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jsshort
Saturday, December 30, 2006, 2:00am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Okay, started the house cleaning and went to grocery store, a Publix (the best around here, very few HFS's without lots of miles) and one thing I have to say....WHY CAN'T WE FIND A WAY TO EAT RIGHT WITHOUT COSTING SO MUCH MONEY!? Why can't someone say, well, uh, peanuts are healthy? My gosh, as an O with peanuts and it's butter out, and a recommended almond butter @ $15 a small jar, and Ezekial bread @over $5 a loaf, what gives? Not to mention organic this and that. I mean really, what gives? Is it all tied to what makes more money for those recomending this stuff. Don't call me a critic, just maybe a serious doubter. I have seeminigly fallen for this "healthy" diet thing for countless types of very costly programs that are really just pocket emptiers! Where does it all end? I know you will all answer back that HERE is the end, but how do I know. I have done some research and seen where this diet is questionable among other doctor types. I mean seriously, could everything be so bad that we are dieing at the age of, what, 70 or so by eating bacon and gravey forever? I must have to have more scientific proof of the existence of a "superior" diet before I attempt to go for it. I mean, really, nuts are nuts, peanut butter, cheap, almond butter $15.99 per 6 ounce jar, somebodies lining thier pockets on our gullibleness! I really wanted totry this thing, but my gosh, I am 45, very close to 46 and have no problems that I can think of, just thought I could do better and now I am broke and thinking I wasn't doing too bad before. Example: Why is wheat bad for everyone but is touted by all as being the WAY to go for health? My lord, nothing in the grocery store is without wheat or it's gl;uten in it and if you "think" that it is bad for you then you are apying $10 for pasta that should be $1. Come on now, lets just be sensible about htis whole "diet" thing! If it's all for real, then I guess it's only the rich that will survive past thieir 80's, but at that age, who cares! I really am fed up with more than just "avoid foods".
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Oh, by the way, I am still giving this a shot. I am just venting and have no one else around now to gripe at! But I really do doubt these claims until it becomes more mainstream. If it is for real, why aren't doctors everywhere jumping on this wagon if their code is to help in our health? If they are ignoring REAL science, isn't a code of ethics thing going on and we can start a line to the lawyers office? Then we may be able to afford to eat the way we are supposed to, blood type or not!
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listen, I live in Mexico and there s no fancy stuff down here to buy.

just buy vegetables, fruit, meat, poultry and fish as well as compliant legumes and grains and
you re good to go!

this is no money making scheme believe me, it is just what s right for your genetic makeover.

I would never think of eating any other way, and I sincerely hope you consider doing what s right for you.

the recipe base has a myriad of great recipes to make just about anything from scratch!


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Lola, so you do not eat organic? That is the underlining I get here is that every thing has to be organic, natural, the way "God" intended. If it was just fruits and veggies, then, hey, I am in there. But when you are limited so much, from that I mean that you are eating the same things day in and day out, no real change. I am not saying Dr D is making money off this scheme, and this diet may be for REAL, but ther are so many out there that say theirs is the way, a it just seems that there is some sort of "side bar" motivation. The plecibo effect if you will. I was feeling pretty good following the prior program, vegan with regular fasting. I guess I should stop searching at some point!
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It's gotten better...and more mainstream.  I can now buy some compliant foods at Costco...I've even heard tale of almond butter there, though I haven't found any at mine.  Rice noodles used to be horrible, and just as expensive as they are now.  As the demand increases for wheat-free and purer foods, they do become more available.

Produce isn't that expensive, for what you get, and there's always rice and compliant beans...

I gave it a try, and it worked for me...so whatever the authorities say or popular thinking is, this is what works for me when nothing else does.  Food pyramid certainly didn't work for me...why do we listen to the Department of Agriculture about what we should eat, we might as well listen to the Department of Lard, I'm sure fat would be the base of the food pyramid then.  I'd be happy if they just put an asterisk by the food pyramid saying "results may vary, some people get sick from overconsumption of grains"  Ha, that'll never happen.  They sell us on the food that they have a surplus of: wheat and corn.


Type O+ blogger, secretor afterall. Gluten intolerant. With two gluten intolerant sons:  A+ Secretor 10 yo (also fructose intolerant and slightly egg allergic), and  O- 7yo.
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Oh, for noodles and rice flour, check out an asian market, their prices are much better.


