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jsshort
Saturday, December 30, 2006, 2:00am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Okay, started the house cleaning and went to grocery store, a Publix (the best around here, very few HFS's without lots of miles) and one thing I have to say....WHY CAN'T WE FIND A WAY TO EAT RIGHT WITHOUT COSTING SO MUCH MONEY!? Why can't someone say, well, uh, peanuts are healthy? My gosh, as an O with peanuts and it's butter out, and a recommended almond butter @ $15 a small jar, and Ezekial bread @over $5 a loaf, what gives? Not to mention organic this and that. I mean really, what gives? Is it all tied to what makes more money for those recomending this stuff. Don't call me a critic, just maybe a serious doubter. I have seeminigly fallen for this "healthy" diet thing for countless types of very costly programs that are really just pocket emptiers! Where does it all end? I know you will all answer back that HERE is the end, but how do I know. I have done some research and seen where this diet is questionable among other doctor types. I mean seriously, could everything be so bad that we are dieing at the age of, what, 70 or so by eating bacon and gravey forever? I must have to have more scientific proof of the existence of a "superior" diet before I attempt to go for it. I mean, really, nuts are nuts, peanut butter, cheap, almond butter $15.99 per 6 ounce jar, somebodies lining thier pockets on our gullibleness! I really wanted totry this thing, but my gosh, I am 45, very close to 46 and have no problems that I can think of, just thought I could do better and now I am broke and thinking I wasn't doing too bad before. Example: Why is wheat bad for everyone but is touted by all as being the WAY to go for health? My lord, nothing in the grocery store is without wheat or it's gl;uten in it and if you "think" that it is bad for you then you are apying $10 for pasta that should be $1. Come on now, lets just be sensible about htis whole "diet" thing! If it's all for real, then I guess it's only the rich that will survive past thieir 80's, but at that age, who cares! I really am fed up with more than just "avoid foods".
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Oh, by the way, I am still giving this a shot. I am just venting and have no one else around now to gripe at! But I really do doubt these claims until it becomes more mainstream. If it is for real, why aren't doctors everywhere jumping on this wagon if their code is to help in our health? If they are ignoring REAL science, isn't a code of ethics thing going on and we can start a line to the lawyers office? Then we may be able to afford to eat the way we are supposed to, blood type or not!
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listen, I live in Mexico and there s no fancy stuff down here to buy.

just buy vegetables, fruit, meat, poultry and fish as well as compliant legumes and grains and
you re good to go!

this is no money making scheme believe me, it is just what s right for your genetic makeover.

I would never think of eating any other way, and I sincerely hope you consider doing what s right for you.

the recipe base has a myriad of great recipes to make just about anything from scratch!


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Lola, so you do not eat organic? That is the underlining I get here is that every thing has to be organic, natural, the way "God" intended. If it was just fruits and veggies, then, hey, I am in there. But when you are limited so much, from that I mean that you are eating the same things day in and day out, no real change. I am not saying Dr D is making money off this scheme, and this diet may be for REAL, but ther are so many out there that say theirs is the way, a it just seems that there is some sort of "side bar" motivation. The plecibo effect if you will. I was feeling pretty good following the prior program, vegan with regular fasting. I guess I should stop searching at some point!
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It's gotten better...and more mainstream.  I can now buy some compliant foods at Costco...I've even heard tale of almond butter there, though I haven't found any at mine.  Rice noodles used to be horrible, and just as expensive as they are now.  As the demand increases for wheat-free and purer foods, they do become more available.

Produce isn't that expensive, for what you get, and there's always rice and compliant beans...

I gave it a try, and it worked for me...so whatever the authorities say or popular thinking is, this is what works for me when nothing else does.  Food pyramid certainly didn't work for me...why do we listen to the Department of Agriculture about what we should eat, we might as well listen to the Department of Lard, I'm sure fat would be the base of the food pyramid then.  I'd be happy if they just put an asterisk by the food pyramid saying "results may vary, some people get sick from overconsumption of grains"  Ha, that'll never happen.  They sell us on the food that they have a surplus of: wheat and corn.


Type O+ blogger, secretor afterall. Gluten intolerant. With two gluten intolerant sons:  A+ Secretor 10 yo (also fructose intolerant and slightly egg allergic), and  O- 7yo.
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Oh, for noodles and rice flour, check out an asian market, their prices are much better.


Type O+ blogger, secretor afterall. Gluten intolerant. With two gluten intolerant sons:  A+ Secretor 10 yo (also fructose intolerant and slightly egg allergic), and  O- 7yo.
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I am surrounded by Drs in my family and really don t care what they think cause I know they
don t have the slightest idea about nutrition.


all I can say is that I've been following this lifestyle for the past 10 years and have never looked back down here in 'tortilla-taco land'!!! lol

organic stuff is scares, but I know I m better off eating what there is instead of avoids.....
produce is abundant and there are a lot of fruit and vegetable varieties to choose from apart from all protein sources.

I have learned to make practically everything from scratch, thanks to all the wonderful people here participating and sharing their recipes.

I can t complain cause I enjoy every meal I create.

hospitals are packed with diabetics, pharmacies are at a boom and so are insurance companies!
makes you wonder just how healthy whole wheat and corn derivatives really are, doesn t it?






