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I am a B and I've been having terrible times with fatigue lately. I was wondering if anyone else could give me some tips. Right now I'm eating a heavy protein and fat breakfast (if not, i'm too tired) and lots of grains or starch at night right before I go to bed. any advice?
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Dr D recommends Chi breathing for B's with fatigue

http://www.geocities.com/bgaughr/qgbreathing.htm


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Thanx for the link, mikeo.


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My two cents...

There are 2 things that give me fatigue: avoids; and no relaxation nor downtime... especially the latter. Sometimes I just have to let go of what I have scheduled for the day, or what I would like to do and just sit... or nap... even reading can feel stressful! !! But it does seem to work, and sometimes all it takes is a few hours... sometimes a few days....

Make sure there are no avoids sneaking into your diet... particularly corn and wheat are the ones that bring on the fatigue for me and try to schedule  in time to relax, and hopefully you will feel back to normal energy levels soon. Also... Siberian ginseng in the AM may help you through the daytime hours.



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This is a good question, and I agree with the tips that have been given.  Also stay away from coffee and sugar.

I've also been feeling very tired lately.  I attribute it to the very cold weather we have been having.  And, like Kristen, I'm trying to take rest times even (especially if) I don't think I have time to rest.



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I'd like to say, a higher B-complex (as vits ) intake, add some 20mg's of Enada NADH, 10 mg's in the morning on empty stomach and 10 in the afternnon; then perhaps are you preparing for your wintersleep hmmm lots of grains....& starches....hmmm.....don't think that this helps to maintain your energylevel I think here it's just the oposite


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lately when I was allowed to test my mother, I gave also Siberian Ginseng to her, two days later she seemed to be a different woman; much better in energylevel, clearer mentally and she apologized that she  was so vehemently against the intake of such products because of her préjudgements oooo wow how wunneful

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I am with NHG and Victoria - about the relaxation- not doing anything- it is sooo important - especially when you feel you are busy.
Siberian ginseng has helped several years - maybe I should start again....
Cutting out all sugar and easy carbs- like flours, very sweet fruits and roots has been helpfull as well.
Sadly I don´t follow my own suggestions.......


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In between periods of relaxation and fatigue, its just too easy to feel like going back to bed...

More seriously - cutting out refined/processed foods and Wheat Tribe grains has done wonders. Initially it really helps to Juice Fast, you'll get so much energy from this that you'll wonder why you've ever drank coffee.

Also, getting a good physical workout regularly really helps - at least you'll have an excuse to be tired {and it gives a restful sleep, rather than the frustraing insomnia from overall fatigue whrer you can't sleep for 6-8 hours}. Mind you I'm not a gym kind of guy - Pretty much given up using a car for everything & volunteering on the weekends...


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Thank God I found this thread!

My husband is suffering from fatigue and a lack of everything you can think of . His blood test showed really bad results..and that has got him down further. I'm not pushing the BTD down his throat...but he broached the topic this afternoon. Willing to "succumb" as he says. When he eats at home, it's all compliant except for lack of protein.  He tries to eat protein outside..but that's not regular, 'contaminated' and not even sufficient I think. He knows about chicken, tomatoes, soy, corn and wheat.

He's sceptical about the number of eggs I eat and the amount of ghee I drink . I was told that our diet should be 40-40-20 of protein, carbs (from fruits & vegs) and fats respectively. I hope it's applicable to B's as well.

I have a list of beneficials, neutrals & avoids for O's & B's, so cooking veggies and shopping for fruits & nuts isn't a problem.

Please give me some tips on how to handle the 1 1/2 hourly feeds for B's Ever since telling him about sugar, sucrose, fructose etc., he has been minimising his intake of bottled drinks.

Looking forward to your replies!

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I think the protein might be a tad high and the fat a bit low.
Official guidence here is :
Fats: 30 % protein : 15- 20 % and carbs: 50-55 % - from calories.

BUT I do best on :

30-40 % fat, 20-25 % protein and 25- 50 % carbs.

