was currious about in the first place. Things like:

Why is Pasta Beneficial, when most Pasta is made from 100% durum wheat, which is an Neutral food?

And why is green Pasta (with spinach) an Avoid, when both pasta and spinach is Beneficial?

And why is durum wheat bread an Avoid food, when durum wheat flour is Neutral ?


(remember I am an A)


Lasse
Scandinavia, Earth

All durum wheat product are neutral, avoid the whole durum wheat flour and products. see the typebase.
Laugh for me please I am Italian and I must not eat common bread, pasta and pizza !

Maria Giovanna

Quoted from Lasse

And why is durum wheat bread an Avoid food, when durum wheat flour is Neutral ?

I think it is related to the fact that many commercial wheat products found in conventional grocery stores contain avoids such as a gums, preservatives, or fillers.  If you were to make your own bread or baked goods with durum wheat this would be fine (this information is relevant to 'A' secretors).  'A' non-secretors are not encouraged to eat wheat nor corn.

It is always a safe measure to read food ingredient labels to ensure there are no avoids.

Alia

Quoted from Lasse

Why is Pasta Beneficial, when most Pasta is made from 100% durum wheat, which is an Neutral food?

And why is green Pasta (with spinach) an Avoid, when both pasta and spinach is Beneficial?

And why is durum wheat bread an Avoid food, when durum wheat flour is Neutral ?

First and most important, I think you are referencing the food values from the original ER4YT book. Some of those values have changed and some of the way food is listed has changed. I suggest you get the newer book LR4YT or use typebase for food values. I think that will clarify your questions.

Pasta was not beneficial in ER4YT, "Pasta, Artichoke" was, which was supposed to be pasta made purely from artichoke, versus spinach pasta, which is just spinach flavored wheat pasta.

Are you using the term durum wheat bread instead of whole wheat bread? Whole wheat is worse for all blood types because it has a higher lectin content the white wheat.

The thing with Durum


Hi folks.

Quoted from ironwood55

Pasta was not beneficial in ER4YT, "Pasta, Artichoke" was, which was supposed to be pasta made purely from artichoke, versus spinach pasta, which is just spinach flavored wheat pasta.

Are you using the term durum wheat bread instead of whole wheat bread? Whole wheat is worse for all blood types because it has a higher lectin content the white wheat.

Both DW bread and WW bread is listed as avoids. DW flour is still listed as a Neutral, making it odd that DW bread is an avoid.
  Alia might be right on the preservatives and stuff, but I don't believe that explains its avoid listing in the book. I could be making my own DW bread, and would it still be an avoid? It can't be. It must be Neutral. Its just confusing.

You are absolutely right. Pasta never was a Beneficial, its not even listed! So I must conclude that ordinary cheap Pasta from the supermarket made of DW flour, is a Neutral, just as its ingredient.
  It is still confusing, that Pasta with spinach is an avoid, when ordinary Pasta must be neutral and spinach (although not much is added) is a beneficial. Green spinach flavoured Pasta, must at least be a Neutral. It must be a misprinting? I haven't checked the errata listings thoughly enough I must admit.
  Thanks for the info on Artichoke Pasta, I had no clue to what it was, thought it just might be flavoured with artichoke.


PS.
I have written this without regards to secretor status. I haven't tested my self for that  yet and thereforee I regard myself as an ASec, according to Dadamoa suggestions. It also helps keeping listings a bit more simple. We don't want to drown in the details. They are what they are and thats details.




I am thankful for your educated replies...
Lasse

Quoted from Maria_Giovanna

All durum wheat product are neutral, avoid the whole durum wheat flour and products. see the typebase.

Oh, Maria, I believe you said it all. I am sorry.

But it just strengthens my point on Durum Wheat Bread and Pasta with Spinach, both must be Neutrals and not avoids.

Am I right?

spinach pasta or beet pasta, if made with durum are fine for you, just always check ingredients.

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It also helps keeping listings a bit more simple. We don't want to drown in the details.

Typebase4 is the most up to date for food listings.  It doesn't matter at this point why a food was classified as it was in the past.  Further refinement of the categories and/or new information or Dr. D's own testing has moved the food to a new cateogory.  Further expansion of the BTD theory as outlined in Live Right includes secretor status, as well as lifestyle strategies for stress and ideal exercise for the different types.

If you are dealing with any health issues at all, knowing your secretor status can make the difference from noticing some change in your health to actually healing it.  I personally think knowing your secretor status for Type A's is very important because more foods change value from secretor to nonnie than any other Type. 26+ foods change.

Jmho, of course.

the 'pasta artichoke' you mention is not made from artichokes, per se,

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"Pasta, Artichoke" was, which was supposed to be pasta made purely from artichoke

, but from 'Jerusalem artichokes', or sun chokes which are similar to potatoes, if memory serves me right.

http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?34


http://www.naturalways.com/Jerusalem-Artichoke-Flour.htm

also being an A and knowing your subtype, besides secretor status, can help a great deal.

subtypes MM in A
http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/subtype/subtype5.htm

Quoted from Lasse

...Yes, you are all right, it can be a bit overwhelming. Phew. I get all absorbed in this, and I have been neglecting so much else in my life lately. But, it shouldn't consume so much  brainpower to exchange a few things in my daily diet. I guess?  
  But Its all these Forums and all this stuff here that consumes my time and all. Its so exciting. I must take a little break now and slow down on it. I have been searching the net for a week or so for a good place to find answers to some of my initial questions, but now I think I have found out where all you other BT dudes were hiding... that is a good first step for me.

