I have a question on fat.

do any of you other btders use low-fat products or full-fat versions? Full fat dairy or only non-fat. Do you worry about how cheese you put in with a greek salad or eggplant parmesan?

Do you just cook with as much oil as you need, or do you go out of your way to reduce it?

I'm just wondering do I go on ahead and stick to around 25-30 fat, or no?

Fat is a big problem for me.

Live right for your type limits me to 1 tbsp per day.

If I consume either ghee or flax (which are often recommended for my health conditions), I have none left over to cook with.

Even if I consume no flax or ghee, I often want
to use more than 1 tbsp a day when cooking
(to stir fry vegetables, etc. )

I find the oil limitation very frustrating.

First of all............let us please please remember that the portion amounts are GUIDELINES not something to be stressed over.  Do you do the same exact activity as me?  No Do you, yourself even do the same activity everyday? NO.  Are you the same height and weight as me? NO, see guidelines, guidelines..........

On the fat issue.  Fat is the MOST essential nutrient.  The human body can not function, absorb vitamins and minerals, undergo atp conversion processes, pretty much live, with out fat.  Fat is a much better (more efficient) source of energy than carbs and increasing fats will help most people reduce sugar cravings, if that is a problem.  A sugar/starch craving is your body crying out for fuel, fat is that fuel.  

As far as dairy fat goes, that is a seperate issue. First, no one should eat full fat dairy if it has been homoginized, this process breaks down the fat molecules unaturally, basically hydrogenates them.  But for type B's you do well with full fat yogurt and cheese if it has not been homoginized.  For type A's it is different, type A's seems to do best with low or non fat dairy.  This is individual but it seems that the biggest blood type problem with dairy for type a's is in fatct the fats, Thus no butter allowed, but ghee is fine,

Hope this answers some questions

I don't have dairy products at all.

I use only olive oil, and seldom also ghee, of which I take a teaspoon as is or on top of steamed sweet potatoes etc.

I take 1 tbl of olive oil every morning with diluted pomegranate extract, and/or sautee sole fish.

Apart from that, I go with it as I please, 'please' meaning that I consult my body.

Same here.  I don't count fat at all, but I rarely eat dairy.  The only dairy I consume is feta cheese and goat cheese.  I eat full fat on both of these, b/c I think they are closer to being "whole."  I find that low-fat and fat free typically have some type of fillers.  

With avocado, nuts, olive oil....I don't worry about the fat.  I listen to my body and eat what sounds good and feels good.

I do agree with Laura about the portion frequencies.  They are guidelines.  Each person is different.  Don't get caught up with obsessively monitoring them.  When you start doing this, you really risk turning deaf ears to what your body is asking for.  It becomes an unnatural way of eating.  

lactosefree dairy, goat and sheep cheese- no cow.-...olive oil, ghee, that's all I take but without looking at the amounts ....no problems with that .....

I also do not concern myself with fat amounts.... and I eat eat ghee, olive oil, some dairy, and a little butter. I know I consume way over the recommended amounts but that seems to work just fine for me. My cholesterol levels are always in the low normal range, with good ratios and very low triglycerides too so I don't worry about it.

Same to me!


I do not worry about my fat intake... Ghee, olive oil, in the morning in my smoothie linseedoil... Could not tell about my cholesterol levels. It's been some years since my last test....

I just feel fine and stick to my supadupa A-diet!!!

I am not rationing my fat intake at all...

Cocky

I don't eat anything that has been fat-reduced;  whatever I have is just the way it is provided by nature.  But I notice that I have had to cut back just a little on the quantities of extra virgin olive oil, since my weight was creeping up a bit.  I'll admit, I was overdoing it at 1/4 cup a day.  

I usually have a couple of cups a day of freshly made goats' milk yogurt (non homogenized), about 1 Tb. of ghee and 2 tsp. of olive oil.  That's in addition to a couple of Tb freshly ground flax.

of all fats olive oil and other vegtable oils are the ones that will put fat on if you use to much

I limit my intake of olive oil, but I'm very liberal with ghee. Also, I try to stay within the frequency guidelines for servings of nuts per week; although I do keep a bag of dried nuts and fruit in the car and purse so that I have something healthy to snack on in a pinch.

Like the other B´s I dont eat ANY thing fat reduced!!!
WHY ?
When I was fattest I had the most lean diet ( about 15- 20 % of my calories came from fat !)-
but I also had lots of calories( grains and sugar and avoids- pr day.
Beacourse I had no fat- or very little-I did not get satisfied in my brain- but could easily drink more than 1 litre no fat milk pr day- plus 1-2 servings of no fat yoghurt- and several slices quite rubbery cheese!
Today the 1 glas milk I have is best quality( full fat, non homogenized- organic jerseymilk) - the same goes for my yoghurt and cheese.
I don´t feel bad about the ghee and olive oil- but I do limit my self to 1 serving of nuts pr day- or I could easy go crazy there
- and I have lost all- but 10 kg of my overweight- by consuming more RIGHT fat and not less fat !
This summer when I was paying  a lot attention to my diet - I made a few calculations and I had about 30- 40 % fat pr day- and still lost weight !