Strange enough I find myself loosing weight easiest when I have the high fatlevel????
And when I have checked my food a few times during the last years
- the high fat- hig protein was during winter - and my normal fat/ proetein was during summer !
So I guess John is right about the seasonal eating- need fat to survive danish winters

Funny enough prior to BTD
my levels was:
20- 25 fat, 10-15 % protein and 60-70 % carbs ! = fat - moody and allergic


We are all individuals.

And I guess if you feed him right  during evenings- he will slowly start feeling better and making better choises
- it is a bit like living with a teen- changing husbands diets  


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Protein, Protein, Protein...make sure he's getting enough beneficial protein

A good cup of loose leaf organic green tea always helps too


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Quoted from mikeo
Protein, Protein, Protein...make sure he's getting enough beneficial protein

A good cup of loose leaf organic green tea always helps too


Second the protein... especially in the mornings. If I don't have an animal-based protein for breakfast, I just don't feel right for the rest of the day. And along with Henriette, I do start to crave fats if I am not getting enough in my diet.

The tea is nice, too...  


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I was told that our diet should be 40-40-20 of protein, carbs (from fruits & vegs) and fats respectively. I hope it's applicable to B's as well.

Those numbers are from "The Circle" movie in the Media Center and are for type O.

For type B the recommended breakdown from that movie is 33%, 54%, 13% protein, carbs, fat, respectively.



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Thanks all! MoDon, thanks for that breakdown. I would have to go into the link when I catch my breath next!

Any more ideas and tips, please post them here. Old links anyone can remember. Sorry I really need to run now, but thanks once again!
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Since reading in another thread about your husband's cardiovascular disease problems I would recommend that he lower the carb % until he gets better.


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what helps best against fatigue for me is a good workout. Half an hour of running and my batteries are loaded up again!

I also, as other Bs, don't like it if my schedule is too packed and there are too many things to do at one time (on what the Os I know seem to thrive!). I definietly need some time to "chill out"

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I also, as other Bs, don't like it if my schedule is too packed and there are too many things to do at one time (on what the Os I know seem to thrive!). I definietly need some time to "chill out"


Oh yes of course! I learnt it the hard way few years ago Friends call us Garfield & Odie for no reason
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Those numbers are from "The Circle" movie in the Media Center and are for type O.

For type B the recommended breakdown from that movie is 33%, 54%, 13% protein, carbs, fat, respectively.



Is it % of food or calories ???

It surely can´t be % of calories-

IF  I eat no grains or very low grains - my fat % would get higher if you talk about % of calories due to the fact that grains contains lots of calories- but no fat- and by taking them out of food would mean a shift to a higher level of fat:

even with only 1 tbl olive oil, 1 egg and a pt of yoghurt-1 small pt of fish and meat  The rest  veggies and fruit = a rather high level of fat- if you use the % of calories= but if you use
% of food it would be low like dr D´s recomendations!

try it out yourself in:
http://www.nutritiondata.com



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Is it % of food or calories ???

It surely can´t be % of calories-

I agree with you. I have always wondered if that was looking at it from a food standpoint.

For instance, 13 % fat from oil added to food and does not include the fat in meat or dairy or whatever.

Another reason to forget about these type of numbers and calculations and just follow the BTD and adjust per individuality and health status.



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I agree with you. I have always wondered if was looking at it from a food standpoint.

For instance, 13 % fat from oil added to food and does not include the fat in meat or dairy or whatever.

Another reason to forget about these type of numbers and calculations and just follow the BTD and adjust per individuality and health status.


Yep I will
- but it is kind of fun sometimes to check a typical good B day- and see that is NOT like the official 1 size fits all approach.



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While B's have a very versatile diet, we don't do well with extremes, in my opinion.

Too heavy a protein load will make us toxic and wipe out our sense of welll-being.  Too few proteins will make us feel weak, tired, and fearful.

Too many carbs will drop our energy, raise the triglycerides, give us brain fog and make us succeptible to candida overgrowth. . not to mention increase our weight.

Although we handle dairy, too much dairy makes up prone to mucous and weight gain.  We need some dairy to keep our immune systems operating efficiently.  Cultured milk and ghee are especially good for us.



