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Stephanie_Jackson
Thursday, January 18, 2007, 12:04am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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So if we Os are eating lots of meat and veggies, and many of us no grains, how different is this from the Atkins's Diet?  How is this good for us when Atkins is bad?  I don't know much about Atkins - always thought it was bogus - but the only difference I can think of is that it allows pork and BTD lets us eat sweet potatoes?

Just a curious thought that struck me this AM.
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wrong!

Atkins advocates lots more in terms of saturated fats!

cream, and cheese and bacon ......eeeechhhhhhhhhh!!!

stick with your BTD food choices....so much variety and nutrition!

a whole universe of veggies!!! and unlimited to boot! where s the similarity?


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Atkins does not take into account food lectins, which is a basic component to the BTD.

I suggest you read up on the Discovery of Lectins  to understand that this knowledge has been around a long time, and it's not something Dr. D just invented.

Atkins also doesn't take into account the fact that the different blood types produce varying levels of a critical digestive enzyme, IAP, (intestinal alkalline phosphotase) which shows a strong link to metabolic syndrome.

Atkins also doesn't take into account secretor status.  Type O Secretors in good health can have grain.


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I got a lecture about my current eating style being Atkins. I was patient for the first 15 minutes explaining that LR was in no way similar to Atkins, the information about of lectins and the "right way" of combining lots of vegetables with animal protein intake etc etc, but I lost it when the person just kept insisting that it was one and the same. I decided that it was better to walk away after that.  


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I decided that it was better to walk away after that.  


Good for you!


It is not my responsibility to convince anyone of anything.
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I got a lecture about my current eating style being Atkins.


I hate being lectured! I like a good discussion, though.


It is not my responsibility to convince anyone of anything.
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I must admit, I tried Atkins and got really sick plus, it was hard to follow if you don't do dairy & eggs (both of which I'm allergic to).  The thing was it advocated a heap of dairy and processed meat.  

The main differences between the O-non & Atkins for me are as follows:
- processed foods (allowed & encouraged on Atkins, not so for the BTD)
- fear of carbs (Atkins whereas BTD has specific ones for each BT)
- fats (Atkins is high in saturated fat & encourages its use, whereas BTD focusses more on Omega-3 fatty acids, healthy fats)
- excercise (supposedly not needed on Atkins, encouraged & seen as a part of the overall lifestyle on BTD.
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And the other thing I like about BTD vs. Atkins is you don't have to fear fruits because they may have too many carbs and the right fruits for our types are actually encouraged - which really helps me be able to stick with BTD. And there are certain fruits like cherries and blueberries that I find very healing to my body.  I would have never known that without the BTD knowlege I have.


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Quoted from Stephanie_Jackson
So if we Os are eating lots of meat and veggies, and many of us no grains, how different is this from the Atkins's Diet?  How is this good for us when Atkins is bad?  I don't know much about Atkins - always thought it was bogus - but the only difference I can think of is that it allows pork and BTD lets us eat sweet potatoes?

Just a curious thought that struck me this AM.

Atkins is a reductionist diet in that it says all carbs are the same and you should only have so many per day, no matter the source.

The BTD is customized and says it is the specific food that is good, bad or neutral for the specific person. So while I can't have wheat bread (high in carbs), I can have a beneficial banana (high in carbs) or a sweet potato (ditto). You will find that most of the allowable high-carb foods on the BTD are whole, unrefined, vitamin-rich foods with lots of "chi" (life force), namely vegetables and fruits (and also seeds and nuts).

Could I drink pineapple juice on Atkins? No. But as a Type O on the BTD, it is beneficial to me. Missy has a great point that facts like that make the BTD so much more sustainable than Atkins because it is more balanced and variety-laden and imho it allows a lot more "chi" (I'm big on chi). Brightly colored fruits and veggies are highly encouraged (as long as they are ones that are beneficial or neutral for your type) on the BTD, whereas on Atkins, fruit and particularly fruit juice would take you up close to or over your carb limit for the day. If you had that juice, you probably couldn't have any other carbs that day (depending on if you are in the "induction" phase of the diet or the maintenance phase). BTD says, if you are eating carbs that are good for your type, ENJOY. Drink that pineapple juice! Have a sweet potato! Walnuts, anyone? Are those collard greens and/or kale so good that you want to have another helping? Go for it, it's good for you! 100% fruit smoothies make you feel revitalized? ENJOY!

So there are profound diffs between Atkins and the BTD.

Atkins: one size fits all
BTD: tailor made for the individual


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Good question, Stephanie. Here's my view on Atkins and BTD:

My way to BTD was over a very successful weight loss on Atkins. (48 lbs in 9 months)

I was very comitted and did everything exactly according to the book. And I lost weight and felt great. (Except for some constipation from time to time, but I get that as well, when I go BTD grain-free)

So, I believe I know the Atkins diet, and know where people tend to go wrong.