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I am not bagging anyone here, but please, let me vent. You say "it works for me", but that is the evr present plecebo effect. What you believe will work. That is the gracious thing about the human body. We can dump stuff into it that is not tolerable and what does it do? Tolerate it! I do agree we have to eat and do better, I mean really, Mac D's has taken over and if you all haven't been to the toy section of Wal-Mart latley, you can tell. Our off spring has SPRUNG and all we can do is go work more hours and try to make ends meet. When our bodies break down and all looks bleak, or doctors are no help and what we do is hit the web! Wow, what info we find, and all of it works for someone! We need something better is all I am saying.....John trying not to be too synical.
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John,  I understand what you're saying and where you're coming from.  I do not have any major medical problems and started the BT lifestyle (Aug 2006) because I hope to give myself the very best chance at healthy aging.  My Mom had her thyroid irradiated in her 50s (I turned 50 last month) and my father and younger (4 years)brother both have type 2 diabetes.  You say that those of us who feel this way of life is a benefit may be experiencing a "placebo effect".  I'm sure it may be true in some cases, but how is that a bad thing?  Lower BP. increased energy, weight loss, elimination of digestive problems (and many other improvements)  have been experienced by BT followers.  This may not be the "scientific evidence" you require to stick with this lifestyle but what was it about the BTD that made you look at it as a possible answer?  For me, it was a nagging that would not go away that this made sense.  And, although there are products on this website that you can buy, you can do this without purchasing this or that "cure", "miracle product" or popping a pill. Yes, organics are expensive.  I don't buy everything organic.  I can't afford to.  I buy organic butter because toxins are stored in the fat and I know that those toxins will be concentrated in my ghee.  I have learned to identify which products it makes the most sense to spend the extra money on and which I will "make do" with from reading this site and the links that many knowledgable posters provide.  I hope you will stick with the BTD.  Many great and transforming ideas were not thought very highly of by the establishment when first conceived but later were proven to be true (think Chris Columbus here).  The web in truly full of info, some not worth the time it takes to read it.  Only you know what feels right for you.  Hopefully, you'll give the BTD a real chance to show you how good it is!
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Okay, lost last transmission. Wow, got sore fingers and all! All I am saying is that without "Full" doctor support and proof, why should we believe anything written about a diet particular to a blood type. If there are those out ther that are "religious" then I fully believe that their "God" has made a body that can consume what is provided.  What I do whole heartedly believ is that boxed, canned and other processed foods are not that which is provided. I do believe in natural foods, not necessarly organic, but good wholesome foods are best for our bodies. I am not a "religious" person, but I do believe that what has been provided and feels ggod to eat, then is good. If I eat a piece of pork and throw up, then I say that was bad meat. If I eat it again and throw up, it is a bad source of food and will not eat any more. And so on with all foods. If it tastes good, eat it, if it doesn't, don't. If it makes you feel bad after consumption, also stop eating it. For goodness sake, I cannot fathom an apple being bad for any one, no matter what thier darned blood type is! Or a bananna, or an orange, or a potato, or a tomato, etc.
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Hi jsshort and firstly welcome to the forums, even if I am a little late.

This is the RIGHT place to vent your feelings and discuss how you see BTD. We are if nothing very open minded although a lot of us are fervent advocates of BTD.

I also do not have access to very much organic products/produce so I do the best I can. I cannot afford to buy organic dried fruit, not only is it too expensive the quality is quite frankly garbage.

The BTD is all about balance - you do the best you can within your budget and what is available to you. Become a label reader. It is better to buy a product that has one less "avoid" in it, change the things you use gradually - no one says this change will happen overnight. I for instance when starting looked in the cupboard and said - OK I use cornflour what can I use as a substitute: Arrowroot. Same price. Freely available and not an avoid - Hey a Start!!!!!

BTD also does not claim to be a cure-all. That is the beauty of it it is still evolving.

You say you are 45 and still ok health-wise. All the more reason to start looking and assessing your situation. Will you still be healthy in ten years. Maybe a little cheap insurance policy is needed.

My Type A husband and I have been following BTD for over 7 years and the last year he has become sick. Fortunately we have now found out what the problem is and I am happy to say he is on the road to recovery. Instead of thinking that BTD has not helped I feel it has made him, and I stronger to help us fight this illness.

Please stick with us, read, learn, post and argue with us...

Regards,
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John...yes I know where you are coming from too. Especially being in the royal nonnie club. I can't even fill up on the grains for the secretors. Meat, veggies and some fruits. Have to watch the sugar levels there. I try and buy organic when I can...if I can... either due to availablity or funds. Bananas...always organic. Butter too, like Mare eo/Mary. If I don't buy organic I make sure I wash the veggies and fruits thoroughly. Yes...I still wash them if they are organic.   Never know when a birdy could fly over.  

They are selling us cheaper stuff loaded with wheat and corn because it is just that... cheap... and they can make alot of money doing it. They don't care if we are healthy as long as they are getting our money into their pockets.

And...why alot of doctors (not all...some are lucky enough to have one that is or is starting to believe in BTD) are not pushing this way of life...their jobs would become obsolete for the most part.

And...vent all you like...we are here for you either way. Do keep it up and see the results. For me...there is no going back. I am not saying I have not eaten avoids over the past four and a half years for I have and when I do...it takes me a long time to feel healthy again. Lots of luck to you.

Debra


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John, Go ahead and vent now, but read the books when you get them. I think once you understand the science behind the BTD you will calm down somewhat.

If you want cheap food buy the agribusiness junk that is made from wheat and corn, but that does not mean that they are not making a lot money selling that cheap food. If you want food that is good for you then buy fresh produce and clean lean meats. You don't have to buy organic, but organic is better for you, particularly try to buy antibiotic and hormone free meats and if possible from animals that have been grass-fed or pasture-raised.

If you want to get mad at anyone you should be mad at our Government, agribusiness, the medical establishment, pharmaceutical companies, etc. They have sold us all out for money. Don't expect the BTD to become mainstream for a long time. Major shifts in scientific thought takes a long time. You will probably will have to wait for the current generation of science leaders to die off and for a younger generation to accept the new principles as valid. Unfortunately, science progress is filled with examples of this having to occur. If you stick with this you can be thankful that you found it. As I tell my sons all the time the BTD will give them a huge advantage in life, school, work, family, and at least in the long run financially.

