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jsshort
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Hi all, I have gotten huge amounts of info on my last thread, "Who's Right #2" but I still have so many questions. I just came from the book store where I looked through the O-type diet and it really is very restrictive, especially for an endurance athlete. Where does the carbs come from that I can eat for energy? If wheat is a no-no, and all beans and dairy products are out as well, along with p-nut butter, my gosh, I just cannot grasp how I could be able to do an Ironman distance race eating like an O. This O type diet is eerily like the Adtkins thing of zero carbs and lots of proteins. I tried that and felt literally like c**p after only 4 days. My daily run mileage dropped to less than 3 miles before I just couldn't trudge another inch. My bike times were evn worse, I could barely keep it rolling. As for the swim, I just quit because I did not have the energy and drowning became a possibility. After 3 weeks I returned to eating carbs and was back to normal the next day. I understand that the wheat thing is bad, but there has got to be something that'll work for endurance athletes?
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The type O BTD is not a super low carb diet. It is just that you need to eat the right carbs for your blood type, such as the OK fruit and higher carb vegetables. You can eat some grains, but you are better off getting most of your carbs from other sources.

The other thing is you do need to give your body some time to improve its capability to burn fat. I think my cycling improved on the BTD. What really amazed me was how I could do a long hard pull at the front, drop back a place or two and rest briefly, do another long hard pull at the front, and do that over and over again.

I think that almond butter tastes much better than peanut butter. You can also get walnut butter, pumpkin seed butter, hazelnut butter, and tahini (sesame seed butter).

Not all beans/legumes are avoids for type O. There are actually several beneficial and super beneficial beans/legumes. However, they should not be eaten too often.

I would be careful about trying to say that the Atkins diet is the same as the BTD. They really are quote different.


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have all the beans and grains appropriate for your type!
wheat is in no way the only grain available, you know?

all you need to do is substitute 'right', and you ll be fine!

there are a great number of recipes on line, on 'recibase'.


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Great beneficial high carbs you can have (if you're a secretor).

Grain: Max of six servings per week.
Essene (manna bread)

Vegetables:  Unlimited servings
Sweet potoatoes, pumpkin, turnips

There are quite a few more beneficials for Type O's, but those are the ones that have the most carbs that I could think of, consulting the book LIVE RIGHT 4 YOUR TYPE.

The thing with Type O's, is we can have lots of fat to use for energy.  In fact, we should drizzle fat (olive oil, ghee) on all our meat that we eat after it's cooked.  It helps to digest the meat, and helps so many other metabolic fuctions for us.

MoDon's correct.  When you start eating as a Type O, and incorporate the beneficials so that they compose the majority of your diet you will start utilizing fat for energy vs carbs.




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this is why i stopped working out or at least doing it so often. i used to weigh a lot more than i do now and it LOOKED like that too...all in muscle. i had some iron in me! but did not feel good. even though peanut butter and bana sandwiches gave me some muscle room and energy to rip through walls (figure of speech, cant actualy rip through walls) it still did not feel that great. so i gave it up and came here.

i think you might have to make a choice.
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[quote=KimonoKat]Great beneficial high carbs you can have (if you're a secretor).

Grain: Max of six servings per week.
Essene (manna bread)

I just looked for a recipe for Essene bread and its only ingredient is wheat berries, I swear thats the thing that is taboo with us O's, so what gives?
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Answering my own question here. I guess sprouted wheat, or any sprouted grain is okay, well maybe not any, but it seems the sprouting process does something to change the characteristics of the wheat grain to make it safe for us O's. I have found that "Food For Life" brand sells all types of breads safe and good. Ezekial, and many rice breads that are wheat and gluten free.
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Yes, you are correct. Sprouting does destroy the troublesome component, the lectin, of wheat, and in some cases other foods. You can read about lectins in the first 3 entries in the BTD FAQ.


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There are some compliant breads you can buy at the HFS.  Always check ingredients before buying.

But I don't know if you've really groked what MoDon and I have said.  That your body will change from using a high intake of carbs for energy, to using fat, and it will be much for efficient for your Type O body to do that.


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jsshort, you ask very good questions that I'm sure are helpful to all newbies reading your threads, not just you, so thanks for your great contributions thus far!

MoDon is so right, it isn't that we can't have foods that are high in carbs, it is that we have to be sure to choose the RIGHT foods for our type.  For O's, good sources of complex carbs are:

1.  Root vegetables such as sweet potato (really good substitute for pasta and bread, I find) and squashes.

2.  Nuts and seeds such as pumpkin (Eden Organic makes a fab brand of dry-roasted pumpkin seeds in the shell with sea salt--ummmmmmm!) and walnut.

3.  Fruits from the beneficial (and neutral, too) list, such as pineapple (excellent for us and the pineapple enzyme called bromelain is anti-inflammatory ta boot, so this is an excellent choice for an O athelete), blueberry, black cherry, etc.  I LOVE, love, love to make a smoothie out of about a cup of 100% fruit juice such as pineapple juice, and then one banana (banana is another EXCELLENT choice for an O athelete to replenish her/his carbs with) and the frozen or fresh berries of your choice (I prefer frozen raspberries for this).  Puree and WOW!  Energy, vitality, fabulousness!

There are many carbs we can have, we just have to learn to think outside the box of the standard American diet (or "SAD", as some around here call it *lol*).

ENJOY!!!

P.S.  As for sprouted wheat bread, be sure to read the small print on the label.  Often a bread will say "sprouted", but then it will also contain regular wheat in the ingredients label.  If there is any unsprouted wheat in there, put it back in the freezer and pick out a different bread!



