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ooh-la-la
Tuesday, January 16, 2007, 3:17pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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I have been BTD-ing for a week  now. I am 55 years old.
Having been vegetarian from January 2000 until around 2003, and then adding fish at that time---I am now starting to eat some beef, lamb, and chicken.
Small amounts.

I have trouble digesting even a small amount meat.
I do eat a good amount of walnuts, also almonds, which I am used to.
Maybe too much fats though? I also am used to eating olive oil.
I wonder how long it will take to efficiently digest meats again.
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Tuesday, January 16, 2007, 3:20pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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try ground beef, turkey, chicken to assist you through this stage......


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Tuesday, January 16, 2007, 3:22pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Suggest that you go slow with the portion of protein each meal and best time for protein meal is first part of the day. Less or no protein for dinner. Add Bromelain from NAP to help in digesting protein.  As you are adjusting, Pro- Mitokon A will give you the energy.

Cheers .


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ooh-la-la
Tuesday, January 16, 2007, 3:22pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Thank you, Lola.

I just realized I placed this in the wrong section.
This isn't a testimonial! ha
Don't know how to move it either...
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ooh-la-la
Tuesday, January 16, 2007, 3:23pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Thanks Enilac. That makes sense.
I'll try that.
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Tuesday, January 16, 2007, 3:35pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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VEGETARIAN DIETS

                       Excess copper interferes with zinc, a mineral needed to make digestive enzymes.  Too much copper also impairs thyroid activity and the functioning of the liver.  If severe enough, a person will become an obligatory vegetarian.  This means they are no longer able to digest meat very well.  Conversely, if one becomes a vegetarian for other reasons, most likely one's copper level will increase.  Vegetarian proteins are higher in copper, and lower in zinc.
                       At times, the vegetarian orientation is health-producing.  In many people, however, restricted diets do not work well.  Fatigue, spaciness and other symptoms begin to appear.  Many people, including the author, felt they were becoming more spiritual on a vegetarian diet, when in fact it was just copper poisoning!  The taste for meat often returns when copper is brought into better balance.
                       Some people with high copper dislike all protein.  They crave high-carbohydrate diets.  Protein feels heavy or causes other symptoms.  Eating protein stimulates glandular activity.  This releases stored copper which causes the symptoms.  However, these individuals usually need to eat protein.  The symptoms will eventually disappear.
                       Copper-toxic individuals may also be drawn to sweets or salty foods due to adrenal insufficiency.  Some sea salt is often beneficial.  Sweets, including fruit juices, provide a temporary lift but may worsen the condition.

Therefore, in case you are zinc deficient you may want to supplement with some zinc and/or make sure to eat plenty of pumpkin seeds until you can digest meat better.

You may want to take some bromelain or some other digestive enzyme until your system can produce its own in proper levels.

You may want to supplement with some coleus forskolii until you can eat the proper amount of meat. It will help your digestion and:
Quoted from CR4YT - page 24
Coleus has been shown to enhance energy in type Os. In many respects, its effect on cellular storage are similar to the effects of red meat.




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ooh-la-la
Tuesday, January 16, 2007, 3:43pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Thanks, Don.
I do supplement with zinc.
I usually am very tired, I will look
into the coleus forskolii.
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The coleus Forskolin is in Pro-Mitokon A from NAP.


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Quoted from enilac
The coleus Forskolin is in Pro-Mitokon A from NAP.

Although, not very much.

She may want to use quite a bit more such as what is recommended in the Dr. D Fatigue Support Protocols: Coleus (Coleus forskohlii), 150 mg: 1 capsule, twice daily that is in addition to the Promitokon A (acetyl carnitine): 1 capsule twice daily  



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Dang, I can't add anything to the plethora of fabulous advice in this thread, so I'll just say:  welcome to the BTD forums, ooh-la-la!!!


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Thanks, Peppermint Twist.
I am learning lots, it's great.
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I can add hope....was vegetarian for 25 yr.....had difficulty switching to meat....kept at it , but digestion was bad....started using betaine hydrochloride, and often bromelain, with meat meals....it definitly helped, and after about a year, all was returned to normal... I believe I was copper toxic in the extreme, so ......it can normalize. (chicken was easier at first)
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I hadn't know that about the copper imbalance problem with vegetarians.

I believe I will focus on poultry for now, before returning to red meat.
I hope to find a good source for organic free-range chicken & turkey.

Thanks for the encouragement, jayney-O
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Grandmother of vegetarian O's would like more information on possible symptoms of copper toxicity (in young people who don't seem to get tired)! Always looking for info that might lead to diet change--   Many thanks!
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Don
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Did you read the whole article at the link I gave above?


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No, sorry, it's late in the day and I was glancing rapidly with the wrong glasses on.  I have now done so.  THANK YOU!
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Taking a Polyflora capsule per specific blood type will assist individuals who have changed their eating patterns from meat and animal flesh foods to plant based foods, and likewise, vegetarian to animal flesh foods by readjusting the flora in one's digestive system.

Alia


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Quoted from ooh-la-la
I have been BTD-ing for a week  now. I am 55 years old.
Having been vegetarian from January 2000 until around 2003, and then adding fish at that time---I am now starting to eat some beef, lamb, and chicken.
Small amounts.

I have trouble digesting even a small amount meat.
I do eat a good amount of walnuts, also almonds, which I am used to.
Maybe too much fats though? I also am used to eating olive oil.
I wonder how long it will take to efficiently digest meats again.


I'm a newbie and have somewhat your background. If you can start small you'll be able to monitor your body's responses better. I started off with avoiding all the avoids and increasing the beneficial vegetables. Grains dont sit well with me, and thinking back I'm amzed at how much rice & wheat I used to eat! I now substitute starchy vegetables for the portion of rice/wheat I used to eat. As for animal source of protein, I'm eating eggs now. Beans, seeds & nuts form a small portion of protein source. Good luck with the change of lifestyle, it's truly beneficial!



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Interesting information about high levels of copper. Is it the lentils which has high levels of copper? Any idea which vegetables?


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ooh-la-la ( how cute is that? ) , welcome to BTD and the forum!!  
Just wanted to encourage you to read the article MoDon posted re: copper toxicity. It is very informative and well worth the read.  
Look forward to seeing you around.



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accidental_chef, I am working on reducing grains. Have eliminated wheat and corn of course, still eating some brown rice and millet. Eating more squashes and sweet potatoes, and some green peas.

italybound, I studied that copper toxicity article last night and it seems it really applies to me. I thank MoDon for leading me to it, and I believe that others here have benefited from reading it as well.

Last night I made a big pot of kale with our meal--yummy! Also had yellow squash, brown rice, black-eyed peas/vegetable stew. Earlier in the day, for protein I ate egg and salmon.
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here AC, on copper containing foods:
http://www.dadamo.com/suppbase/suppbase.cgi


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I don't see anything about copper containing foods.......just a suppbase...
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write copper in the search field and highlight  the 'all'; 'name' and 'rows' boxes.
then press enter


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Looks like legumes & grains eaten in excess causes copper toxicity problems in vegetarians who are rice-lentilitarians. Quite enlightening to learn that these 2 catagories in excess leads to iron deficiency as well. More information to be passed on to the family!

Thanks Lola!


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