By the way I can get a 16 oz bottle of almond butter for $9 at my local Kroger grocery store and for less when it goes on sale. You may want to do some of your shopping online if you don't have any good local stores or make the drive once every month or two to some better stores, particularly once you figure out what you want and like because then you can buy in quantity to stock up. Actually, I sometimes think that eating this way may actually be cheaper, because I buy so many fewer processed food products. Processed food products are where the money is at for agribusiness companies. I also think I need less food because the food I am eating is so much more nutritious for my body.

I started the BTD hoping it would solve my sinus problems (which it eventually did, 98% so far) so why did my knee joints improve and my anxiety went away in a matter of a couple of weeks and so many other health problems improved that weren't even really on my radar? I don't think that was a placebo effect. One thing the BTD has taught me, and I consider this one of the most valuable lessons, is that I have a lot more power and control over my health then I ever thought before. I have also learned along the way that there is a big difference between being fit and being healthy. I was extremely fit before I started the BTD, but I found out that I was also not very healthy.


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jsshort, welcome to BTD and the forums!!
IMHO, you are certainly justified re: being aggravated over the cost of healthier foods. It aggravates me too. I was just talking to a friend of mine about that this evening. Yes, I do believe these companies are holding us hostage because we want to eat healthier. Yes, I do believe it costs more to raise organic fruits/veggies or humanely grown meat w/o antibiotics and hormones, but really, does it need to cost the prices they are charging? Are they price gouging? I think so. But am I going to stop buying the better food? No way. We just have to shop around and find the best prices. The people on this forum are always looking out for one another in that regard, so I feel very fortunate in that way. If we can afford organic, great, if not, we do the best we can. The only other option I see, is to raise our own meat, veggies and fruits and realistically, most of us cant.
I look at it this way. I can spend my money buying better quality food or I can spend it at the doctors and on medicine. Unfortunately, its that simple and those are our 2 choices, IMHO.  
BTD is by no means a scheme or a money making, pocket emptying program.  Seriously, doing BTD costs no more than having internet access. Dr D has very graciously provided us the Typebase4 to check any foods he has researched. We have the forums to communicate anything (within the forum guidelines) we wish w/ each other. He gives us all this for free. Yes, he does have supplements we can buy, but on the other hand, its not necessary to do BTD. In the first mth of my starting BTD, my daily migraines and sinus headaches, all sinus issues, all digestive issues (from top to bottom) and all arthritis like symptoms disappeared. I took no supplements, I only followed (to the letter) the guidelines in the Eat Right for Your Type book (ER4YT). And I did not eat organic. ( I do now, as much as I can, but at first I did not). So the only thing it cost me was the ER4YT book and the food I was eating. Everything else, all the help, the support, the extra information (beyond my wildest dreams), was provided to me on this site, for free. By the graciousness of Dr. D.  
 You say you have done some research and seen where this diet is questionable among other doctor types. I have seen the same research from the other doctor types. What is best for you can only be determined by you. How do you determine this? By giving it a real shot, for, say at least a month. Do it 100%. Avoid the avoids. Load up on the beneficials, fill in w/ the neutrals. But make your beneficials be on what you concentrate. You have to make the decision for yourself. There are loads of testimonials on this site and believe me, when I first started, I was not impressed the least bit by them. What I was impressed by, was the difference I felt in myself by having given it a real try. Then, I was impressed by the testimonials and added my own.
 You say you are 45 and have no real health problems. Funny thing, I thought that too. I was just so adjusted to all of my this and that, that I really hadnt realized I had so many problems. Re: wheat for your blood type (BT), it is probably the worst food. Wheat, bread, pasta didnt the gov recommend us to eat this because its low in fat. We did. Look how overweight Americans are. All you have to do is look around when youre at Walmart. Its amazing. At least it amazes me how overweight America has become. Add to this that we dont drink the amount of water we should, nor do we get the amount of sleep we should, and actually we have created for ourselves a recipe for disaster and disease.  All w/o even realizing we are doing so.
You ask why aren't doctors everywhere jumping on this wagon if their code is to help in our health?  Id say, the almighty dollar is standing in their way. If we are well, off whom do they then make their money? Now you may call me a critic or synic.  Personally, I have no doubt that most drs have no clue about nutrition, nor do they care to learn. It wont make their Mercedes pmt, or the $5,000 a mth house pmt. Keeping us sick, keeps them rich. I feel like I can say that from first hand experience. My mom has been sick for many years. Since learning of BTD and all the things that naturally seem to come w/ it, I have learned how to look at the way her doctors handle her. They do blood tests, but do nothing w/ the horrendous results. They just let her keep getting sicker. Only by the grace of BTD and God is she still w/ us. Her drs dont give a hoot. Heck how much time do you get w/ a dr these days. They book 2 patients for every 15 min, in case one cancels. Thats why we sit in the waiting rooms for hours and spend 5-10 min w/ the dr when we finally get seen. Its atrocious!  
If what you believe will work, would work, trust me, Id be eating pasta and bread non-stop. Love it, it doesnt love me. Creates lots of  havoc. IMHO, I think you will see this too once you give it up, even if only for a month.  Yes, our bodies will tolerate what we dump into it, but only for so long. Sort of like the dripping water into a cup one drip too much and the cup runneth over. So do our bodies, its just a matter of when.  
Im glad to hear you are going to try it. Please buy the foods you can truly afford so youre not stressed out about that. Stress all by itself can foil your efforts. Stay here w/ us on the boards, get the encouragement if you feel you need it, ask questions, learn. The forum is a great place to be. There are many wonderful people here. What you will learn will make your head spin. Unless you have a photographic memory, youll never retain it all. Thats what they created bookmarking for.  Save, save, save the information. It is always useful down the road.
Once again, welcome and we all look forward to your future posts.