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I am surrounded by Drs in my family and really don t care what they think cause I know they
don t have the slightest idea about nutrition.


all I can say is that I've been following this lifestyle for the past 10 years and have never looked back down here in 'tortilla-taco land'!!! lol

organic stuff is scares, but I know I m better off eating what there is instead of avoids.....
produce is abundant and there are a lot of fruit and vegetable varieties to choose from apart from all protein sources.

I have learned to make practically everything from scratch, thanks to all the wonderful people here participating and sharing their recipes.

I can t complain cause I enjoy every meal I create.

hospitals are packed with diabetics, pharmacies are at a boom and so are insurance companies!
makes you wonder just how healthy whole wheat and corn derivatives really are, doesn t it?






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I am not bagging anyone here, but please, let me vent. You say "it works for me", but that is the evr present plecebo effect. What you believe will work. That is the gracious thing about the human body. We can dump stuff into it that is not tolerable and what does it do? Tolerate it! I do agree we have to eat and do better, I mean really, Mac D's has taken over and if you all haven't been to the toy section of Wal-Mart latley, you can tell. Our off spring has SPRUNG and all we can do is go work more hours and try to make ends meet. When our bodies break down and all looks bleak, or doctors are no help and what we do is hit the web! Wow, what info we find, and all of it works for someone! We need something better is all I am saying.....John trying not to be too synical.
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John,  I understand what you're saying and where you're coming from.  I do not have any major medical problems and started the BT lifestyle (Aug 2006) because I hope to give myself the very best chance at healthy aging.  My Mom had her thyroid irradiated in her 50s (I turned 50 last month) and my father and younger (4 years)brother both have type 2 diabetes.  You say that those of us who feel this way of life is a benefit may be experiencing a "placebo effect".  I'm sure it may be true in some cases, but how is that a bad thing?  Lower BP. increased energy, weight loss, elimination of digestive problems (and many other improvements)  have been experienced by BT followers.  This may not be the "scientific evidence" you require to stick with this lifestyle but what was it about the BTD that made you look at it as a possible answer?  For me, it was a nagging that would not go away that this made sense.  And, although there are products on this website that you can buy, you can do this without purchasing this or that "cure", "miracle product" or popping a pill. Yes, organics are expensive.  I don't buy everything organic.  I can't afford to.  I buy organic butter because toxins are stored in the fat and I know that those toxins will be concentrated in my ghee.  I have learned to identify which products it makes the most sense to spend the extra money on and which I will "make do" with from reading this site and the links that many knowledgable posters provide.  I hope you will stick with the BTD.  Many great and transforming ideas were not thought very highly of by the establishment when first conceived but later were proven to be true (think Chris Columbus here).  The web in truly full of info, some not worth the time it takes to read it.  Only you know what feels right for you.  Hopefully, you'll give the BTD a real chance to show you how good it is!
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Okay, lost last transmission. Wow, got sore fingers and all! All I am saying is that without "Full" doctor support and proof, why should we believe anything written about a diet particular to a blood type. If there are those out ther that are "religious" then I fully believe that their "God" has made a body that can consume what is provided.  What I do whole heartedly believ is that boxed, canned and other processed foods are not that which is provided. I do believe in natural foods, not necessarly organic, but good wholesome foods are best for our bodies. I am not a "religious" person, but I do believe that what has been provided and feels ggod to eat, then is good. If I eat a piece of pork and throw up, then I say that was bad meat. If I eat it again and throw up, it is a bad source of food and will not eat any more. And so on with all foods. If it tastes good, eat it, if it doesn't, don't. If it makes you feel bad after consumption, also stop eating it. For goodness sake, I cannot fathom an apple being bad for any one, no matter what thier darned blood type is! Or a bananna, or an orange, or a potato, or a tomato, etc.
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Hi jsshort and firstly welcome to the forums, even if I am a little late.

This is the RIGHT place to vent your feelings and discuss how you see BTD. We are if nothing very open minded although a lot of us are fervent advocates of BTD.

I also do not have access to very much organic products/produce so I do the best I can. I cannot afford to buy organic dried fruit, not only is it too expensive the quality is quite frankly garbage.

The BTD is all about balance - you do the best you can within your budget and what is available to you. Become a label reader. It is better to buy a product that has one less "avoid" in it, change the things you use gradually - no one says this change will happen overnight. I for instance when starting looked in the cupboard and said - OK I use cornflour what can I use as a substitute: Arrowroot. Same price. Freely available and not an avoid - Hey a Start!!!!!