First: Many people say "Atkins" and only think of the first phase: Induction, where you only eat 20 g of carbs/day. That's the shortest phase on Atkins, where you kick-start your weight-loss. I was 4 weeks on Induction before I moved to the next phase, Ongoing Weight Loss. (Max time on Induction is 6 months - but then you'll have to lose a ton of fat! ) Then you move on to Ongoing Weight Loss. 5-10 lbs before your goal weight you go to Pre Maintenance and at your goal weight you go to Maintenance. On OWL you slowly add back carbs from vegetables and dairy, some fruit and grains. Pre Maintenance is a trial and error-period where you find your own specific carb-level and "trigger-foods". Maintenance is, of course, the phase you're supposed to be in the rest of your life, following your personal eating plan you've found out in OWL and PM.

-Atkins does NOT encourage the use of processed meat - in contrary. Maybe people on Atkins believe it's OK, but if you read the book, it really isn't.
-Exercise is a vital part of the eating plan and is of course highly recommended. But people are lazy, and lots of people on Atkins do Atkins because they believe they can skip exercise if they drop all their carbs (WRONG!)
-Atkins says specificly in his book, that no one loses weight or gets healthy by overdoing bacon, cream, and full fat cheese - if you don't eat your vegetables, you don't lose weight. Even on Induction, you have to eat a fair amount of vegetabels every day. But lots of people believe they'll lose faster on Atkins, if they skip their veggies alltogether (WRONG!)

I was a member on the Atkins message board for a long time, and the staff was very proffessional and patient with all those posters, who just wanted a quick fix and didn't even bother to read the articles on the web page, not to mention read the book and follow the recommendations.

It's just as unfair to judge Atkins by the Induction-rules, as it is to judge Dr.D on what is recommended for a bloodtype, that doesn't fit you, or if you don't follow the rules. I've gained back 20 lbs while on BTD, but is that Dr.D's or BTD's fault? NO! It's my own fault, because I didn't follow the rules properly!

The reason why I shifted from Atkins to BTD when I reached my goal weight was because I was tired of low-carb, and I believed, that BTD was more balanced and healthy in the long run.

Two things didn't add up to me about Atkins:
Fruit was almost totally out - and I didn't understand that, even though I'm not the biggest fruit-eater to begin with.
Splenda and other artificial sweeteners (NOT aspartam, though) were OK to use.

How come something natural was "out" while something awfully chemical was "in"?

SO, BTD was my choice, and I haven't regretted it at all.

So, long story short:

The difference between Atkins (Maintenance) and a grain-free O-diet is:
Atkins BTD
Pork + -
Dairy + (-)
Fruit (-) +
Sweeteners + -

PS.: I would of course never recommend Atkins to other blood types but O's. + implement the BTD rules...


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but I lost it when the person just kept insisting that it was one and the same. I decided that it was better to walk away after that.


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Poly, thank you for your response, I really appreciate it....to me, BTD seems healthier just in principle, but other eating programs need to be fully looked into before they are condemned.
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Thank you Poly   Excellent sumarry of Atkins.

I actually have great respect for Dr. Atkins and staff. I admire the effort put forward to make people understand some of us may get very sick with a low fat, high carb diet. He just had a "one size fits all" which fortunately offered a different size to the existing one.

I prefer BTD because
* I tend to believe more the importance of blood type on the functioning of the body and the effect of lectins.
* I feel better on BTD. I do not do well with dairy, I can not digest pork or whole wheat. I could consume lots of carbs without gaining weight so I could enjoy a good amount of fruit (bananas included).
* I do not like the idea of artifical sweetners. I prefer a more natural diet. I believe it is healthier.

When I am BTD compliant and in a compromise I follow Atkins (EG. I rather eat foi gras than dessert).

Overall, I believe Dr. D is closer to the ideal nutritional plan but I am extremely grateful to Dr. Atkins and team.




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...EG. I rather eat foi gras than dessert...


Hah hah - me too!



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Once again, boy am I glad I asked!  There's a lot I didn't know about Atkins, and while I see more of the differences now, I also have more respect for Atkins.  However, I'm still convinced that BTD is the way to go for me.  

Peppermint twist - I'm with ya about the chi.  I feel that we need to honor the food if we want it to honor us.  
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You don't get bad breath with BTD.  Did with Atkins
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You don't get bad breath with BTD. Did with Atkins


I agree, but on the other hand, this only happens on the "Induction" stage or perhaps even on the "ongoing weight loss" stage. They are the stages when carbs are significantly reduced and thus, the period when one losses the greatest amount of weight The bad breath is because one is burning fat. It is the smell of toxins.

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