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I agree about the need for balance in one's diet.  I didn't realize this was a B thing... I thought that everybody needed it.  I guess it is more important to people who are B's than others.
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My guess everyone needs it.  

But as B's, our diet "seems" to be more tolerant than others, because we get such a wide range of foods.  I think many B's (including myself at one time) tend to go overboard with some aspect of our diet just because we think we can, and if foods are neutral, we might think that means we can have as much as we want.

It catches up with us sooner or later.



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I agree -
I think it is one of the reasons why B´s tend not to get interesting in BTD
- we somehow manage in the modern world- some have several issues
- but not  as bad as an A that eats lots of protein
or a O that eats the official diet with penty of grain.
They will figure out much sooner that it doesn´t work !
I know so many B´s that doesn´t wan´t to follow BTD - they find they are OK- and their diet isn´t really that differnt than BTD- while almost all the O ´s ( except from a grain addicted O ) and all the A´s I have met just loved the BTD right away.
So mayby the whole balance and the variety makes it harder for the B´s ? to REALLY understnad the B diet.
I love that I am a B- BUT I find it much easier to explain my daughters O diet !


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I agree... both Victoria and Henriette...

It seems that B's need to be struggling with a major health issue to reap clearly noticeable, tangible results from the BTD. I remember that when I started BTDing... I only had to make a couple changes in my diet and not much else. I did feel much better with those changes... but it took time to really experience the fullness of that.

And the balance thing... such a sticky wicket...   I find it to be so important to find the right balance in all things... not just the diet portion... but I am constantly working with feeling in balance and falling out again. What works one day does not work the next.

It really is a dance to be a B...


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Quoted from Kristin



It really is a dance to be a B...




I still finetune....
and my sister B is finally turning around- but first when she is sick......
B stubbornnes I guess or leoness? ( she is a another B leo )


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that doesn't exactly fit into this threat but I was wondering what the circadian rythms of other  Bs are, and at what times of day the are more likely to feel tired etc.

I am more of a night owl, with my spirits awakening after 10 pm. It's 2:15 in the morning here in England and no signs of getting tired. Wide awake!      I just wrote 1000 words of an essay for university, I was extremely productive!

But on afternoons I am usually useless when it comes to doing brainwork, I just feel tired and if I could choose I would sit in a cafe all afternoon just to relax. However mornings between 9 and 12 are also not that bad for brainwork.

Other Bs also experience this afternoon crash?

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Your lifestyle sounds like it is really hard on your adrenal glands.


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I was thinking that also, Don.  If you don't get in bed by 10:30 or 11 pm, your adrenals think it's a new day, and they spike their hormones for a second time.  So every day, you're aging an extra day, essentially.  That's why you have the energy slump the next day.  Your adrenals are confused about when they can have their "down time".

I'm speaking from experience.  It eventually catches up to you, and it can be seriously damaging to your health.  Check out a very informative book called Adrenal Fatigue.  I can't recall the author since I lent my copy out.  It explains the natural rhythm of the adrenal glands and the symptoms of adrenal fatigue.

Italybound knows the author's name.



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I am more of a night owl, with my spirits awakening after 10 pm. It's 2:15 in the morning here in England and no signs of getting tired. Wide awake!


I can totaly relate you, since I know myself I like nights, I hate days.. When I am working during the day I am happy that my schedule is good, but otherwise I go to bed around 6 am, yeah when everybody gets up, right now, I am not working because I am sick, about three months now, I have a extreme fatique. If you are curious you can read my post from Dr. D library under Mononuclesis & Fatique. a lot of good posting there. I follow fatique book because ERYF book has shows food based on Beneficial, Neutral, and Avoid, it makes me confused, is that means if food neutral, is it good or bad? but fatique book has Super beneficials, beneficials, allow frequently, allow infrequintly, and avoids..
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Brenna:

Dr. D has a specific set of supplements for fatigue-fighting in his Complete Blood Type Encyclopedia.  You should definitely pick up a copy.  It's uncanny amazing.

