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AfricanTypeO
Sunday, November 19, 2006, 10:42pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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What might cause this?


Nearly every afternoon, at around 3 or 4, I have a massive energy crash where I lose energy and literally pass out and then awaken an hour later feeling panicky and weak and numb!

I noticed this happening earlier this year whenever I ate a moderate portion (quarter of a cup uncooked weight) of brown rice or other healthy carb.  

So, I actually cut out the grains to see whether that would help.  No change!

I've been to my doctor and he's run all sorts of bloodwork.  I was expecting to see abnormal fasting glucose, but the only thing abnormal on my tests is that I am borderline hyperthyroid.

Would that cause these crashes?  The crashes are really horrible.  I wake up and I don't even know where or who I am!

My diet mainly consists of lean grass-fed protein, a lot of leafy greens, moderate amounts of compliant fruit, fish.  I eat at least every four hours.
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Did he run a glucose tolerance test? Where you fast over night then they take your blood and urine sugar levels, give you glucose and test your blood and urine glucose levels several times over 4 hours? All most sounds like hypoglycemia if you hadn't cut out carbs. I think you probably need more test maybe somebody in the medical field will notice this.
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AfricanTypeO
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Quoted from gulfcoastguy
Did he run a glucose tolerance test? Where you fast over night then they take your blood and urine sugar levels, give you glucose and test your blood and urine glucose levels several times over 4 hours? All most sounds like hypoglycemia if you hadn't cut out carbs. I think you probably need more test maybe somebody in the medical field will notice this.


He tested my fasting blood glucose but did not do the test you described.  

Maybe it will take a while for me to reap the benefits of cutting out the starchy carbs?  Just a thought.  Maybe merely cutting out the starch is not enough to make things turn around overnight....

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AfricanTypeO
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Quoted from gulfcoastguy
Did he run a glucose tolerance test? Where you fast over night then they take your blood and urine sugar levels, give you glucose and test your blood and urine glucose levels several times over 4 hours? All most sounds like hypoglycemia if you hadn't cut out carbs. I think you probably need more test maybe somebody in the medical field will notice this.


GFGuy, I just did a quick Google on hypoglycemia symptoms and it sounds as though this is EXACTLY what I am suffering from.  I have every one of these symptoms.  I also  tend to have low-to-normal blood pressure, even during periods of my life when I am not exercising regularly:


Symptoms

Symptoms of hypoglycemia include

   * hunger
   * nervousness and shakiness
   * perspiration
   * dizziness or light-headedness
   * sleepiness
   * confusion
   * difficulty speaking
   * feeling anxious or weak

Hypoglycemia can also happen while you are sleeping. You might

   * cry out or have nightmares
   * find that your pajamas or sheets are damp from perspiration
   * feel tired, irritable, or confused when you wake up

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are you also having olive oil and ghee in either salads or stir fries?

good fats are important in your diet........compliant nuts, too.

how about ground linseed for fiber?.......


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AfricanTypeO
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Quoted from lola
are you also having olive oil and ghee in either salads or stir fries?

good fats are important in your diet........compliant nuts, too.

how about ground linseed for fiber?.......


I'm having plenty of good fats

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excellent! )


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AfricanTypeO
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excellent! )



Thanks but the fats haven't helped me avoid these afternoon crashes.  I am still looking for a solution.
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One thing to try is eating regularly.  I know that you're already eating almost every 4 hours, but if you have lunch at 12, this is happening before you have anything else.  Maybe have another snack that's fairly high in protein around 2-2:30 in the afternoon and see if that helps.  

Otherwise, I'd ask for more tests to be done.  That isn't something that you should have to put up with.
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One thing that I have found recently that really helps me stay not only awake during the late afternoon but do be energized while staying awake, is eating a big salad loaded with lots of veggies and drinking a green smoothie.  I think all the enzymes are working wonders for me.  Usually I would doze off around 4 o'clock.  Now I am wide awake and energized.  Might want to try some high quality, organic raw foods and make a smoothie with a few romaine lettuce leaves and fruit.


