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jsshort
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Hi, I am new to this site, having stumbled on it due to a friend mentioning that O types should eat meat and my inquisitiveness kicked in and here I am. Problem is I just read the Kevin Trudeau book about natural cures, and then I researched stuff on vegiterians written by Paul Bragg, and now this stuff. Its like frigging religion, who is right. One source says drink distilled water, look up distilled water on the web and the you find where doctors say it'll kill you. One guy says no meat, one says nothing but meat. The basic thing about all of this is that each and every view has stuff to sell you that'll make their way easier or more tolerant. I am not saying I don't purchase this stuff, but where do you stop? Right now my wife and I are leaning towards the Bragg healthy life style. This involves drinking lots of water and 3 times per day including a few tablespoons of unprocessed apple cider vinegar and raw honey. We are also taking a HGH release supplement and some other supplements, like omega 3's, niacin, and a B-complex. We bought a juicer and drink fresh organic veggie drinks daily and include lecithin granules and yeast flakes on our foods. We rarley eat meats, but don't shun them. We have now cut the pork and eat whole grains and organics when we can. We both feel better, but is it right? Could we feel better still? I just find it hard to believe that this blood type can eat these foods, but not these and this blood type can do the opposite, very confusing. Anyway, just my 2 cents .
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hi dear
I am a *healthquack* by myselve and I am teaching BTD in my praxis here in Switzerland; I do have
more and more children and their mums...because I do work with a special machine called Vegatester...so I may see exactly what the person in front of me, looks like and what he/she is able to support as nutritional stuff....(but it is without any blood)
Dear newbie, it was interesting to see how right Dr. Peter D'Adamo is in his BTD guidelines; but then ther's coming your own individulaity which has to be integrated as well..... so far... up to you to decide
if you want to go for your own healthyness or if you want to stay No.xyz.  in a diet for everybody, which we cant' see in the BTD...everybody does adjust it at their needs

btw...welcome on board
truly yours Tomatilla I.
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Welcome, jsshort! Soon more knowledgeable members than me will show up with advice, but in the meantime...
The basics of the Blood Type Diet is Different blood types metabolize food differently. This is backed up by tons of research. By just stopping eating what is bad for your type, and adding some foods that are good for your type, you should see wonderful changes. In Borders, Barnes & Noble and health food stores you can find the Dr. D'Adamo books. In the bookstores you can sit & read.
Personally, I went from being sickly for years and too sick to work at all for over a year, to turning my whole life around in just six weeks.
As an O, you would eat red meat (if it moo's or baa's, it's best for us!) at least six times a week, probably more. You would eat lots of dark green and orange vegetables, and non-citrus fruits (except grapefruit). Nuts & berries (no more peanuts!), olive oil, the list goes on, and for O's, is very long. On the home page, Typebase is where you will find what's good & not. Having a book (you can borrow them free from the library) makes it easier.
Those of us that frequent this website have made life-changing improvements, are taking much less medications or now none at all, have dropped cholesterol, blood pressure, and diabetes meds because they're no longer needed, and all documented by their physicians' tests before & after.
Dr. D is a real, normal person, and this website is a universe of information and happy testimonies.
The strongest thing I like to point out is, there is no cost to doing the Blood Type Diet, no magic potions you must buy, spam to sign up for, cult to join. Just stop eating what's bad for you, eat more of what's beneficial for you, and read the forum threads. You'll feel better & learn alot. Best of luck, gotta run!
Oh, I see Isa got here first! Morning, Isa, my dear, I overslept because I was reading the thread on how much do you sleep!


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PS, jsshort, ditch the wheat!!!!!! It's the worst possible thing for you, really.


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Welcome, jsshort, and I'll try to answer some of your concerns:

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I just read the Kevin Trudeau book about natural cures, and then I researched stuff on vegiterians written by Paul Bragg, and now this stuff. Its like frigging religion, who is right.

There are two issues here needing addressing.  One, there are indeed many conflicting schools of thought on nutrition, and two, Kevin Trudeau happens to be a flat-out con artist.  As to number one, our knowledge of human nutrition is, believe it or not, really still in its infancy, and until very recently has been very "reductionist" (namely, "one size fits all").  Dr. D.'s blood type diet is really the first diet that recognizes that there are genetic variants within the human species that affect which diets individuals will thrive on.  This field is called nutrigenomics, the concept that different substances in foods will play differently in different individual's hardwiring.  Some "software" (i.e., food) runs better on some systems (i.e., individual human bodies and their coding) and totally crashes on others.  You get the idea.  This is why low-fat diets work well in some and not others, and Atkins works well for some and not others, etc.  The blood type diet doesn't treat us all as identical, and the different diets do work well with the different types, based on their hard-wiring.  Now, on to number two, it so happens that Kevin Trudeau is a convicted con artist and please do not spend any more money on his books.  From Wikipedia on Kevin Trudeau:

"1990: Larceny and prison
Trudeau's legal problems are long-standing. In 1990, he posed as a doctor in order to deposit $80,000 in false checks, and in 1991 he pled guilty to larceny after he had provided false information to obtain credit cards which he used for his own purposes. He spent two years in prison because of this conviction (Choi, 2005)....