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Thanks Sue! But when you came to the decision to follow BTD, what if you follwed a Vegan regime and all worked fine, would you feel the same? If you did try other things and they didn't work, then that makes this more pliable. I have really only tried the "tried and true" whole grains, lean meat, soy products instead of dairy, etc. I have not been totally unsatisfied, I just thought there were better ways. I found the Bragg Healthy Life Style and never really fully emersed myself in it before finding this. Now I wish there would have been more time between the two discoveries, as both have "HUGE" merit in my mind. I really feel lost in a world where I feel that the doctors should have more knowlege of, not just some, but all! Don't doctors have to get together at some sort of seminar and discuss their thoughts/findings and all come together in some sort of agree-ance? If not, we are at the mercey of all those with degree's to do with us as they will. If you ask me, that is where we are at! One Dr who gets a bonus from those in the wheat business sayes wheat products are good and gets a kick back. Another Dr with friends in the Yam world says you can't live a day witout consuming at least one yam, you got it, kickbak. It is all about the $$$ and if you don't htink this site is about the same thing, see the "products for sale"section. Everyone may not have to have them, or may not buy them. but someone does and it is apalling to me that we are funding this continued "research". Where, oh where does it end?
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I have done some research and seen where this diet is questionable among other doctor types.


Here's something to consider:

http://www.dadamo.com/fao/smartfaq.cgi?answer=1075372220

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FREQUENTLY ASSERTED OBJECTIONS

See Also:

Clarifications and Updates | Frequently Asked Questions

Make sure that you carefully evaluate the source of the criticism before you believe it.

Virtually all the criticisms of the Blood Type Diet which can be read on the internet are the result of partisan politics, usually in the form of an opposing nutritional system or belief.

Not one of these criticisms is founded on any type of scientific evaluation of Dr. D'Adamo's work or a review of the existing science literature on the human blood groups. In fact, most critics would appear to know very little about the subject matter they are criticizing.

Keys to evaluating material critical to the Blood Type Theory:

1. Is it science-based, or just the postulations of a spokesman for an opposing system threatened by its conclusions?

2. Does the critic display a convincing knowledge of the human ABO groups? We've found that many critics of Dr. D'Adamo's work have never actually read any of his books, nor have they taken the time to investigate the theory with an open mind.

3. Does the criticism appear fair and balanced? Is the critic curious about what they are investigating? It is OK to be skeptical, but a surprising amount of skeptics have absolutely no curiosity about that which they are skeptical of.



Unfortunately, you will not find another person in books or on the internet who knows as much as Dr. D does about blood type.  He's been studying it for well past 25+ years.  Every critic I have ever read about the BTD did not even have the rudimentary knowledge that I do about this new way of eating.

Ask them about lectins and they will say that they are unimportant or that they are ALL destroyed by cooking, and that is blantantly not true.  You have to wonder, how could one size of eating fit all of us, when there is a remarkable amount of scientific evidence in the literature that shows the different blood types have different levels of intestinal alkaline phosphotase in their systems!  This is an enzyme that is critical in the digestion of fats.  How interesting.  Scientists have known this for over 40 years.  It's been proven in research study after research study.  Here is something that is so basic....digestion of fats.....and the blood types have different levels of this enzyme in their bodies.  Could this be a clue that, the different blood types will have different dietary needs regarding fats because they produce different levels of this critical enzyme?

But do doctors pay attention to this when designing diets?  No!  They want to give a standard one size fits all answer.

There are literally 5,000+ self reported results in the ResultsBase, of individuals who reported a signifigant improvement in a bodily system (cardiovascular, immune, etc.) just from trying the BTD.  Go look and read what they say.

If you are frustrated because you're not finding low cost foods without a bunch of cr@p and avoids in them, we hear you!  We have the same problem too.  It's a constant search to try to find commercially prepared food that is compliant for us.

But you know what?  We search it out, and we often pay more for better food because.....

Our health is worth it.



Knowledge is power.  SWAMI gives you the diet that will unlock the key to better health, and it's all based on your unique individuality.
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 One Dr who gets a bonus from those in the wheat business sayes wheat products are good and gets a kick back. Another Dr with friends in the Yam world says you can't live a day witout consuming at least one yam, you got it, kickbak. It is all about the $$$

You just described the FDA.

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and if you don't htink this site is about the same thing, see the "products for sale"section. Everyone may not have to have them, or may not buy them. but someone does and it is apalling to me that we are funding this continued "research". Where, oh where does it end?

I gladly support Dr. D and his work. He has improved my health and has given me one of the most important things I could pass on to my sons the knowledge of the BTD for a tiny fraction of the cost I spent on medical bills prior to learning about the BTD. I wish I could afford to contribute more to the research effort.

I have not taken any medication in the five years I have been on the BTD nor have I had to see any doctors for any reason other then the mercury toxicity I am dealing with due to my mercury dental fillings. My sons and I get sick much less often and much less severely. What is that worth?



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we are at the mercey of all those with degree's to do with us as they will. If you ask me, that is where we are at!It is all about the $$$ and if you don't htink this site is about the same thing, see the "products for sale"section. Everyone may not have to have them, or may not buy them. but someone does and it is apalling to me that we are funding this continued "research". Where, oh where does it end?


Yes, IMHO, unless we educate ourselves, we are at the mercy of the drs, gov, and big pharm. Their only interest is in making money. Just take a look at the 'fixer' meds, then take a look at the side effects. Heck, most of them are worse than for what you are originally taking the med!!
I have to disagree about this site being about making money. If it were, would there be so much free info here. Dr D is not obligated to make it accessible to us for nothing. The supplements for sale here are for those that have circumstances, sicknesses, disease that need special 'attention'. These supplements are made specifically for each blood type or w/o junk added. How many supplements on the common market can you say that about?
I for one, have no problem whatsoever funding this continued research if I choose to buy my supplements from Dr D.  I don't think he has the government handing him money for research, as do the big pharms and others, so I think he has to have help from somewhere. I am glad to lend mine. As someone mentioned in another post, if you give BTD a real try, you will only be glad you did.



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What you believe will work.


To a point.

There's a saying: "Wherever a person wants to go, he is led there".