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You mentioned your use of yogurt on a daily basis.  I would try the challenge to see if it affects this problem at all.  You may need to go without yogurt for longer than a week to see the effect.  
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The herb, Rhodiola is a good one for type O's.  It increases the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood and helps to have sustained energy.  Best to take it early in the day.



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Quoted from Victoria
The herb, Rhodiola is a good one for type O's.  It increases the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood and helps to have sustained energy.  Best to take it early in the day.


Victoria,

What form is Rhodila most usable in?  This sounds like a good one for me.

Love,

Myra.


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The herb, Rhodiola is a good one for type O's.  It increases the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood and helps to have sustained energy.  Best to take it early in the day.



Great advice - everyone!  I do have some Rhodiola on my shelf so let me start using it!  I remember when I used it before it helped me feel great - I can't remember whether or not I still had these crashes while I was using it before.   I am seeing the doctor tomorrow and I will ask for more tests.  I did some research on that test where you drink glucose and it looks like that test has been discontinued.
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And do add some vitamin K in your daily supp intake!
Vitamin K is great for bloodbuilding in type O's..

And try to focus on (animal) protein intake every 2 hours.

I had a type O nonsecretor as a patient with the same complaints you have.
She quite improved when taking animal protein every 2 hours...

As Lola said, also focus on fats and nuts, esp. in the afternoon!!

Take care

Cocky  
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AfricanTypeO
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Hmmm.  I just took a look at my bloodwork myself in person and I am a little concerned about the results.  When I had the most recent blood glucose test done, I had eaten about 1 oz of grilled salmon 90 minutes before the test.  Apart from the salmon, I had eaten nothing else for nine hours.  The blood glucose level came out at 105.  My doctor says that is on the high end of normal (but my doctor is awful)

On the phone my doc claimed that my blood glucose had come out at 82
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Rhodiola comes in capsules or tincture, and is probably good either way.  The brand I buy is Yellow Emporer Siberian Rhodiola CLICK
It is twice as expensive as most of the other tinctures, but it is 3 times more potent (3:1 herb to alcohol ratio instead of 1:1), so you use less.  It comes in a spray bottle and you spray it directly into your mouth.  It gives a real pick up without making you wired.



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Afo, think adrenal fatigue. Seriously. Afternoon crashing is just one of the symptoms. Eating rice is prob one of your problems as well. I found I have had to let that go bye-bye unless I want to sleep that is. .
I was just diagnosed via salivatory testing to be in adrenal failure. NOT a good place to be. Research shows me, it has been a LONG time coming. Look at this site (below) if you'd like. I'd like to mention, if you are going to read it, print it off, IN COLOR, and read in quiet, when you won't be interrupted. It's a long article, but a very very good one. It indicates, once you can comprehend all it contains, that anyone w/ blood sugar issues, (which it sounds like you have), has adrenal problems. Addressing ONLY the blood sugar issue is actually only addressing a symptom.  The cause of blood sugar issues is fatigued adrenals. The cause is what you want to treat. Not to say that you shouldn't eat for your blood sugar issue, but at the same time you need to treat the adrenal fatigue. PM me if you're interested in more info. Some day  , I'll get around to posting about my adrenal test and what it all entails.  Please give this some careful consideration, I'd hate to see you wind up where I am.        Please have a good look at all the symptoms listed in this article. I think I had all but 2.             Hope it helps.
http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/adrenal_fatigue.cfm

When you say fasting bloodwork, what exactly do you mean by that? how long did you fast and at what time of day was your blood drawn?  

Also, just got a chance to really read all the posts here. You say: "When I had the most recent blood glucose test done, I had eaten about 1 oz of grilled salmon 90 minutes before the test.  Apart from the salmon, I had eaten nothing else for nine hours.  The blood glucose level came out at 105."
This is not a fasting glucose level. A fasting glucose level has to be done after at least 8 hours of nothing. The fact that you had salmon 90 min before the test alters your reading and makes it not true. Do you have a home monitor to check your blood sugar?  




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AfricanTypeO
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Afo, think adrenal fatigue. Seriously. Afternoon crashing is just one of the symptoms. Eating rice is prob one of your problems as well. I found I have had to let that go bye-bye unless I want to sleep that is. .