1996: SEC
Trudeau rebounded, making a small fortune working for Nutrition For Life, a multi-level marketing program. However, in 1996, his recruitment practices ran afoul of the states of Illinois and Michigan, as well as the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. Michigan went so far as to forbid him from operating in the state.

...In September 2004, Trudeau agreed to pay $2 million ($500,000 in cash and transfer of residential property located in Ojai, California, and a luxury vehicle) to settle charges that he falsely claimed that a coral calcium product can cure cancer and other serious diseases and that a purported analgesic called Biotape can permanently cure or relieve severe pain.[2][3]"


That is just a smattering of highlights on this cold, calculating character.  My advice?  Steer clear of him.  But you are right that there is a plethora of confusing and contradictory nutritional information out there.  The blood type diet will help you make sense of it all, as when you begin to understand nutrigenomics and how our individual genetics make such a difference to which foods we do well on, it all starts to fall into place.  The next generation of Dr. D.'s work will be coming out in about a year with the "Eat Right for Your Genotype" book, which will further refine things to an individual level and notches unknown!
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There is a lot of conflicting One source says drink distilled water, look up distilled water on the web and the you find where doctors say it'll kill you. One guy says no meat, one says nothing but meat. The basic thing about all of this is that each and every view has stuff to sell you that'll make their way easier or more tolerant. I am not saying I don't purchase this stuff, but where do you stop?

All good points and again I just reiterate that much of the confusion comes from the fact that so many diets try to treat us like we are all the same, yet we are not.  The BTD recognizes the differences and tailors the diets for each type right to those.  So for one type, yes, very little meat is indicated.  For another type, high-quality meat is recommended each day.  The theory makes sense when you read the original ER4YT, and more importantly, when you try the diet yourself, it feels like you have come home.  I have never felt deeply nourished or in balance or satisfied on any other diet but the BTD.  That's all I can tell ya!



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jsshort, welcome to the BTD forum.
Do you mind my asking what blood types you and your wife are?



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What exactly is so bad about wheat for an O-type? Also, is there a list of good/bad foods anywhere here for each blood type or must a book or chart be purchased for each?
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I am an O and I think wife is a B.
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O'Suzelannchen ....ya right in ditching the wheat...even for us the royals very

and hey PeppyTwist...wow what a fine list you are creating about this guy..yech
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What exactly is so bad about wheat for an O-type? Also, is there a list of good/bad foods anywhere here for each blood type or must a book or chart be purchased for each?

Oh my, how long do you have for us to answer that first question *lol*?  Seriously, the general consensus around here is that wheat is basically THE single worst avoid ("avoid" is BTD-speak for "food that you should avoid"...guess that one didn't really need an explanation *L*) for Type O's.  The short answer is that there is a lectin in wheat that our Type O blood type antigen perceives as "other" in a big way, instead of as "self".  It (our systems) then proceeds to mobilize to fight off the wheat lectin in a similar way to how your body would muster up all its resources to fight off a blood transfusion of the wrong blood type, only, of course, not as dramatic as all that, I mean, eating wheat won't drop ya down dead on the spot or anything.  But here are just some examples of what a lot of Type O's on this board have realized by cutting out wheat is linked to wheat for them, and have managed to free themselves of or greatly improve by cutting out wheat.  The common denominator in all of these is inflamation.  Here we go:

1.  Upper-respiratory congestion/problems
2.  Inflamatory diseases like fibromyalgia and some forms of arthritis
3.  Rosacea
4.  Digestive distress
5.  Mood swings/temper flares
6.  Weight issues
7.  Cravings for carbs
8.  Back/joint/knee probs
9.  Outlook (gloomy with wheat, more optimistic without); depression
10. Brain fog

I mean, it goes on and on.  If you are an O, try cutting out wheat (easier said than done, as the food industry in America is h*ll-bent on inserting wheat and corn into EVERYTHING, but that is another issue...one that you will run into soon enough as a newbie, and my best advice there is, read labels) and just see how much better you feel.  You say you are pretty healthy as it is and feel good, which is GREAT.  But just try this and see, it doesn't cost you anything and you may be surprised at how things you never linked to wheat suddenly improve, and then if you resume eating wheat again, BOOM, back they come.  It is WILD.  You can switch to 100% rye bread (available in most health food stores in the freezer section) or 100% rice bread (ditto).

