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Alia Vo
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Welcome to the forum, jsshort.

Although there is general premise and foundation to the BTD with its ABO group food lists, there is a large framework in which we can each choose to make the best food choices for ourselves on a daily basis during each meal.  

Buying organic foods, hormon-free products, et al. is an individual choice based on preference, budget, availabilty, and personal significance to each individual.  

It is of more importance to eat beneficial and neutral foods than to be overly concerned with spending too much money on a list of new products and/or buying only organic foods.

I encourage you to seek out what's available in your area and do the best that you can with the options available to you.  Check out or purchase CR4YT and/or browse throughout this website, the Recipe Index, the 'Bloggers' page for ideas on menus and creating recipes.

Alia


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Not sure were you live Jsshort ( sort of wish everyone on the board would put where they live under their shield)...

If you click on a members screen name it will take you to their profile where you can check to see if they filled in their location information. In the case of jsshort you will find that he lives in Florida.


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It may be different in the states and it may have changed slightly in the UK but, in the past, during 7 years of medical training only 4 HOURS was devoted to nutrition.  That is why the average GP doesn't think nutrition is that important.
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Hi jsshort, nice to meet you

It's a pain trying to find affordable food, yes indeed. Many of us have found it's just better to make your own stuff in some cases. I make my own ghee, almond or walnut butter, nut milks, trail mix, beef or turkey stocks, soups or stews, and so on. And you can raise your own produce to some extent--even if you live in a small apartment, you can grow salad greens and herbs on a sunny windowsill or under a grow light. If you have a patio that gets sunlight, you can do container gardening and grow everything from tomatoes to melons.

Organic is not a requirement, but most of us try to buy organic when we can, simply because the food is of better quality, and it's better for the planet to some degree. I buy organic whenever I can afford it and try to buy locally grown foods in season as well. It's a little more of an effort, but it's fun too. Just today I found a fantastic variety of apple that has already become my new favorite! My goal is to buy a small chest freezer and fill it with locally raised beef, lamb and turkey. It's going to take a while because I don't make much money, but with patience and planning it'll happen.

One thing the BTD will do--it will bring you back to eating fresh, live food that fills your body with energy and health. That requires a commitment to changing how you shop and cook. It takes time to get used to having perishable food around, but once you switch over, you'll never want to go back. And you will find ways to make your budget stretch a little farther.

Also, about the NAP supplements--if you find they are too pricey for you, don't buy them. The beauty of the BTD is that Dr. D designed it as a stand-alone way of eating. You can regain your health on the diet alone. I did and still do to a large extent.

The only way you'll know if this is the food plan for you is to give it a good run. 30 days minimum. As I said a couple of sentences ago, it is a real commitment--but you get optimum health back with it. I would never eat any other way now.

Read the books too, and decide for yourself. If you choose to stay with the BTD, come here and talk with us. Continue to vent--we all do it here--and talk to us about ups, downs, joys, frustrations, and so on.

Welcome to the board! I look forward to your posts.


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jsshort, you talk as if you haven't done any reading, studying, on this website....

everybody will have different health issues, but I know my improvements, and those of people around me, are definitely NOT placebo.

You are fortunate to feel okay to start with. Many of us here were suffering terribly when we found BTD, and our lives & outlooks have turned around.

Yes, the grocery bill got bigger, but the expense on prescriptions and "wrong" foods and junk dropped off 99%. The doctor visits decreased.

The BTDers on this site are from all economic levels, all religions, and all over the world - notice your first response was from Switzerland, our beloved Tomatilla Isa.

There are also books out there on the awful things wheat and general grain over-consumption does to us, which only back up and help explain the stuff I learn here.

If you're open to learning, this is one of the best places to be.


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Regarding "full doctor support",  I go to doctors when I need a diagnosis of some illness, or to get a women's annual exam.  They are not the place to go for nutritional advice because that is not their field of expertise.

Like Melissa, I have tried many different approaches to my health and nutrition, and I gave each of them a fair chance.  I was vegetarian for 25 years, and a couple of those years, I was eating raw foods only.  I followed the macrobiotic eating for about 4 years.  For about 1 1/2 years, I was trying the high protein diet, basically proteins and non-starchy vegetables.  I also practiced fasting and cleansing diets periodically for about a decade.