BTD also does not claim to be a cure-all. That is the beauty of it it is still evolving.

You say you are 45 and still ok health-wise. All the more reason to start looking and assessing your situation. Will you still be healthy in ten years. Maybe a little cheap insurance policy is needed.

My Type A husband and I have been following BTD for over 7 years and the last year he has become sick. Fortunately we have now found out what the problem is and I am happy to say he is on the road to recovery. Instead of thinking that BTD has not helped I feel it has made him, and I stronger to help us fight this illness.

Please stick with us, read, learn, post and argue with us...

Regards,
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John...yes I know where you are coming from too. Especially being in the royal nonnie club. I can't even fill up on the grains for the secretors. Meat, veggies and some fruits. Have to watch the sugar levels there. I try and buy organic when I can...if I can... either due to availablity or funds. Bananas...always organic. Butter too, like Mare eo/Mary. If I don't buy organic I make sure I wash the veggies and fruits thoroughly. Yes...I still wash them if they are organic.   Never know when a birdy could fly over.  

They are selling us cheaper stuff loaded with wheat and corn because it is just that... cheap... and they can make alot of money doing it. They don't care if we are healthy as long as they are getting our money into their pockets.

And...why alot of doctors (not all...some are lucky enough to have one that is or is starting to believe in BTD) are not pushing this way of life...their jobs would become obsolete for the most part.

And...vent all you like...we are here for you either way. Do keep it up and see the results. For me...there is no going back. I am not saying I have not eaten avoids over the past four and a half years for I have and when I do...it takes me a long time to feel healthy again. Lots of luck to you.

Debra


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John, Go ahead and vent now, but read the books when you get them. I think once you understand the science behind the BTD you will calm down somewhat.

If you want cheap food buy the agribusiness junk that is made from wheat and corn, but that does not mean that they are not making a lot money selling that cheap food. If you want food that is good for you then buy fresh produce and clean lean meats. You don't have to buy organic, but organic is better for you, particularly try to buy antibiotic and hormone free meats and if possible from animals that have been grass-fed or pasture-raised.

If you want to get mad at anyone you should be mad at our Government, agribusiness, the medical establishment, pharmaceutical companies, etc. They have sold us all out for money. Don't expect the BTD to become mainstream for a long time. Major shifts in scientific thought takes a long time. You will probably will have to wait for the current generation of science leaders to die off and for a younger generation to accept the new principles as valid. Unfortunately, science progress is filled with examples of this having to occur. If you stick with this you can be thankful that you found it. As I tell my sons all the time the BTD will give them a huge advantage in life, school, work, family, and at least in the long run financially.

By the way I can get a 16 oz bottle of almond butter for $9 at my local Kroger grocery store and for less when it goes on sale. You may want to do some of your shopping online if you don't have any good local stores or make the drive once every month or two to some better stores, particularly once you figure out what you want and like because then you can buy in quantity to stock up. Actually, I sometimes think that eating this way may actually be cheaper, because I buy so many fewer processed food products. Processed food products are where the money is at for agribusiness companies. I also think I need less food because the food I am eating is so much more nutritious for my body.

I started the BTD hoping it would solve my sinus problems (which it eventually did, 98% so far) so why did my knee joints improve and my anxiety went away in a matter of a couple of weeks and so many other health problems improved that weren't even really on my radar? I don't think that was a placebo effect. One thing the BTD has taught me, and I consider this one of the most valuable lessons, is that I have a lot more power and control over my health then I ever thought before. I have also learned along the way that there is a big difference between being fit and being healthy. I was extremely fit before I started the BTD, but I found out that I was also not very healthy.