I know right where you're coming from! When I started BTD nearly a year ago, I was too sickly to work, and had been for well over a year. I owned the first  book, borrowed LR4YT and the cookbook from the local library, and sat here in front of the computer, reading, reading, reading, laughing, learning, till my a** was sore and my eyeballs dried out! Started feeling much better less than 48 hours after starting BTD (I went 95% compliant right away), and 6 (count 'm, six!) weeks later was well enough to go back to a full work week.
After that, finding out my secretor status put the icing on the cake, health-wise.
But I read for many hours a day, every day for six weeks, and now get withdrawal symptoms if I'm away from the forums for more than a couple days.
It does feel overwhelming at first, but in a joyful, optimistic way. You absorb so much! You begin to feel more confident going to the grocery store and in restaurants....
This is a wonderful place That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it,

and it can be considered a 'safe addiction'!!!  lol

to Lola

The food didn't change, the research improved. One of the seniors will correct me if I'm wrong.

Quoted from Lasse

Yes as said and explained, I wrote from what ER4YT said. Another of many questions of mine, was why some foods changed status in LR4YT? Ezekiel bread dropped from Beneficial to Neutral (both types), Fennel upgraded from Neutral to Beneficial (for secretors), just to state some differences. How can this happen? Did the lectine-like molecules dissapear all of a sudden? Was the biochemestry changed, was it misprintings in ER4YT? What?
  When I read the foundation on the categorization of food subjects, its way of discriminating seemed pretty clear cut and progressive. Progressive in a way, which couldn't possibly upgrade or downgrade a food. Only if other aspects than those discussed and explained in the books were taken into account also. Is that the  reason perhaps?
  Should I always trust the newst versions of a foods categorization?  

I do not want to sound dull and destructive at all, I hope you guys know this, but in order to educated myself and understand more, I have to be positively critical. Otherwise I wont make any progress. So this question is for those who endorse this aspect of the Blood Type Diet discussion.



Lasse
A(Sec let's say)

Not being a scientist I do not even try to understand the testing or the status of foods as reported by Peter Dadamo. You might almost say that it is an article of faith for me that he is a genuine scientist and is working towards the betterment of humankind in this blood business. So if foods change status, I just assume that tests are getting more accurate, technology is developing all the time, and mistakes are being addressed. The only alternative would be for me to enter a new career of naturopathy/food science which is not my choice at the moment.
But a great back up for me has been that my body is a laboratory in itself, and I can watch the effects of eating food for my type, or food not for my type.
It's great to ask questions and to get answers, but they will not always be the ones one expected!
Cheers,
Jenny

Lasse, the reason for food value changes is basically because ERFYT did not introduce the non secretor issue yet.........the publishers decided the 'public' would not be 'ready' for so much information.

and in a way, they were right.

so LRFYT comes along and gives the big announcement........the fact that almost 20% of the world population are non secretors!!!!  it was quite an eye opener!!

and all who had already read ERFYT were very much prepared for more health breaking news!

hope you will also enjoy learning about this incredible lifestyle!
giving you the tools to lead a healthy life!
and now that we all 'master' the food lists, Dr D comes out with the health series!!!!

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Dr. D.:
the cancer book just does a more up-to-date
take on things,  with the disease focus.
Earlier books did it as best as could be done
at the time.

GTD is on its way!!!!

Quoted from MoDon... I think you are referencing the food values from the original ER4YT book. Some of those values have changed and some of the way food is listed has changed. I suggest you get the newer book LR4YT or use typebase for food values. I think that will clarify your questions.


Yes as said and explained, I wrote from what ER4YT said. Another of many questions of mine, was why some foods changed status in LR4YT? Ezekiel bread dropped from Beneficial to Neutral (both types), Fennel upgraded from Neutral to Beneficial (for secretors), just to state some differences. How can this happen? Did the lectine-like molecules dissapear all of a sudden? Was the biochemestry changed, was it misprintings in ER4YT? What?
 When I read the foundation on the categorization of food subjects, its way of discriminating seemed pretty clear cut and progressive. Progressive in a way, which couldn't possibly upgrade or downgrade a food. Only if other aspects than those discussed and explained in the books were taken into account also. Is that the  reason perhaps?
 Should I always trust the newst versions of a foods categorization?  

I do not want to sound dull and destructive at all, I hope you guys know this, but in order to educated myself and understand more, I have to be positively critical. Otherwise I wont make any progress. So this question is for those who endorse this aspect of the Blood Type Diet discussion.



Lasse
A(Sec let's say)

Oooops!

I deleted my own posting on differences between ER4YT and LR4YT. Originally because I had 1 posted question already. The Durum Thing. And its not healthy having too many questions running in one thread. But some of you already replied on that note, so now its here again....

And besides I believe I can answer my own question. At least I need to check the errata listings first.
   Maybe I was being a bit grumpy? Well I am originally educated as a scientist myself, so I have a mean tencency to "go for the throat" when it comes to science.

Lasse,
next step you should take is read the LRFYT book.
things will fall into place then.......
you will understand the tiers concept which is also another way of categorizing food status.

read a bit on this issue to understand the concept better:

Tier system is explained at:
http://www.dadamo.com/errata/smartfaq.cgi?answer=1075124989

Reply to Jenna:

hehe...no not always what one expects. That's the magic, isn't it? Well said.
   And yes what you  say about yourself also applies to me: Unless I intend to become a naturopath or a physician myself, I would have to have either faith or not in the scientists working here. A good lesson that even in hard science, we have to believe in the good and constructive in other people. It's an all pervasive thing. I am glad you reminded me.  


last post from me...(yawning and stretching)

you are welcome!