My health would appear to improve temporarily for a few months, and then would begin to evidence various turns for the worse.  Not that my health was awful, either.  I was a yoga instructor for 25 years, and was very fit.  But I didn't understand Deep Health, such as I've experienced in my 8 years of being on the BTD.

And as far as organic foods, that isn't a BTD principle as much as just common sense.  I'm not interested in polluting my body the way industry has polluted our waters and soil.  It's recommended for good health, but it isn't a blood type issue.

The Blood Type Diet as a financial drain?  I was 6 years into the diet before I even bought one of the books.  I used my local library for that service.  I was 7 years into the diet before I ever purchased one of the supplements from the blood type store.  It just wasn't relevant to me.  Now I buy many of the supplements because I have learned from experience that they are better quality than a lot of what is available elsewhere.  But it's not some kind of requirement.  



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In terms of the price of food…

Fascinating how generally people do not hesitate at buying pricey clothing, or cars or in hobbies and yet, they protest because food is expensive.

My husband’s family owns a banana plantation and the salaries paid has certainly attracted my attention. They are a joke. It is basically impossible to find labour as they all prefer to work on the better paying construction business.

The industry has support from the European economy and even with it, I am grateful we have other sources of income otherwise I would not be able to finance my internet connection. O well, gone are the days when I would work for the processed food industry and earn loads more.

I am constantly reminded of my first job. I used to work in the marketing department for one of the top 3 food multinational worldwide. While working there, the brand I worked for was suffering tremendous competitive pressure. I remember we would go to the head of R&D to ask for “better/cheapper” formulas and he constantly replied: “How am I to tell you people in marketing that we can not get gold out of expletive deleted.”

I am afraid this is what the western world has been aiming at for the last decades.

Having said this, I do get very frustrated and generally revert my decision to follow BTD when I see “healthy” people feeding themselves on “peanuts”. Ah! A good sweet café late with some good white wheat toast… any excuse will do.

In terms of the BTD… I’ll be back later. I am off for a delicious steak tartar.

BTW, I love this thread.


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jsshort, you talk as if you haven't done any reading, studying, on this website....



Kind of  have to second that - get reading!  Start with the tutorial...Enjoy!
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To everybody:
Point very well made.  I just wish there was a way to get my family to read this thread.  I'm sure I'm not the only one who receives gobs of criticizm from everyone around me because of my decision to be open-minded and accept what is the truth.  I've come to realize that the reason people shun the Blood Type Diet is that they're so set in their ways of eating and rationalizing what is "right", based on years of tradition and "that's the way it's always been", that it scares them to consider something new.  The fact is, doing what's right is harder than doing what's convenient or mainstream; be it following a religion, diet, company policy, etc.   Therefore, why bother the effort to try and understand something new when you can just point a finger like everyone else, not having to leave your zone of emotional security?   I'm a 22 yr old college student.  My passions include loud rock and expensive stereos, sportscars, and riding motorcycles.   However, I was not immune to the negative effects of eating nothing but pizza and ice cream every day for four years.  The BTD has let me overcome chronic indigestion, fatigue, allergies, asthma, and many of the same things people talk about here.   If this was not real, I would have collapsed under the criticism of my family and friends LONG ago, because carrying the stigma of "health freak" isn't exactly the cool thing to do at my age.  Anyhow, I just wanted to throw in my 2 pesos worth.  I also enjoyed reading all of the responses on this thread.  Thanks!


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One point that I don't think anybody has made is that when you follow the BTD you will be doing a lot more of your cooking from the basic ingredients and be eating out a lot less. You save money by avoiding over priced processed foods, Hamburger Helper comes to mind, and expensive resteraunt bills.
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Hi there!
I have a point to make to the whole conversation.
At the beginning I had the same problem.
I was thinking that all money I own will be spending on food.
BUT
There is a very good amount of money back in my pocket from all these foods
I don't buy any more. In fact I was spending more money before than now.
Also I am more careful of how much I buy. I don't like to see my beneficial food rot in the fridge any more.
And yes I do buy organic more and more.
Because what’s the point of eating beneficial which is packed in hormones, fertilizers and other poisons.
of course when not available I buy normal. But when I stir my soup I like to stir my soup no a chemical bomb.
A simple way of keeping my self in order. May not look at the beginning so simple but it is in the end.  
My point is (and that is my experience) that the money I save from cutting avoids I have enough to arrange my self around the beneficial and neutrals.