Led by whom? Never mind. It's true and too tough. You get assistance for anything you truly choose. When I choose let's say to fool myself, my body, my self and my body will 'cooperate' and fool me back! Will you call this gracious? Accordingly, you can't sue anyone for ignorance or for following his conviction! It's a free choice all the way. When I first purchased and read Eat Right 4 Your Type I put it away on a remote bookshelf for 3 or 4 years. I was vegetarian and didn't want to hear anymore about it. Then I resumed fish. Then someone very dear called me and asked me to read to her aloud from this book. Then I told myself, wait a minute, this may be it, I'm gonna do it right now. I hope I'm on time, I have no way to tell. I repeat my other post, the outstanding improvements which occur immediately are more than proofs, they are essential for encouraging me to be more and more attentive. You don't build a diet in a week, or a month. There's got to be a commitment and investment, and you'd better give yourself some time to make it your own.

The stream: I'm a loner, for me this stream is vast as the Danube, it's an enough wide a stream for me, I am a happy fish. There's vast knowledge here, Dr. D's and the participants', and as PT told you, there's yet more to be published soon.

Yes, and I work in a hospital. I see how innocent people, younger and older, suddenly crush. There's no insurance, just your ability to listen, to study, to search in order to reach. You said "I guess I should stop searching at some point!". Never, my friend, not as long as you live!





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You don't know, but we do, that Dr. D has turned down every massive $$$$ offer to go "mainstream" and put his name on products.  He's not about making a killing in the market with his name on every shake or food product.  That's why Dr. D develops his own products.  He wants something that he can feel confident in offering to his patients.  Yep.  That's right.  Dr. D actually has an active practice, he actually sees patients.  When was the last time the nutrition guru Andrew Weil saw a patient?  
N E V E R.

You don't know, but we do, that at one time, Dr D developed a protein "snack" bar for each of the four blood types.  This was before Live Right and secretor status came out.  Lo and behold, after a time, the manufacturer was substituting ingredients in the bars.  He was cutting corners, to make his production cheaper, and the bars were not as originally designed.  Not compliant anymore.  Dr. D pulled the bars from production, and went to work on redesigning the bars so that he could make one that was compliant for all types.  He actually didn't have a blood type compliant bar on the market for well over a year; more like two.  Sure, he could have gone after the bucks and kept selling the poor quality stuff to make money, but, you know what? He didn't.  He has integrity.

There is one thing I totally respect about Dr. D, and that's his genuine concern for the people who come here for help, and his integrity.  I think it would be a good exercise for you to find out more of what Dr. D is about.  Read his BLOG for some revelations about the man.


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Transition is difficult but other options may be available to you such as community supported agriculture.  Here's an online CSA locator and information about them:  http://www.biodynamics.com/csa.html

Some areas have year round farmer's markers, other areas only have them during spring/summer/fall.  You can buy direct or in a buying club.  
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But when you came to the decision to follow BTD, what if you follwed a Vegan regime and all worked fine, would you feel the same? If you did try other things and they didn't work, then that makes this more pliable. I have really only tried the "tried and true" whole grains, lean meat, soy products instead of dairy, etc. I have not been totally unsatisfied, I just thought there were better ways.


I tried other ways, and they didn't work.  I certainly thought they would work, I certainly hoped they would work.  The reverse was true when I tried BTD, I didn't think it would work and I hoped it wouldn't (though I wanted something to work).  So, after following the food pyramid to a T and gaining weight and illness, and after trying progressively more calorie restriction to lose weight, and gaining weight and illness...I tried BTD.  It worked in ways I hadn't imagined it would.

If you look through the research on this site, you'll see the scientific references and backing, loads more than any other diet book I've come across...but I'd read Dr. D.'s books first to get a foundation of how it all fits.  And always feel free to toss out your questions (and frustrations) here!





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I have to respond to this year end newbie vent. First of all welcome and good health to you! That also goes out to All! The red pill or the blue pill? which will it be? Don't worry so much about your choices all the time. Just consider your options and simply listen to your body as you make the food part of you by eating it. You are a hunter gatherer go hunt and gather. You sound as though you have already made fairly good choices for a few years. You are ahead of the curve. Results are possibly more subtle for you. My big awareness came when I read in one of the books about the gradual degradation of the kidney -literally clogging up the functioning surface area. typical fate of the long time healthy types: kidney failure. In this world old age means less functional equipment. Read up on the kidney and how it supports all the other systems in the body. Then put two and two together and realize that an accumulation of lectin abuse, after a lifetime of standard fare has so degraded the average kidney that the critical support is no longer there when needed the most. I have begun to look at things regarding diet so much differently since really jumping into the BTD two years ago. This forum has made the most lasting impression on this new outlook. (thanks folks, you know who you are) I really don't have the emotional and the intellectual aspects in line yet. In practice I've embraced avoiding wheat , corn and potatoes and as many mystery souces of these as possible. In my first year these made such a difference in how my back felt in the morning and when going to bed that I was on board right there within weeks after starting. I tried substitutes for the avoid grains at first and have since really let them slip from my mind mostly. Veggies are the base of my pyramid and some kind of red meat usually bison is in the mix along with fruit and nuts. I get fish when I can and poultry now and then to enjoy with others at the table but food is so simple now as I look at it as body fuel and not mouth candy.Happy New Year!
Iemnli


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Jsshort, you will jump in right at the deep end and splash out on lots of organic foods...and then complain about it  

How about not aiming for 100% compliance at this point but easing yourself into the regime?  

How about just losing the wheat and corn for a start...

How about not worrying about organic food at all - if you have not focused on it before...

How about making your own nut butter - very simple process!  

How about bulk buying food that is on special offer (nuts for instance!)...

How about looking for inspiration in Susanne Graham's (blogger) archives...she firmly believes in economy as well as health...

How about thinking of BDT as a framework and adopting it to your circumstances/body's needs etc.  

My point - use the guidelines as your starting point for a journey to long-term health - not as a black and white set of instructions that have to be followed to the T...I am not saying eat lots of wheat and you'll be ok if you also eat lots of beef - you won't.  But within the framework there is a lot of scope for finding your own BTD!  