For example, I'm a type O, and he recommends, among other things, sarsparilla root for fatigue in O's.  Well, I picked some up and MAN has it given me energy!

Also, he recommends dandelion root for metabolism.  I bought some and have been taking it, and it has reduced my appetite immensely.  Actually, I don't know which has reduced my appetite, the dandelion or the sarsparilla, but it has definitely changed drastically for the better since starting those two things.
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...I am more of a night owl, with my spirits awakening after 10 pm. It's 2:15 in the morning here in England and no signs of getting tired. Wide awake!      I just wrote 1000 words of an essay for university, I was extremely productive!...


When I was in college I tutored Maths and Scince in the afternoons - I'd get so sleepy!!! I asked if I could put a cot in the storage closet...It wasn't until they realized I was a good teacher and offered me a full-time position {wasn't even graduated yet} that they said they would. (Un)Fortunately  Ifound a better paying job so it never happened.

We are in good hands however - Most "genius" have been known to need their afternoon Power Nap.

Especially hard for me, and its been 3 years now, is getting back to the 'normal 9-to-5 routine. I spent 10-15 years working Grave/Swing/Split shifts.

No matter What I try - every few months I have to just turn everything off on a weekend, and just recharge the "Olde Batteries".

Live foods, Juices, and BTD even, only seem to go so far me in terms of Fatigue.


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This is SO interesting.

I always loved to stay up late at night.  I did most of my work when I was in college after midnight.  Of course, I was exhausted in the afternoons.  Since I've had kids and have had regular jobs, I've had to force myself to get on a regular schedule, but my natural tendency is to want to stay up late.  

I am aware again about the importance of balance, not just with food but with sleep, exercise, work and play, etc.  Again, I assume everyone needs it, but us B's might need it more.  My O husband can push himself to extremes in terms of exercise without consequence.  Although he was vegetarian and macrobiotic at one point in his life, he now loves meat and can't get through a day without it.  He does not follow BTD, but just seems to know what works for him.  On the other hand, I need to be vigilant to BTD avoids, or I would eat every one of them!

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Dr. D has a specific set of supplements for fatigue-fighting in his Complete Blood Type Encyclopedia.  You should definitely pick up a copy.  It's uncanny amazing.

The Fatigue book is newer and more complete with revised food lists for the condition and tageted supplementation recommendations.

However, the Dr. D Health protocols from the Encyclopedia are also online and are a good place to start.



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I am kind in between - not an owl or lark.
Like to get to bed between 22-23 and up between 7- 8- but I can´t do that.
I feel most awake btween 10- 15 o clock.
- but when I was in my 20es I used to be able to stay up late if I wanted to - but I never was able to sleep really late like my friends- so I used a few days every week to recharge my batteries.
Today I would pefer to be able to follow my inner watch- but I can´t ! and since my future job will be teaching I´ll have to live like an lark. School starts around 8- and I live in the countryside so I need some transporttime as well.

Now at almost 4 in the afternoon friday - I´m just sooo low in energy- and I know I´ll collapse tonight on the sofa with a glass of wine and some nasty dark chocolate.
I NEVER make plans friday night !!
- I need to just relax and sleep when I feel like it - and YES there have been friday nights when I have been in bed by 21- and my daughter have looked at me like ??? - are you going now....

I think now in my mid 30ies- and 7 years into BTD - I need to REALLY follow my inner clock- and get more sleep. and earlier.


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If I am fatigued I need a bit more protein and to stay away from flour products of any kind.
Also, if I am mentally fatigued by overtime at work I add extra B complex vitamins and Magnesium to my system and that helps get me back on track.  Whenever I get fatigued/run down it is because I've dipped into avoid foods because of hectic pace at work and I must rectify: extra sleep, extra Magnesium back in my system, extra B vitamins really do the trick.
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My personal solution has been lots of fruits, berries and green veggies.

Mainly blueberries and strawberries, pineapple, orange and banana, parsley and fresh herbs. The difference is enormous with either one, so now I make sure to get enough of them all.
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