Now about the other matter good, true, honest or not. who can say? Only you.
Only us about our selves. Certain people, like Dadamo come around and talk to us about what they have discovered.
Believe them or not follow their instructions or not is a personal choice. We are living at the era of the information. Everything is out there.
What we need to do is to choose.  Hope and wish all of us to take the right decision for our lives.


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One point that I don't think anybody has made is that when you follow the BTD you will be doing a lot more of your cooking from the basic ingredients and be eating out a lot less. You save money by avoiding over priced processed foods, Hamburger Helper comes to mind, and expensive resteraunt bills.

hi gulfcoast guy
Beeees mind!!
You came a step ahead, but we were on the same track.


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Merry Christmas Ion!. You know we should really start a new B thread for 2007 since the old one seems to have died.
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Merry Christmas Ion!. You know we should really start a new B thread for 2007 since the old one seems to have died.


Golf coast guy may you have a nice chearful New Year.
I closely follow.  


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Not sure were you live Jsshort ( sort of wish everyone on the board
would put where they live under their shield).


Good suggestion Hopeful. If you make that into a thread of it's own, everyone would see and maybe hop on board.  I just PM'd someone and was wishing I knew that info as well.

erictm998, I have to say I am genuinely impressed by your post. Good for you for sticking to what you know is good for you, even tho it's not cool. You sound like a very level headed young man. I just wanted to commend you for your attitude.




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“You say "it works for me", but that is the evr present plecebo effect. What you believe will work.”


If that were true than the vegetarian diet would have worked for me, and the low-fat diet would have worked, too.  I believed in both when I gave them a concerted effort.  This is the ONLY diet that I have ever found sustainable, deeply nourishing and satisfying over the long haul.  Yet my Type A neighbor across the street almost never eats meat or fat and is doing great, as are several Type A co-workers I have (when you work at a blood bank, you know a lot of your co-workers’ blood types!).  This is not a placebo effect.  But if it were, I would say, hey, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

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“I fully believe that their "God" has made a body that can consume what is provided.”


What if what is provided is arsenic?  Or old lace?  Yours is the argument of “blind faith” that inspired a joke I love in which someone is in a flood and up on her roof waiting to be rescued.  A rescue vehicle comes along, but the person says “No thanks, God will provide.”  Then a boat comes along, but the person says “No thanks, God will provide”.  Then a helicopter comes along and the person says, “No thanks, God will provide.  Finally, the water rises up above the person’s head and she drowns, and up she goes to the pearly gates of heaven, and she goes (floats?) in, and there is God.  She says “I had faith in you, why didn’t you rescue me?”  And God says “Didn’t you see the truck, boat and helicopter I sent?”  What I’m saying is, faith is a great thing but we are also responsible for meeting God halfway and using our common sense and decision-making abilities.  We don’t just eat any old thing, some things are poisonous, etc.  We make choices.  The BTD just gives us a great tool in the form of scientific knowledge, so that we can make informed choices.  There is nothing unnatural or against faith in that.  Unless you want to say that all learning and scientific inquiry is anti-faith, ya know?  We are in the infancy of learning about human nutrition, and the more we learn, the more customized it is going to get, and the more we can make good choices.  The BTD is a pioneer theory in that endeavor.  Look at it as a helicopter sent by God.


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I am surrounded by Drs in my family and really don t care what they think cause I know they
don t have the slightest idea about nutrition.




And there you have it!!!  

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I am surrounded by Drs in my family and really don t care what they think cause I know they don t have the slightest idea about nutrition.


Amen!

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What if what is provided is arsenic?


This reminds me of my friend whose sister is always trying to get her to try this or that because it's 'natural'.  She finally told her "Arsenic is natural too, but you're not going to take that, are you?'  Hope that's not what's in all those natural flavorings we all try to avoid.    For the general publics' sake.




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I am surrounded by Drs in my family and really don t care what they think cause I know they
don t have the slightest idea about nutrition.

As I have said before, my older brother is a doctor. He is way over weight with a majority of it right around his middle, which we all know is very unhealthy. His diet is terrible and he won't listen to anything I have to say, because he is the "doctor".

I had knock-down-drag-out argument with him a few months ago about my mercury toxicity problem from my dental fillings. He followed the standard medical line about mercury dental fillings: "they do no harm".