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jsshort, welcome to BTD and the forums!!
IMHO, you are certainly justified re: being aggravated over the cost of healthier foods. It aggravates me too. I was just talking to a friend of mine about that this evening. Yes, I do believe these companies are holding us hostage because we want to eat healthier. Yes, I do believe it costs more to raise organic fruits/veggies or humanely grown meat w/o antibiotics and hormones, but really, does it need to cost the prices they are charging? Are they price gouging? I think so. But am I going to stop buying the better food? No way. We just have to shop around and find the best prices. The people on this forum are always looking out for one another in that regard, so I feel very fortunate in that way. If we can afford organic, great, if not, we do the best we can. The only other option I see, is to raise our own meat, veggies and fruits and realistically, most of us cant.
I look at it this way. I can spend my money buying better quality food or I can spend it at the doctors and on medicine. Unfortunately, its that simple and those are our 2 choices, IMHO.  
BTD is by no means a scheme or a money making, pocket emptying program.  Seriously, doing BTD costs no more than having internet access. Dr D has very graciously provided us the Typebase4 to check any foods he has researched. We have the forums to communicate anything (within the forum guidelines) we wish w/ each other. He gives us all this for free. Yes, he does have supplements we can buy, but on the other hand, its not necessary to do BTD. In the first mth of my starting BTD, my daily migraines and sinus headaches, all sinus issues, all digestive issues (from top to bottom) and all arthritis like symptoms disappeared. I took no supplements, I only followed (to the letter) the guidelines in the Eat Right for Your Type book (ER4YT). And I did not eat organic. ( I do now, as much as I can, but at first I did not). So the only thing it cost me was the ER4YT book and the food I was eating. Everything else, all the help, the support, the extra information (beyond my wildest dreams), was provided to me on this site, for free. By the graciousness of Dr. D.  
 You say you have done some research and seen where this diet is questionable among other doctor types. I have seen the same research from the other doctor types. What is best for you can only be determined by you. How do you determine this? By giving it a real shot, for, say at least a month. Do it 100%. Avoid the avoids. Load up on the beneficials, fill in w/ the neutrals. But make your beneficials be on what you concentrate. You have to make the decision for yourself. There are loads of testimonials on this site and believe me, when I first started, I was not impressed the least bit by them. What I was impressed by, was the difference I felt in myself by having given it a real try. Then, I was impressed by the testimonials and added my own.
 You say you are 45 and have no real health problems. Funny thing, I thought that too. I was just so adjusted to all of my this and that, that I really hadnt realized I had so many problems. Re: wheat for your blood type (BT), it is probably the worst food. Wheat, bread, pasta didnt the gov recommend us to eat this because its low in fat. We did. Look how overweight Americans are. All you have to do is look around when youre at Walmart. Its amazing. At least it amazes me how overweight America has become. Add to this that we dont drink the amount of water we should, nor do we get the amount of sleep we should, and actually we have created for ourselves a recipe for disaster and disease.  All w/o even realizing we are doing so.
You ask why aren't doctors everywhere jumping on this wagon if their code is to help in our health?  Id say, the almighty dollar is standing in their way. If we are well, off whom do they then make their money? Now you may call me a critic or synic.  Personally, I have no doubt that most drs have no clue about nutrition, nor do they care to learn. It wont make their Mercedes pmt, or the $5,000 a mth house pmt. Keeping us sick, keeps them rich. I feel like I can say that from first hand experience. My mom has been sick for many years. Since learning of BTD and all the things that naturally seem to come w/ it, I have learned how to look at the way her doctors handle her. They do blood tests, but do nothing w/ the horrendous results. They just let her keep getting sicker. Only by the grace of BTD and God is she still w/ us. Her drs dont give a hoot. Heck how much time do you get w/ a dr these days. They book 2 patients for every 15 min, in case one cancels. Thats why we sit in the waiting rooms for hours and spend 5-10 min w/ the dr when we finally get seen. Its atrocious!  
If what you believe will work, would work, trust me, Id be eating pasta and bread non-stop. Love it, it doesnt love me. Creates lots of  havoc. IMHO, I think you will see this too once you give it up, even if only for a month.  Yes, our bodies will tolerate what we dump into it, but only for so long. Sort of like the dripping water into a cup one drip too much and the cup runneth over. So do our bodies, its just a matter of when.  
Im glad to hear you are going to try it. Please buy the foods you can truly afford so youre not stressed out about that. Stress all by itself can foil your efforts. Stay here w/ us on the boards, get the encouragement if you feel you need it, ask questions, learn. The forum is a great place to be. There are many wonderful people here. What you will learn will make your head spin. Unless you have a photographic memory, youll never retain it all. Thats what they created bookmarking for.  Save, save, save the information. It is always useful down the road.
Once again, welcome and we all look forward to your future posts.