To answer your second question, click on the button up top for "Typebase4".  That is the most updated list of which foods are beneficial (best for your type, act almost like a medicine or tonic in your system), neutral (okay to eat, act like a food in your system) or avoid (not okay to eat, some are worse than others and you will learn through trial and error which are the worst for you and which you can get away with sometimes--most of us find that wheat is the worst.  Avoids act almost like poisons in our system, especially the baddies like wheat.).

 Don't worry.  This may all seem overwhelming at first, and there is a lot to learn, but it is all worth it and a thrilling ride!



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Also, is there a list of good/bad foods anywhere here for each blood type or must a book or chart be purchased for each?


At the top of your page there is a feature called "Typebase". Foods are listed with their status for various types.






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Thanks for all the info so far, I am indeed interested. Of the list you give above about what wheat does, I really can only say that the I am affected by the craving carbs thing and now that I am 45 the joint pain, but I have been an avid runner/cyclist/triathlete for over 20 years now and felt it was just time. I was always heavy as a kid growing up, I graduated HS in '79 weighing over 280. Since then, I joined the USAF, lost down to my current 145/150 and have not gained any of it back since '80, not bad for not eating right for many of those years, at least according to the BTD. I guess I am off to Books a million today for a copy of this so the wife and I can share in this journey. And yes, it is al VERY overwhelming!
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Jsshort, welcome to btd!
Maybe the best answer for you personally is to exclude some of the foods from your diet and see how you feel. For most of us that's what btd is all about, somethings work for one person but not for another, even if something is a benefical.
As for wheat, well I'm an A and knew long before I began this lifestyle that it was bad for me and my system!!


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Thanks for all the info so far, I am indeed interested. Of the list you give above about what wheat does, I really can only say that the I am affected by the craving carbs thing and now that I am 45 the joint pain, but I have been an avid runner/cyclist/triathlete for over 20 years now and felt it was just time. I was always heavy as a kid growing up, I graduated HS in '79 weighing over 280. Since then, I joined the USAF, lost down to my current 145/150 and have not gained any of it back since '80, not bad for not eating right for many of those years, at least according to the BTD. I guess I am off to Books a million today for a copy of this so the wife and I can share in this journey. And yes, it is al VERY overwhelming!

Well, you and I are the same age!  I'm sure if neither one of us ever hears "Stairway to Heaven" again it will be too soon, after it was played over and over and over again at every dance and on every radio station during our formative years, but I digress *lol*.  It sounds like all the exercising you have done for the past 20 years has really counteracted some of the negative effects of foods like wheat, plus even within blood types there are individual variations so that some folks are way more impacted by eating wrong for their type than others (won't bring up the secretor versus non-secretor thing now as you are overwhelmed enough!).  It sounds to me like you are a very healthy guy and I applaud you for looking into how to optimize your diet for health because many people only realize how important taking care of their health is once something goes wrong.  You are one step ahead by trying to make as healthy choices as you can while you still have all of your health.  And yes, again, I couldn't agree more that all the conflicting nutritional advice out there is maddening and enough to make some people chuck the whole idea of trying to figure it all out.  But those of us here in the BTD community feel like we have stumbled onto a treasure, a diet that doesn't try to fit us all into one model, it takes our differences into account.  It is still evolving (again, "Eat Right for Your Genotype" will be the next huge advance in the theory, customizing things even more for the individual), yet that said, it is in a league of its own as it is the only diet that is not one size fits all.  And the proof is in the doing of it.  Just try it and you will most likely be amazed, even though you are starting from a healthy baseline so you may not experience dramatic improvements as some of us have.  But something tells me that you will still "feel it", ya know?  Just try 'er out and see how ya do.  One thing that impresses me, too, is that I (an O) do so well on the O diet, yet Type A's I know don't do well on my diet and do well on the A diet, which I feel would kill me within a week *lol* (just kidding, I'm prone to sweeping exaggeration to make a point, just bear with me!).  I was indeed on a low-fat, vegetarian diet for years and it was the most unhealthy thing ever for me (gained weight, stopped menstruating, was always hungry and craving carbs, etc.), whereas your basic A might have thrived on it (although NO ONE needed as much grains as the "experts" told us to eat back then with the 11 servings per DAY--madness, but I digress).

Anyway, give it a try and report back here to let us know how you are doing!