I used to eat a small portion of rice daily as I reported in my original post but I no longer eat any starchy carbs at all, yet still have this problem..

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I was just diagnosed via salivatory testing to be in adrenal failure. NOT a good place to be. Research shows me, it has been a LONG time coming. Look at this site (below) if you'd like. I'd like to mention, if you are going to read it, print it off, IN COLOR, and read in quiet, when you won't be interrupted. It's a long article, but a very very good one. It indicates, once you can comprehend all it contains, that anyone w/ blood sugar issues, (which it sounds like you have), has adrenal problems. Addressing ONLY the blood sugar issue is actually only addressing a symptom.  The cause of blood sugar issues is fatigued adrenals. The cause is what you want to treat. Not to say that you shouldn't eat for your blood sugar issue, but at the same time you need to treat the adrenal fatigue. PM me if you're interested in more info. Some day  , I'll get around to posting about my adrenal test and what it all entails.  Please give this some careful consideration, I'd hate to see you wind up where I am.        Please have a good look at all the symptoms listed in this article. I think I had all but 2.             Hope it helps.
http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/adrenal_fatigue.cfm

When you say fasting bloodwork, what exactly do you mean by that? how long did you fast and at what time of day was your blood drawn?  

Also, just got a chance to really read all the posts here. You say: "When I had the most recent blood glucose test done, I had eaten about 1 oz of grilled salmon 90 minutes before the test.  Apart from the salmon, I had eaten nothing else for nine hours.  The blood glucose level came out at 105."
This is not a fasting glucose level. A fasting glucose level has to be done after at least 8 hours of nothing. The fact that you had salmon 90 min before the test alters your reading and makes it not true. Do you have a home monitor to check your blood sugar?  



Hi again.  I actually already read that Drlam article because I suspected adrenal issues.  My useless doctor refuses to test me for adrenal function.   Also the test the doc did is called a Random Glucose Blood Test as opposted to a Fasting Glucose or a 2 Hour Glucose.  My reading came back borderline high for that test.
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Also the test the doc did is called a Random Glucose Blood Test as opposted to a Fasting Glucose or a 2 Hour Glucose.  My reading came back borderline high for that test.



If you were to do a Glucose Tolerance test, you'd need to do the 4 or 5 hour one to get a true picture. Doesn't sound like your dr is all up on his stuff. WHAT a surprise!!      I sent you a PM.



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Pantothenic acid (B5) helps me & is supposed to be good for adrenals.  Modern medicine says you need small amounts of it & that it is supposed to be in many foods, but I need a lot more than they say!
How long have you been on the Blood type diet?
Can you get a second opinion or better yet, find a natural-type doctor.
Are you in or near a big city where you can have choices of doctors?
If we know where you live, maybe some of us can recommend someone.
In Chicago & suburbs, there is a group called "Home First" who are MDs, but also recommend natural therapies & discourage drugs, etc.
There are also private natural practitioners or naturopaths, naprapaths, etc.
I had weird symptoms of low blood sugar over 20 years ago & it is very scary at first until you figure out exactly what YOUR body needs.  It may take time, but you are on the right track.  The nice thing about the BTD is that it is safe & natural, not a drug, herb or anything that causes damage.  I wish the naysayers would realize one of the main plusses about blood type diet is that it's so safe & worth trying!!!!
We wish you well!!
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PS With your low blood pressure, you can enjoy sea salt to your hearts content!!


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PS With your low blood pressure, you can enjoy sea salt to your hearts content!!


Low blood pressure is one of the signs of very fatigued adrenals.  



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As Italybound says, adrenal fatigue might be the answer. I am reading a good book called "8 weeks to vibrant health" - it is aimed at women but applies to men in general as well.

She talks a lot about how our lifestyle and diet causes adrenal exhaustion. She also addresses thyroid issues so might be a good book to read. I checked it out from our library.

Your diet might be fine but there might be other factors causing this and I think this book does a good job of going into that. Might be a good thing to partner with your knowledge of the BTD/
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colojd, thanks for listing that book. Will look into it.
Another really good one is one MoDon told me about "Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st Century Stress Syndrome". When I post re: my test results, I'm going to include some info on that. It is all very interesting and so underdiagnosed.  



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