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Thanks Sue! But when you came to the decision to follow BTD, what if you follwed a Vegan regime and all worked fine, would you feel the same? If you did try other things and they didn't work, then that makes this more pliable. I have really only tried the "tried and true" whole grains, lean meat, soy products instead of dairy, etc. I have not been totally unsatisfied, I just thought there were better ways. I found the Bragg Healthy Life Style and never really fully emersed myself in it before finding this. Now I wish there would have been more time between the two discoveries, as both have "HUGE" merit in my mind. I really feel lost in a world where I feel that the doctors should have more knowlege of, not just some, but all! Don't doctors have to get together at some sort of seminar and discuss their thoughts/findings and all come together in some sort of agree-ance? If not, we are at the mercey of all those with degree's to do with us as they will. If you ask me, that is where we are at! One Dr who gets a bonus from those in the wheat business sayes wheat products are good and gets a kick back. Another Dr with friends in the Yam world says you can't live a day witout consuming at least one yam, you got it, kickbak. It is all about the $$$ and if you don't htink this site is about the same thing, see the "products for sale"section. Everyone may not have to have them, or may not buy them. but someone does and it is apalling to me that we are funding this continued "research". Where, oh where does it end?
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I have done some research and seen where this diet is questionable among other doctor types.


Here's something to consider:

http://www.dadamo.com/fao/smartfaq.cgi?answer=1075372220

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FREQUENTLY ASSERTED OBJECTIONS

See Also:

Clarifications and Updates | Frequently Asked Questions

Make sure that you carefully evaluate the source of the criticism before you believe it.

Virtually all the criticisms of the Blood Type Diet which can be read on the internet are the result of partisan politics, usually in the form of an opposing nutritional system or belief.

Not one of these criticisms is founded on any type of scientific evaluation of Dr. D'Adamo's work or a review of the existing science literature on the human blood groups. In fact, most critics would appear to know very little about the subject matter they are criticizing.

Keys to evaluating material critical to the Blood Type Theory:

1. Is it science-based, or just the postulations of a spokesman for an opposing system threatened by its conclusions?

2. Does the critic display a convincing knowledge of the human ABO groups? We've found that many critics of Dr. D'Adamo's work have never actually read any of his books, nor have they taken the time to investigate the theory with an open mind.

3. Does the criticism appear fair and balanced? Is the critic curious about what they are investigating? It is OK to be skeptical, but a surprising amount of skeptics have absolutely no curiosity about that which they are skeptical of.



Unfortunately, you will not find another person in books or on the internet who knows as much as Dr. D does about blood type.  He's been studying it for well past 25+ years.  Every critic I have ever read about the BTD did not even have the rudimentary knowledge that I do about this new way of eating.

Ask them about lectins and they will say that they are unimportant or that they are ALL destroyed by cooking, and that is blantantly not true.  You have to wonder, how could one size of eating fit all of us, when there is a remarkable amount of scientific evidence in the literature that shows the different blood types have different levels of intestinal alkaline phosphotase in their systems!  This is an enzyme that is critical in the digestion of fats.  How interesting.  Scientists have known this for over 40 years.  It's been proven in research study after research study.  Here is something that is so basic....digestion of fats.....and the blood types have different levels of this enzyme in their bodies.  Could this be a clue that, the different blood types will have different dietary needs regarding fats because they produce different levels of this critical enzyme?

But do doctors pay attention to this when designing diets?  No!  They want to give a standard one size fits all answer.

There are literally 5,000+ self reported results in the ResultsBase, of individuals who reported a signifigant improvement in a bodily system (cardiovascular, immune, etc.) just from trying the BTD.  Go look and read what they say.

If you are frustrated because you're not finding low cost foods without a bunch of cr@p and avoids in them, we hear you!  We have the same problem too.  It's a constant search to try to find commercially prepared food that is compliant for us.

But you know what?  We search it out, and we often pay more for better food because.....

Our health is worth it.



Knowledge is power.  SWAMI gives you the diet that will unlock the key to better health, and it's all based on your unique individuality.
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 One Dr who gets a bonus from those in the wheat business sayes wheat products are good and gets a kick back. Another Dr with friends in the Yam world says you can't live a day witout consuming at least one yam, you got it, kickbak. It is all about the $$$

You just described the FDA.

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and if you don't htink this site is about the same thing, see the "products for sale"section. Everyone may not have to have them, or may not buy them. but someone does and it is apalling to me that we are funding this continued "research". Where, oh where does it end?

I gladly support Dr. D and his work. He has improved my health and has given me one of the most important things I could pass on to my sons the knowledge of the BTD for a tiny fraction of the cost I spent on medical bills prior to learning about the BTD. I wish I could afford to contribute more to the research effort.