Can you tell I don't normally go to him for medical advice!


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When it comes to your family, It's more than just sad, you're soaking in it!!!!
Once I can armtwist family members to start reading, their minds change....


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Once I can armtwist family members to start reading, their minds change....


Ahhhhhhh, is THAT what it takes................  Guess I'd best have my Wheaties then .

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As I have said before, my older brother is a doctor.  His diet is terrible and he won't listen to anything I have to say, because he is the "doctor".


Doesn't it just make ya wanna spit!!!!!!!!! My daughter is the same way....won't listen to me, won't even read a book, because the DR says otherwise. Never mind that doing BTD has helped several family members so far.  



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although I must admit that after 10 years my hub has been showing many signs of improvement in his diet choices.

for the past two years he has been off coffee, dairy, and almost no wheat or corn.

at least I haven t been buying those for a very long time, and he s fine with that.......
but I see he now chooses the right stuff even when we are out eating at a restaurant!

and he loves telling people what to eat according to their type ......as a Dr. he somehow has more 'authority', so to speak, and people actually listen!! lol

I just sit back and enjoy the conversation and watch peoples reactions......to what he is saying.......once he has the person 'trapped', he tells them to give me a call so I can explain things more in detail and eventually hand them a protocol according to their type.

I never thought I d be having this 'tandem' way of spreading the BTD theory!
It s fun!
but boy! did it take time for me to make my point!

my daughter on the other hand, follows her life style closely for the past 6 years, is convinced, and radiates health........she is in her 3rd year of med school and will guaranteed pass on her BTD experience to all her future patients, of that I am sure!

my son s another story, also in med school, but slowly adjusting, making better diet choices together with his dad!! hopefully by the time he s graduated, he too will pass this on to his patients.
all we can do is hope........water, water, water!! without drowning the seed, right?  


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Well, I've mentioned to you all how my sister has IBS (or something similar), the 'phews constantly have ear infections and colds, and last I heard, the one 'phew is undergoing a battery of tests because of digestive probs he is having, including a test for celiac.  Years ago, I sent my sister ER4YT.  It was when I heard she was dealing with IBS.  I followed up later several times by asking if she had read it, saying "because I really think it could help", and got some vague response.  They all think my diet is completely flaky, especially my BIL (but then, he also told me he wakes up every day and thanks God that Bush was declared the winner of the 2000 election, so thar ya go with his opinion on things--he is a great guy in many ways, but politically, he and I are NOT simpatico...and apparently our ideas on diet are not in sync either).

Anyway, I figure I've given them the book, received no response.  Talked to them about the diet a little.  Flatline.  So now I just don't say anything and if they come to me about it, I'll be happy to tell them about it.  Otherwise, they can stick with their diet of wheat, corn syrup, sugar and transfats, and their health protocol of doctors and prescriptions.  I just feel bad for my nephews as far as their diet, their health issues (which I think are inextricably related), and the fact that their well-meaning parents have a total disconnect about same.


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Hello jsshort (John?)I do hope that you have had a chance to read the introductory chapter of at least one of the books by now - you can borrow them from public lending libraries I would hope.
I find that understanding the blood type theory, especially to do with the lectins, is a solid basis for accepting why certain foods are beneficial and others avoid even when they are closely related such as oranges and lemons.
Funny that you should raise the question of placebo effects- I've been thinking of that this week too. So what if that is an added benefit?
But anyway, to digress, I was donating blood the other day, and the nurse was talking about what she had made for lunch. It sounded so much like an A type meal that I dared to ask her what blood group she was. She did a double take and said "Oh I know why you are asking that, I read that book 6 years ago, and have been following it ever since." Her response to my question about how she had found the book was interesting. She had been working in a medical clinic where a stream of patients were appearing with the book under their arms, praising its benefits. They
claimed to be successfully dealing with all the usual medical problems such as blood pressure, diabetes etc. etc. It's really interesting that some people take to BTD like a lightbulb flashing off
in their heads, and others follow an inquiring, rational, testing path. You must make this decision for yourself. My gut feeling is that it is the truth because of the benefits I see in myself after 4 years of re-educated eating, but no-one can prove it except you yourself. You could always wait until an inevitable disease of ageing creeps up on you, and then test it. (slap hand, that's mean, Jenny)

Cheerio,
Jenny
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