Most importantly have fun with it...

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Not sure were you live Jsshort ( sort of wish everyone on the board would put where they live under their shield)...go to membercenter on top right corner, click onto profile information under Edit information. Click and then you will see personal message at the bottom of the page. Fill in your location-Country, city ect... and save.
Anyway I don't have a Whole foods ( YET!) but our big chain grocery stores like " Real Canadian Superstore" have a pretty great selection of organic produce and cheap surprisingly. Yes Melissa I have purchased both Organic Almond and Organic Peanut butter ( Maranatha brand) from Costco, a huge jar for $ 12.99..even our local safeway is selling organic sprouted grain breads. People are demanding it. Still can't find any produce grow it ! You'd be surprised what you can grow even in small spaces. And while your planting and tending..your reducing your stress, teaching your children and saving money WIN WIN.
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Welcome to the forum, jsshort.

Although there is general premise and foundation to the BTD with its ABO group food lists, there is a large framework in which we can each choose to make the best food choices for ourselves on a daily basis during each meal.

Buying organic foods, hormon-free products, et al. is an individual choice based on preference, budget, availabilty, and personal significance to each individual.

It is of more importance to eat beneficial and neutral foods than to be overly concerned with spending too much money on a list of new products and/or buying only organic foods.

I encourage you to seek out what's available in your area and do the best that you can with the options available to you. Check out or purchase CR4YT and/or browse throughout this website, the Recipe Index, the 'Bloggers' page for ideas on menus and creating recipes.

Alia


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Not sure were you live Jsshort ( sort of wish everyone on the board would put where they live under their shield)...

If you click on a members screen name it will take you to their profile where you can check to see if they filled in their location information. In the case of jsshort you will find that he lives in Florida.


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It may be different in the states and it may have changed slightly in the UK but, in the past, during 7 years of medical training only 4 HOURS was devoted to nutrition.  That is why the average GP doesn't think nutrition is that important.
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Hi jsshort, nice to meet you

It's a pain trying to find affordable food, yes indeed. Many of us have found it's just better to make your own stuff in some cases. I make my own ghee, almond or walnut butter, nut milks, trail mix, beef or turkey stocks, soups or stews, and so on. And you can raise your own produce to some extent--even if you live in a small apartment, you can grow salad greens and herbs on a sunny windowsill or under a grow light. If you have a patio that gets sunlight, you can do container gardening and grow everything from tomatoes to melons.

Organic is not a requirement, but most of us try to buy organic when we can, simply because the food is of better quality, and it's better for the planet to some degree. I buy organic whenever I can afford it and try to buy locally grown foods in season as well. It's a little more of an effort, but it's fun too. Just today I found a fantastic variety of apple that has already become my new favorite! My goal is to buy a small chest freezer and fill it with locally raised beef, lamb and turkey. It's going to take a while because I don't make much money, but with patience and planning it'll happen.

One thing the BTD will do--it will bring you back to eating fresh, live food that fills your body with energy and health. That requires a commitment to changing how you shop and cook. It takes time to get used to having perishable food around, but once you switch over, you'll never want to go back. And you will find ways to make your budget stretch a little farther.

Also, about the NAP supplements--if you find they are too pricey for you, don't buy them. The beauty of the BTD is that Dr. D designed it as a stand-alone way of eating. You can regain your health on the diet alone. I did and still do to a large extent.

The only way you'll know if this is the food plan for you is to give it a good run. 30 days minimum. As I said a couple of sentences ago, it is a real commitment--but you get optimum health back with it. I would never eat any other way now.

Read the books too, and decide for yourself. If you choose to stay with the BTD, come here and talk with us. Continue to vent--we all do it here--and talk to us about ups, downs, joys, frustrations, and so on.

Welcome to the board! I look forward to your posts.


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jsshort, you talk as if you haven't done any reading, studying, on this website....

everybody will have different health issues, but I know my improvements, and those of people around me, are definitely NOT placebo.

You are fortunate to feel okay to start with. Many of us here were suffering terribly when we found BTD, and our lives & outlooks have turned around.

Yes, the grocery bill got bigger, but the expense on prescriptions and "wrong" foods and junk dropped off 99%. The doctor visits decreased.

The BTDers on this site are from all economic levels, all religions, and all over the world - notice your first response was from Switzerland, our beloved Tomatilla Isa.

There are also books out there on the awful things wheat and general grain over-consumption does to us, which only back up and help explain the stuff I learn here.

If you're open to learning, this is one of the best places to be.


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Regarding "full doctor support",  I go to doctors when I need a diagnosis of some illness, or to get a women's annual exam.  They are not the place to go for nutritional advice because that is not their field of expertise.

Like Melissa, I have tried many different approaches to my health and nutrition, and I gave each of them a fair chance.  I was vegetarian for 25 years, and a couple of those years, I was eating raw foods only.  I followed the macrobiotic eating for about 4 years.  For about 1 1/2 years, I was trying the high protein diet, basically proteins and non-starchy vegetables.  I also practiced fasting and cleansing diets periodically for about a decade.

My health would appear to improve temporarily for a few months, and then would begin to evidence various turns for the worse.  Not that my health was awful, either.  I was a yoga instructor for 25 years, and was very fit.  But I didn't understand Deep Health, such as I've experienced in my 8 years of being on the BTD.

And as far as organic foods, that isn't a BTD principle as much as just common sense.  I'm not interested in polluting my body the way industry has polluted our waters and soil.  It's recommended for good health, but it isn't a blood type issue.

The Blood Type Diet as a financial drain?  I was 6 years into the diet before I even bought one of the books.  I used my local library for that service.  I was 7 years into the diet before I ever purchased one of the supplements from the blood type store.  It just wasn't relevant to me.  Now I buy many of the supplements because I have learned from experience that they are better quality than a lot of what is available elsewhere.  But it's not some kind of requirement.  