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Peppermint Twist, again, thanks for all the info, but......I just gotta ask. What is the deal with secretor or non? How can we find this out about ourselves? Thanks again.
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jsshort-welcome to the BTD way of life and its forum from another O and a non-secretor.  Not sure what book you have read, but for explanation of the secretor/non-secretor you would be best to pick up the "Live Right 4 Your Type" book.

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Peppermint Twist, again, thanks for all the info, but......I just gotta ask. What is the deal with secretor or non? How can we find this out about ourselves? Thanks again.

I suggest that you read the Getting Started Blood Type Diet Tutorial on the home page. Page 10 of the tutorial covers the secretor issue.



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jsshort, MoDon's suggestion is excellent.  Here is a link to the exact page he is talking about, which might help you out, because if you follow his link, you then have to press the "next lesson" button 9 or 10 times to get to the specific page, but my link below will take you right to the low-down on secretor status:

http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/newbie/a.htm

(btw, MoDon, I didn't know that page existed, THANK YOU for pointing out this resource, I will refer/link newbies asking about secretor status to it from now on--wu HUUUU!)


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Of the list you give above about what wheat does, I really can only say that the I am affected by the craving carbs thing and now that I am 45 the joint pain, but I have been an avid runner/cyclist/triathlete for over 20 years now and felt it was just time.

I was about your age when I started the type O BTD and my knee joint pain went away in a couple of weeks and have never bothered me again. I am also about 145/150 lbs and an avid cyclist and soccer referee (running). Many other problems went away too, most of which I thought were just aging, but now realize were from not eating right and lifestyle issues.


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Welcome to the fourm.

To answer your question, "Who's right?" Dr. D is basically saying, everyone is "right," but the right they are selling is not "right" for every body.  Dr D'Adamo theory is, one diet/supplement/exercise regemin/ lifestyle is NOT for everybody.  We are not all the same.  There are genetic differences between us, and blood type is the key to understanding which diet is best for our genetic difference.

It has been known since around 1914 that plants were species specific.  It was William Boyd who discovered around 1945 that plants were blood type specific.  He named these substances in plants that agglutinated specific blood types lectins.  So, the knowledge of agglutinating lectins has been around a long time. In fact, research scientists use plant lectins all the time to bind substanaces to each other, because they are, "nature's glue."

You can read up on William Boyd's discoveries HERE

Did you know that your digestive system has blood type markers?


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Hey J i am new to this (less than a year) but i can say that experience will tell all and that after this year their is only many more years until forever on this blood type diet. i have seen like you all the other stuff about this good that good this bad stuff but i try this and it works for me. the biggest things i find are to avoid WHEAT and DAIRY 100%. good luck brother.
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Welcome to the fourm.

To answer your question, "Who's right?" Dr. D is basically saying, everyone is "right," but the right they are selling is not "right" for every body.  Dr D'Adamo theory is, one diet/supplement/exercise regemin/ lifestyle is NOT for everybody.  We are not all the same.  There are genetic differences between us, and blood type is the key to understanding which diet is best for our genetic difference.

It has been known since around 1914 that plants were species specific.  It was William Boyd who discovered around 1945 that plants were blood type specific.  He named these substances in plants that agglutinated specific blood types lectins.  So, the knowledge of agglutinating lectins has been around a long time. In fact, research scientists use plant lectins all the time to bind substanaces to each other, because they are, "nature's glue."

You can read up on William Boyd's discoveries HERE

Did you know that your digestive system has blood type markers?

Fabulous post, KK!


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Hi jsshort,
High blood pressure is called 'the quiet murderer'. Lectins likewise are very very slow poisons, and as Don says, their damages are generally considered normal developments of the aging body. The most amazing thing when I started (10 months ago) was to realize the immediate, decisive, and strong reaction of my body. It started the healing process right at the minute I freed it from a long list of avoids (per my age I knew I couldn't allow myself to fool around). This display of the body's healing work is unbelievable. It surely had been waiting for decades to be given this freedom, 'so it can show' the wonders it's capable of doing, actually designed to do, and prove to you that it's your best mate. Of course most of the healing process is covert and lengthy, and I guess that the immediate improvements are 'the tip of the iceberg', yet they are most important in order to encourage you to be attentive to your body and listen to what it asks from you. Be it the exact food it needs at each day, and re all other aspects of way of life, sleep, body hygene, etc etc etc, about which there are so many threads by so many wise, knowledgable and experienced members of the forums.

Wish you the best of health!
Yael


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Hi jsshort - I totally agree with yael p in that you'll feel the difference not only in body but in mind and mood.  The Live Right 4 Your Type is my bible and my most used book!  

The knowledge and support you'll receive from these threads is just fantastic.

Good luck and great health
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