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Melissa_J
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http://www.dogtorj.net/id23.html

A long, but interesting, take on the damage that gluten, milk, corn and soy can do.

Edited to add:
Here's a shorter version of the same info:

http://dogtorj.tripod.com/id26.html


Type O+ blogger, secretor afterall. Gluten intolerant. With two gluten intolerant sons:  A+ Secretor 10 yo (also fructose intolerant and slightly egg allergic), and  O- 7yo.

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It's from the perspective of a veterinarian, so there are lots of references to pets in it, I found the description of the big four being glue-foods, and how that causes damage to be of the most interest.


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Melissa,
Fascinating article and it seems to make a lot of sense!  I just sent it to my brother who slowly but surely is beginning to see the BTD light.  
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glue food as in agglutination.....where have we all heard that before? )


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I have bookmarked the website and will read ASAP! Thank you!


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A bit against soy, but it is only beneficial for A secretors, so that may be warranted.  A bit anti-milk, though pretty favorable toward goat milk (which is more beneficial even for B's right?)

So, for a one-size-fits-all approach it's pretty good.

I hadn't heard a theory about food lectins coating viruses to grant them access where they shouldn't have...not sure about that one, though I don't think he claims to be a lectin expert, at least he acknowledges them.


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Hi Melissa!!

That is an awesome link!! Woww, this vet gets the message about food!

I have saved this document in my files and have forwarded this document..

Thanks again!

Cocky
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Melissa thanx for sharing...a w e s o m e
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What I am wondering right now, having read the short and the long version of the article Melissa linked is, that this guy DogtorJ is 85% in the right direction with his statements.
He needs 'some' additional education about soy and peanuts, is my opinion..  

I was wondering if Doc D'Adamo could 'educate'  this Dogtor so that he gets the full picture about foods and their effects ??
This Dogtor is quite different from those other soybashers... Right??

This guy is perceptive to lectins, and acknowledges the gut as the basis scene of our health..
Good grief, great metaphore of the Titanic. Woww!! Awesome..  

Just wondering.....  

Cocky

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Fascinating Article!!  Thank You So Much for sharing it with us!

I am constantly struggling to feed my beloved Ariel correctly.  Ariel is my (almost)13 year old Australian Shepherd.  This article has given me new hope for keeping her off that rainbow bridge for a little while longer.

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He does mention on his Lectin page link that he read Eat Right 4 Your Type and was very intrigued by it.

I think he must be an O-non-secretor, since part of his bias is against food he reacts badly to (and foods that animals react badly to).  In all my reading on gluten intolerance, he's the strongest one against corn I've read...I can always benefit from a little corn-bashing since I do have a hard time avoiding it.  But hey, at least I've got the casein-avoidance down pat finally (out of necessity).  I think he did say somewhere that not all people (or animals/breeds) are sensitive to all those foods.


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what makes me that foodindustries will go furhter and further in working with this shullbit stuff called wheat.....have an eye in different sections of the http://www.foodnavigator.com it is terribly scarrying me that they just don't want to recognize it, or did they do a deal with pharmalobby for me it's
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Quoted from Melissa_J
He does mention on his Lectin page link that he read Eat Right 4 Your Type and was very intrigued by it.

I think he must be an O-non-secretor, since part of his bias is against food he reacts badly to (and foods that animals react badly to).  In all my reading on gluten intolerance, he's the strongest one against corn I've read...I can always benefit from a little corn-bashing since I do have a hard time avoiding it.  But hey, at least I've got the casein-avoidance down pat finally (out of necessity).  I think he did say somewhere that not all people (or animals/breeds) are sensitive to all those foods.


Okay Melissa, this Dogtor is already aware of BTD.. I have not read all on his website...
.   And indeed he must be an O nonnie as well...    as well as my sister... We found this out yesterday.. All her reverse reactions to all the foods that were supposed to be beneficial or neutral... All of a sudden the light went on in my head.. You know what I never ever thought that any of my familymembers could be nonnies!!   A bit nave I must confess, but I am soo happy now that I know and can help her... I went to my sis yesterday with lots of Ononniefoods and recipe suggestions.. Spent the whole day talking, giving ideas and cooking!!

I will intensify my recipe search in the NonnieHouse for my sis!!!

Cocky

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your sister is lucky to have you to start her off, right!
congratulations to you Cocky on getting the message through and congratulations to her on accepting!
what a wonderful feeling indeed!


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your sister is lucky to have you to start her off, right!
congratulations to you Cocky on getting the message through and congratulations to her on accepting! what a wonderful feeling indeed!


yes, your sister IS lucky to have you. In time, she will realize just HOW lucky.  
My brothers are slowly transitioning to BTD and my brother w/ children, is working on them as well.  How's that for wonderful!!  BTD - it's spreadin' like wildfire!!  



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great news!


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I just read Dr. J's article.  Boy is he on the right track.  My daughter's Lab is only 5 yrs old and in very poor health, and he's such a good dog.  I made 2 copies of this article to share with others.  I hope it opens their eyes about them selves and their pets.
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Great article Melissa!  Thanks so much for sharing.  

I'm just soooo sick of the junk people feed their pets.  The marketing is just so convincing that I believe people think it must be in the pet's best interest.

The latest one is the Beneful dog food which shows wheat and corn as its first ingredients (in the TV commercial).  Excuse me, but wheat and corn aren't digestable by dogs (or cats for that matter).  But boy, they sure make it look like it's something your pet would really 'benefit' from.  Even twisting the word beneficial into the product's name.  Whatever.  

It's a shame our pets are being subjected to such absolute c**p.

I'll step off my soapbox now.  


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Yes, I just went through the site reading some of the articles also.  Great info, very btd reaffirming also.  Thanks for
bumping up this thread, it should be a sticky, or whatever......I missed it back in December.
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glue food as in agglutination.....where have we all heard that before? )


But...  there's something missing from such a simple equation.

The G.A.R.D. paper says "gluten". It seems to be in most grains, yet some grains that contain substantial quantity of gluten are fine for everybody, according to the BTD books and the database.  Example, spelt is neutral even for O secretors (who are the most susceptible next to O-nonnies), and it's only a half-step away from the insidious wheat.

Also, given what the GARD guy has to say about gluten and ruminants... do... um.... well... do blood-type A people secretly have multiple stomachs?  Is that how they handle wheat?  
I know that I seem to have a hollow leg when it comes to dessert, so I can see where others might have unsuspected body parts...


OK, just kidding a bit. But my first point was serious.  Gluten is gluten. Wheat is the king of bad-for-you. Spelt is somehow neutral, even though it's a wheat ancestor/cousin and has nearly as much gluten (works fine in my bread machine) as wheat.   Howzat work?

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Gluten is not what makes wheat an avoid for type O. The problem is the wheat lectin, which is called WGA (Wheat Germ Agglutinin). Gluten intolerance or celiac disease is a whole different issue concerning gluten


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Yes, gluten is fine from compliant sources for those who tolerate gluten.  His articles are very interesting, but are a little bit one-size-fits-all.  Bs usually do fine with milk, As can do ok with corn and soy, etc., I strongly suspect Dogtor J is an O non-secretor  For the point of raising awareness that these USDA Food Pyramid foundation foods are not good for many of us though, and part of the reasons why, that's a good thing.  

Combine a 'glue-food' with an avoid lectin and you can get some pretty mean inflammation going on.  Wheat does a number of bad things to me that other gluten sources can't hold a candle to.


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