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In terms of the price of food

Fascinating how generally people do not hesitate at buying pricey clothing, or cars or in hobbies and yet, they protest because food is expensive.

My husbands family owns a banana plantation and the salaries paid has certainly attracted my attention. They are a joke. It is basically impossible to find labour as they all prefer to work on the better paying construction business.

The industry has support from the European economy and even with it, I am grateful we have other sources of income otherwise I would not be able to finance my internet connection. O well, gone are the days when I would work for the processed food industry and earn loads more.

I am constantly reminded of my first job. I used to work in the marketing department for one of the top 3 food multinational worldwide. While working there, the brand I worked for was suffering tremendous competitive pressure. I remember we would go to the head of R&D to ask for better/cheapper formulas and he constantly replied: How am I to tell you people in marketing that we can not get gold out of expletive deleted.

I am afraid this is what the western world has been aiming at for the last decades.

Having said this, I do get very frustrated and generally revert my decision to follow BTD when I see healthy people feeding themselves on peanuts. Ah! A good sweet caf late with some good white wheat toast any excuse will do.

In terms of the BTD Ill be back later. I am off for a delicious steak tartar.

BTW, I love this thread.


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jsshort, you talk as if you haven't done any reading, studying, on this website....



Kind of  have to second that - get reading!  Start with the tutorial...Enjoy!
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Point very well made.  I just wish there was a way to get my family to read this thread.  I'm sure I'm not the only one who receives gobs of criticizm from everyone around me because of my decision to be open-minded and accept what is the truth.  I've come to realize that the reason people shun the Blood Type Diet is that they're so set in their ways of eating and rationalizing what is "right", based on years of tradition and "that's the way it's always been", that it scares them to consider something new.  The fact is, doing what's right is harder than doing what's convenient or mainstream; be it following a religion, diet, company policy, etc.   Therefore, why bother the effort to try and understand something new when you can just point a finger like everyone else, not having to leave your zone of emotional security?   I'm a 22 yr old college student.  My passions include loud rock and expensive stereos, sportscars, and riding motorcycles.   However, I was not immune to the negative effects of eating nothing but pizza and ice cream every day for four years.  The BTD has let me overcome chronic indigestion, fatigue, allergies, asthma, and many of the same things people talk about here.   If this was not real, I would have collapsed under the criticism of my family and friends LONG ago, because carrying the stigma of "health freak" isn't exactly the cool thing to do at my age.  Anyhow, I just wanted to throw in my 2 pesos worth.  I also enjoyed reading all of the responses on this thread.  Thanks!


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One point that I don't think anybody has made is that when you follow the BTD you will be doing a lot more of your cooking from the basic ingredients and be eating out a lot less. You save money by avoiding over priced processed foods, Hamburger Helper comes to mind, and expensive resteraunt bills.
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Hi there!
I have a point to make to the whole conversation.
At the beginning I had the same problem.
I was thinking that all money I own will be spending on food.
BUT
There is a very good amount of money back in my pocket from all these foods
I don't buy any more. In fact I was spending more money before than now.
Also I am more careful of how much I buy. I don't like to see my beneficial food rot in the fridge any more.
And yes I do buy organic more and more.
Because whats the point of eating beneficial which is packed in hormones, fertilizers and other poisons.
of course when not available I buy normal. But when I stir my soup I like to stir my soup no a chemical bomb.
A simple way of keeping my self in order. May not look at the beginning so simple but it is in the end.
My point is (and that is my experience) that the money I save from cutting avoids I have enough to arrange my self around the beneficial and neutrals.

Now about the other matter good, true, honest or not. who can say? Only you.
Only us about our selves. Certain people, like Dadamo come around and talk to us about what they have discovered.
Believe them or not follow their instructions or not is a personal choice. We are living at the era of the information. Everything is out there.
What we need to do is to choose. Hope and wish all of us to take the right decision for our lives.


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One point that I don't think anybody has made is that when you follow the BTD you will be doing a lot more of your cooking from the basic ingredients and be eating out a lot less. You save money by avoiding over priced processed foods, Hamburger Helper comes to mind, and expensive resteraunt bills.

hi gulfcoast guy
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You came a step ahead, but we were on the same track.


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Merry Christmas Ion!. You know we should really start a new B thread for 2007 since the old one seems to have died.
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Merry Christmas Ion!. You know we should really start a new B thread for 2007 since the old one seems to have died.


Golf coast guy may you have a nice chearful New Year.
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Not sure were you live Jsshort ( sort of wish everyone on the board
would put where they live under their shield).


Good suggestion Hopeful. If you make that into a thread of it's own, everyone would see and maybe hop on board.  I just PM'd someone and was wishing I knew that info as well.

erictm998, I have to say I am genuinely impressed by your post. Good for you for sticking to what you know is good for you, even tho it's not cool. You sound like a very level headed young man. I just wanted to commend you for your attitude.




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You say "it works for me", but that is the evr present plecebo effect. What you believe will work.


If that were true than the vegetarian diet would have worked for me, and the low-fat diet would have worked, too. I believed in both when I gave them a concerted effort.  This is the ONLY diet that I have ever found sustainable, deeply nourishing and satisfying over the long haul. Yet my Type A neighbor across the street almost never eats meat or fat and is doing great, as are several Type A co-workers I have (when you work at a blood bank, you know a lot of your co-workers blood types!). This is not a placebo effect. But if it were, I would say, hey, if it aint broke, dont fix it.

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I fully believe that their "God" has made a body that can consume what is provided.