I have not taken any medication in the five years I have been on the BTD nor have I had to see any doctors for any reason other then the mercury toxicity I am dealing with due to my mercury dental fillings. My sons and I get sick much less often and much less severely. What is that worth?



FIFHI; ISTP;
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we are at the mercey of all those with degree's to do with us as they will. If you ask me, that is where we are at!It is all about the $$$ and if you don't htink this site is about the same thing, see the "products for sale"section. Everyone may not have to have them, or may not buy them. but someone does and it is apalling to me that we are funding this continued "research". Where, oh where does it end?


Yes, IMHO, unless we educate ourselves, we are at the mercy of the drs, gov, and big pharm. Their only interest is in making money. Just take a look at the 'fixer' meds, then take a look at the side effects. Heck, most of them are worse than for what you are originally taking the med!!
I have to disagree about this site being about making money. If it were, would there be so much free info here. Dr D is not obligated to make it accessible to us for nothing. The supplements for sale here are for those that have circumstances, sicknesses, disease that need special 'attention'. These supplements are made specifically for each blood type or w/o junk added. How many supplements on the common market can you say that about?
I for one, have no problem whatsoever funding this continued research if I choose to buy my supplements from Dr D.  I don't think he has the government handing him money for research, as do the big pharms and others, so I think he has to have help from somewhere. I am glad to lend mine. As someone mentioned in another post, if you give BTD a real try, you will only be glad you did.



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What you believe will work.


To a point.

There's a saying: "Wherever a person wants to go, he is led there".

Led by whom? Never mind. It's true and too tough. You get assistance for anything you truly choose. When I choose let's say to fool myself, my body, my self and my body will 'cooperate' and fool me back! Will you call this gracious? Accordingly, you can't sue anyone for ignorance or for following his conviction! It's a free choice all the way. When I first purchased and read Eat Right 4 Your Type I put it away on a remote bookshelf for 3 or 4 years. I was vegetarian and didn't want to hear anymore about it. Then I resumed fish. Then someone very dear called me and asked me to read to her aloud from this book. Then I told myself, wait a minute, this may be it, I'm gonna do it right now. I hope I'm on time, I have no way to tell. I repeat my other post, the outstanding improvements which occur immediately are more than proofs, they are essential for encouraging me to be more and more attentive. You don't build a diet in a week, or a month. There's got to be a commitment and investment, and you'd better give yourself some time to make it your own.

The stream: I'm a loner, for me this stream is vast as the Danube, it's an enough wide a stream for me, I am a happy fish. There's vast knowledge here, Dr. D's and the participants', and as PT told you, there's yet more to be published soon.

Yes, and I work in a hospital. I see how innocent people, younger and older, suddenly crush. There's no insurance, just your ability to listen, to study, to search in order to reach. You said "I guess I should stop searching at some point!". Never, my friend, not as long as you live!





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You don't know, but we do, that Dr. D has turned down every massive $$$$ offer to go "mainstream" and put his name on products.  He's not about making a killing in the market with his name on every shake or food product.  That's why Dr. D develops his own products.  He wants something that he can feel confident in offering to his patients.  Yep.  That's right.  Dr. D actually has an active practice, he actually sees patients.  When was the last time the nutrition guru Andrew Weil saw a patient?  
N E V E R.

You don't know, but we do, that at one time, Dr D developed a protein "snack" bar for each of the four blood types.  This was before Live Right and secretor status came out.  Lo and behold, after a time, the manufacturer was substituting ingredients in the bars.  He was cutting corners, to make his production cheaper, and the bars were not as originally designed.  Not compliant anymore.  Dr. D pulled the bars from production, and went to work on redesigning the bars so that he could make one that was compliant for all types.  He actually didn't have a blood type compliant bar on the market for well over a year; more like two.  Sure, he could have gone after the bucks and kept selling the poor quality stuff to make money, but, you know what? He didn't.  He has integrity.

There is one thing I totally respect about Dr. D, and that's his genuine concern for the people who come here for help, and his integrity.  I think it would be a good exercise for you to find out more of what Dr. D is about.  Read his BLOG for some revelations about the man.