P.P.S.  An O athelete runs primarily on protein, not carbs, so be sure to get a lot of protein, too, before a big atheletic event.  Like you could add a raw egg* to that smoothie, or some almondbutter.  Be sure to get enough protein every day, this is key to satisfaction and lack of carb cravings on the O diet.

*be sure to choose certified organic eggs, to minimize any chance of salmonella!


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if you're an an O secretor...you can replace the carb loading with products that are non wheat based like brown rice, kamut and spelt ...there is cereal and pasta that you can find made from these products

Prairie Harvest Canada has a great line of Kamut pasta which they export ot the the US...can be reached at 780-454-4004

Spelt products.....www.hockleyvalley.com info@hockelyvalley.com


there a re lots of Brown rice pastas out there

these foods have the same taste and texture without the O rective lectins...I think it''s worth looking into



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You guys, and gals, ROCK! Thanks so much for taking the time to inform us new guys to this life style. I look forward to plowing ahead and reporting back. I am taking this new years weekend to "clean house", at least for the wheat and dairy stuff, and then get the ball rolling on a much better life! Thanks again and I WILL stay in touch.

PS  I am going to attempt to bake my own esseme bread once I get the wheat berries from HFS,
i'll let ya know how good/easy it is and whether or not its worth it as opposed to just buying.
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Wheat and corn products are the worst foods for type O so you might want to include corn in your list of things to look for as you "clean house" this weekend.

I believe Yaman has lots of experience in making essene bread. When he gets back from vacation maybe he can give you some advice. I take the easy way out and just buy it at the HFS. Maybe you will encourage me to give homemade a try.


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here s Yaman' s rye manna recipe:
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soak a cup or two in water overnight
- rinse them in the morning and drain, put on a shallow plate and cover to provide darkness,

- rinse and drain every 4 or 5 hours. By the evening or next morning you will see white sprouts emerging from the end of seeds. When the seeds are grown to the size of the berries/seeds, you can stop

- grind the sprouted berries (I use a manually operated meat grinder), knead well for 10 minutes, form loaves or buns not exceeding 5 cm height, put into the oven preheated to 80-90 degrees C and let bake for 3 to four hours.

The manna bread will have a hard crust but will be moist and soft inside.

Sprouting destroys the harmful heat lectins so it is not only safe for O's but also beneficial as it provides a lot of live enzymes.
"In order to avoid the buns sticking to the cooking paper, I spread some millet flour on the paper."


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Quoted from lola
here s Yaman' s rye manna recipe:
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soak a cup or two in water overnight
- rinse them in the morning and drain, put on a shallow plate and cover to provide darkness,

- rinse and drain every 4 or 5 hours. By the evening or next morning you will see white sprouts emerging from the end of seeds. When the seeds are grown to the size of the berries/seeds, you can stop

- grind the sprouted berries (I use a manually operated meat grinder), knead well for 10 minutes, form loaves or buns not exceeding 5 cm height, put into the oven preheated to 80-90 degrees C and let bake for 3 to four hours.

The manna bread will have a hard crust but will be moist and soft inside.

Sprouting destroys the harmful heat lectins so it is not only safe for O's but also beneficial as it provides a lot of live enzymes.
"In order to avoid the buns sticking to the cooking paper, I spread some millet flour on the paper."


Ha...I received an electric meat grinder from my brother over the holidays that used to be my dad's.  When he asked me if I wanted it I said "Yes," but couldn't remember why at the time.  Now I know why.   Now I just have to find some compliant berries to make manna bread without the rye."  

And thank you jsshort for all your newbie thread questions.  As you can see we have a wonderful individual BTD family here.  Without it I know I would be back among the many trying to figure out what I should do next.   (((((Big hugs))))))

Debra

P.S.  And oh yes... I am with MoDon on the corn.  So much of it in what we eat.  Wheat, corn, pork and sugar (although this one is not so bad in moderation if you happen to be a secretor).  So many by-products made cheaply to make big money...which in turn makes us sick...which in turn gets us to the doctor...which in turn gets us to take the pharmaceuticals...which in turn leads to more sickness...which in turn gets us to take more pharmaceutcuals...such a vicious circle.    Only we ourselves can be as healthy as we want to be.  Good luck with the house cleaning.  



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I believe it is safe for you as a nonnie to have rye manna.

Yaman s son eats it being a B, also, with no complications.

the sprouting process gets rid of the problem lectin, like in wheat and other mentioned grains.
there was a thread on this subject some time ago.


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Anyone ever try making a sprouted spelt manna bread?



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not yet......can t get spelt down here! (


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Quoted from lola
I believe it is safe for you as a nonnie to have rye manna.

Yaman s son eats it being a B, also, with no complications.

the sprouting process gets rid of the problem lectin, like in wheat and other mentioned grains.
there was a thread on this subject some time ago.



Ah so right you are Lola...been thinking all along that rye was not okay for nonnies.  Will just have to watch it though.  


Debra



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Anyone ever try making a sprouted spelt manna bread?


Never done any bread. I can never wait for it to be made

But, I have bought spelt manna. It is very hard and for some reason I always got terrible cravings after consuming when I do not get them with the wheat variety

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Debra,
essene bread, manna is a beneficial in the aging book......5-7 servings for nonnies......
so depending on your issues, you can try it off and on and see how it goes.


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Debra,
essene bread, manna is a beneficial in the aging book......5-7 servings for nonnies......
so depending on your issues, you can try it off and on and see how it goes.


Thanks Lola...must get that aging book.      Essene/manna bread...I have eaten and have to watch (like Susana) as the cravings start.  It is like that bag of Lays chips...betcha can't eat just one...bag that is.   And  then...out of control starts.  Don't want to go there anymore.  

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I understand you perfectly Debra!

I ve been going grain free for years now and feel better this way.


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Thanks for the info on being a type O athlete; I had the same question.

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