What if what is provided is arsenic? Or old lace? Yours is the argument of blind faith that inspired a joke I love in which someone is in a flood and up on her roof waiting to be rescued. A rescue vehicle comes along, but the person says No thanks, God will provide. Then a boat comes along, but the person says No thanks, God will provide. Then a helicopter comes along and the person says, No thanks, God will provide. Finally, the water rises up above the persons head and she drowns, and up she goes to the pearly gates of heaven, and she goes (floats?) in, and there is God. She says I had faith in you, why didnt you rescue me? And God says Didnt you see the truck, boat and helicopter I sent? What Im saying is, faith is a great thing but we are also responsible for meeting God halfway and using our common sense and decision-making abilities. We dont just eat any old thing, some things are poisonous, etc. We make choices. The BTD just gives us a great tool in the form of scientific knowledge, so that we can make informed choices. There is nothing unnatural or against faith in that. Unless you want to say that all learning and scientific inquiry is anti-faith, ya know? We are in the infancy of learning about human nutrition, and the more we learn, the more customized it is going to get, and the more we can make good choices. The BTD is a pioneer theory in that endeavor. Look at it as a helicopter sent by God.


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I am surrounded by Drs in my family and really don t care what they think cause I know they
don t have the slightest idea about nutrition.




And there you have it!!!  

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I am surrounded by Drs in my family and really don t care what they think cause I know they don t have the slightest idea about nutrition.


Amen!

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What if what is provided is arsenic?


This reminds me of my friend whose sister is always trying to get her to try this or that because it's 'natural'.  She finally told her "Arsenic is natural too, but you're not going to take that, are you?'  Hope that's not what's in all those natural flavorings we all try to avoid.    For the general publics' sake.




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I am surrounded by Drs in my family and really don t care what they think cause I know they
don t have the slightest idea about nutrition.

As I have said before, my older brother is a doctor. He is way over weight with a majority of it right around his middle, which we all know is very unhealthy. His diet is terrible and he won't listen to anything I have to say, because he is the "doctor".

I had knock-down-drag-out argument with him a few months ago about my mercury toxicity problem from my dental fillings. He followed the standard medical line about mercury dental fillings: "they do no harm".

Can you tell I don't normally go to him for medical advice!


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Once I can armtwist family members to start reading, their minds change....


Ahhhhhhh, is THAT what it takes................  Guess I'd best have my Wheaties then .

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As I have said before, my older brother is a doctor.  His diet is terrible and he won't listen to anything I have to say, because he is the "doctor".


Doesn't it just make ya wanna spit!!!!!!!!! My daughter is the same way....won't listen to me, won't even read a book, because the DR says otherwise. Never mind that doing BTD has helped several family members so far.  



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although I must admit that after 10 years my hub has been showing many signs of improvement in his diet choices.

for the past two years he has been off coffee, dairy, and almost no wheat or corn.

at least I haven t been buying those for a very long time, and he s fine with that.......
but I see he now chooses the right stuff even when we are out eating at a restaurant!

and he loves telling people what to eat according to their type ......as a Dr. he somehow has more 'authority', so to speak, and people actually listen!! lol

I just sit back and enjoy the conversation and watch peoples reactions......to what he is saying.......once he has the person 'trapped', he tells them to give me a call so I can explain things more in detail and eventually hand them a protocol according to their type.

I never thought I d be having this 'tandem' way of spreading the BTD theory!
It s fun!
but boy! did it take time for me to make my point!

my daughter on the other hand, follows her life style closely for the past 6 years, is convinced, and radiates health........she is in her 3rd year of med school and will guaranteed pass on her BTD experience to all her future patients, of that I am sure!

my son s another story, also in med school, but slowly adjusting, making better diet choices together with his dad!! hopefully by the time he s graduated, he too will pass this on to his patients.
all we can do is hope........water, water, water!! without drowning the seed, right?  


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Well, I've mentioned to you all how my sister has IBS (or something similar), the 'phews constantly have ear infections and colds, and last I heard, the one 'phew is undergoing a battery of tests because of digestive probs he is having, including a test for celiac. Years ago, I sent my sister ER4YT. It was when I heard she was dealing with IBS. I followed up later several times by asking if she had read it, saying "because I really think it could help", and got some vague response. They all think my diet is completely flaky, especially my BIL (but then, he also told me he wakes up every day and thanks God that Bush was declared the winner of the 2000 election, so thar ya go with his opinion on things--he is a great guy in many ways, but politically, he and I are NOT simpatico...and apparently our ideas on diet are not in sync either).

Anyway, I figure I've given them the book, received no response. Talked to them about the diet a little. Flatline. So now I just don't say anything and if they come to me about it, I'll be happy to tell them about it. Otherwise, they can stick with their diet of wheat, corn syrup, sugar and transfats, and their health protocol of doctors and prescriptions. I just feel bad for my nephews as far as their diet, their health issues (which I think are inextricably related), and the fact that their well-meaning parents have a total disconnect about same.


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Hello jsshort (John?)I do hope that you have had a chance to read the introductory chapter of at least one of the books by now - you can borrow them from public lending libraries I would hope.
I find that understanding the blood type theory, especially to do with the lectins, is a solid basis for accepting why certain foods are beneficial and others avoid even when they are closely related such as oranges and lemons.
Funny that you should raise the question of placebo effects- I've been thinking of that this week too. So what if that is an added benefit?
But anyway, to digress, I was donating blood the other day, and the nurse was talking about what she had made for lunch. It sounded so much like an A type meal that I dared to ask her what blood group she was. She did a double take and said "Oh I know why you are asking that, I read that book 6 years ago, and have been following it ever since." Her response to my question about how she had found the book was interesting. She had been working in a medical clinic where a stream of patients were appearing with the book under their arms, praising its benefits. They
claimed to be successfully dealing with all the usual medical problems such as blood pressure, diabetes etc. etc. It's really interesting that some people take to BTD like a lightbulb flashing off
in their heads, and others follow an inquiring, rational, testing path. You must make this decision for yourself. My gut feeling is that it is the truth because of the benefits I see in myself after 4 years of re-educated eating, but no-one can prove it except you yourself. You could always wait until an inevitable disease of ageing creeps up on you, and then test it. (slap hand, that's mean, Jenny)

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that s quite a nurse you found there!! )


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