Knowledge is power.  SWAMI gives you the diet that will unlock the key to better health, and it's all based on your unique individuality.
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Transition is difficult but other options may be available to you such as community supported agriculture.  Here's an online CSA locator and information about them:  http://www.biodynamics.com/csa.html

Some areas have year round farmer's markers, other areas only have them during spring/summer/fall.  You can buy direct or in a buying club.  
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But when you came to the decision to follow BTD, what if you follwed a Vegan regime and all worked fine, would you feel the same? If you did try other things and they didn't work, then that makes this more pliable. I have really only tried the "tried and true" whole grains, lean meat, soy products instead of dairy, etc. I have not been totally unsatisfied, I just thought there were better ways.


I tried other ways, and they didn't work.  I certainly thought they would work, I certainly hoped they would work.  The reverse was true when I tried BTD, I didn't think it would work and I hoped it wouldn't (though I wanted something to work).  So, after following the food pyramid to a T and gaining weight and illness, and after trying progressively more calorie restriction to lose weight, and gaining weight and illness...I tried BTD.  It worked in ways I hadn't imagined it would.

If you look through the research on this site, you'll see the scientific references and backing, loads more than any other diet book I've come across...but I'd read Dr. D.'s books first to get a foundation of how it all fits.  And always feel free to toss out your questions (and frustrations) here!





Type O+ blogger, secretor afterall. Gluten intolerant. With two gluten intolerant sons:  A+ Secretor 10 yo (also fructose intolerant and slightly egg allergic), and  O- 7yo.
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I have to respond to this year end newbie vent. First of all welcome and good health to you! That also goes out to All! The red pill or the blue pill? which will it be? Don't worry so much about your choices all the time. Just consider your options and simply listen to your body as you make the food part of you by eating it. You are a hunter gatherer go hunt and gather. You sound as though you have already made fairly good choices for a few years. You are ahead of the curve. Results are possibly more subtle for you. My big awareness came when I read in one of the books about the gradual degradation of the kidney -literally clogging up the functioning surface area. typical fate of the long time healthy types: kidney failure. In this world old age means less functional equipment. Read up on the kidney and how it supports all the other systems in the body. Then put two and two together and realize that an accumulation of lectin abuse, after a lifetime of standard fare has so degraded the average kidney that the critical support is no longer there when needed the most. I have begun to look at things regarding diet so much differently since really jumping into the BTD two years ago. This forum has made the most lasting impression on this new outlook. (thanks folks, you know who you are) I really don't have the emotional and the intellectual aspects in line yet. In practice I've embraced avoiding wheat , corn and potatoes and as many mystery souces of these as possible. In my first year these made such a difference in how my back felt in the morning and when going to bed that I was on board right there within weeks after starting. I tried substitutes for the avoid grains at first and have since really let them slip from my mind mostly. Veggies are the base of my pyramid and some kind of red meat usually bison is in the mix along with fruit and nuts. I get fish when I can and poultry now and then to enjoy with others at the table but food is so simple now as I look at it as body fuel and not mouth candy.Happy New Year!
Iemnli


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Jsshort, you will jump in right at the deep end and splash out on lots of organic foods...and then complain about it  

How about not aiming for 100% compliance at this point but easing yourself into the regime?  

How about just losing the wheat and corn for a start...

How about not worrying about organic food at all - if you have not focused on it before...

How about making your own nut butter - very simple process!  

How about bulk buying food that is on special offer (nuts for instance!)...

How about looking for inspiration in Susanne Graham's (blogger) archives...she firmly believes in economy as well as health...

How about thinking of BDT as a framework and adopting it to your circumstances/body's needs etc.  

My point - use the guidelines as your starting point for a journey to long-term health - not as a black and white set of instructions that have to be followed to the T...I am not saying eat lots of wheat and you'll be ok if you also eat lots of beef - you won't.  But within the framework there is a lot of scope for finding your own BTD!  

Most importantly have fun with it...

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Not sure were you live Jsshort ( sort of wish everyone on the board would put where they live under their shield)...go to membercenter on top right corner, click onto profile information under Edit information. Click and then you will see personal message at the bottom of the page. Fill in your location-Country, city ect... and save.
Anyway I don't have a Whole foods ( YET!) but our big chain grocery stores like " Real Canadian Superstore" have a pretty great selection of organic produce and cheap surprisingly. Yes Melissa I have purchased both Organic Almond and Organic Peanut butter ( Maranatha brand) from Costco, a huge jar for $ 12.99..even our local safeway is selling organic sprouted grain breads. People are demanding it. Still can't find any produce grow it ! You'd be surprised what you can grow even in small spaces. And while your planting and tending..your reducing your stress, teaching your children and saving money WIN WIN.
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