Get enough fat so you can control your appetite.  I'm sure that olive oil or any food with veggie fat is safe in larger amounts.  I know that As have to watch fat, but I'm sure it's the animal kind.  So don't agonize--eat a little extra & see what happens.  Sugars & starches are the worst, anyway.   'Fat reduced' items probably make you hungrier than having that little extra fat, anyway!
I  must eat over 1/2 cup of olive oil daily & as long as I avoided starches, I kept around 130# or less for about a year.  I added more brown rice the past couple of months & the weight bumped up right away, even with the same # of calories!
Don't tell me that 'a calorie is a calorie!'
S S & L,
Mrs "T"     O+

I use 3 T olive oil and eat 1 oz of walnuts, and 1 oz of pumpkin seeds,  almost daily and continue to lose.

Looks like we are all forming a conclusion about fats vs. sugar and starches.

Fats are winning.  

I so agree with you Victoria. Sugar and starches put the pounds on, whereas fats do not (at least beneficial fats)!

Quoted from outdoordrea

I so agree with you Victoria. Sugar and starches put the pounds on, whereas fats do not (at least beneficial fats)!

Hear  

For sugar cravings, do you have to use cheese. I just tried it and it makes my skin feel greasy, plus I feel so tired afterwards.

OT question:

do you ever get used to the taste of stevia? I'm still adjusting.

use meat or fish protein instead........

Quoted from Victoria

Looks like we are all forming a conclusion about fats vs. sugar and starches.

Fats are winning.  

fats for me   i vote for fats

Quoted from Brenna

OT question:

do you ever get used to the taste of stevia? I'm still adjusting.

I don't care for the taste of stevia, either. I'd rather have calories from agave nectar or veg gly than no calories from stevia.

Quoted from Brenna

For sugar cravings, do you have to use cheese. I just tried it and it makes my skin feel greasy, plus I feel so tired afterwards.

OT question:

do you ever get used to the taste of stevia? I'm still adjusting.

You don't have to eat cheese;  just focus on proteins and fats instead of carbs and sugar.

Stevia?  I can't stand the stuff, and never eat it!

I stay within the guidelines of fats/oils as outlined in Live Right, which works well for myself.  I use mostly organic, extra virgin oilve oil as my culinary oil, but I have used flax oil, walnut oil, borage oil as culinary oils, as well.  I do not cook with olive oil; I use the oil at the end of cooking or drizzle it over food.

I also add a small handful of raw, organic walnuts to my morning breakfast daily.  

I currently do not eat dairy, but when I have in the past, I believe it was mostly regular and not the low fat version of goat/sheep products.  I have purchased the lower fat version of cow milk yogurt, which works better for my digestive system than the full fat version.

Alia

I know I read it on the forum somewhere.  I'm almost positive it was Dr. D who said it.  Something about fat doesn't make you fat, carbs do and it was specifically omething about that the insulin loop/pathway....something like that, is not triggered by fat but by carbohydrates.

Does anyone remember this?  I'm trying to find the quote and haven't had much luck searching.

I eat plenty of fat, as flax and olive oil, some grapeseed oil (not analyzed, I think)--apart from fat in fish and meat.  I trim my meat very carefully, and don't like chicken fat.  My skin appreciates all this, and my cholesterol/trigly. are outstanding--always good, but really great now I have cut way back on grain/dairy.  In the winter, I must confess I have spelt and goat/sheep cheese, more than the guidelines, but not huge amounts either.  Ideally for weight and body balance, I'd pretty much skip them.  In the summer, I can get so thin and "keen" that I run away from it--"unbearable lightness of being" anyone?

Quoted from KimonoKat

I know I read it on the forum somewhere.  I'm almost positive it was Dr. D who said it.  Something about fat doesn't make you fat, carbs do and it was specifically omething about that the insulin loop/pathway....something like that, is not triggered by fat but by carbohydrates.

Does anyone remember this?  I'm trying to find the quote and haven't had much luck searching.

Here's a basic explanation from my Biochem class:
Insulin is the key hormone that allows adipocytes (fat cells) to take in glucose.  Adipocytes must have glucose in order to form triglycerides (fat) as they convert it into the glycerol backbone to which fatty acids are attached.  Insulin release is triggered by blood glucose levels.

So, eat a lot of carbs, flood the blood with glucose, glucose used to make energy and glycogen, then EXCESS glucose is used to make triglycerides which are stored in the body.  

The body is highly efficient and does not let go of energy, so if you have extra, the body will find a way to store it for later (therefore: create excess fat).

Thanks Kate!  

yes KK, insulin resistance is what you re looking for.

here s a good read on lectins and weight loss......
lectins that mimic insulin resistance....excess carbs.....insulin receptors
https://www.dadamo.com/napharm/gk8.htm

Lola,
How can we currently access that site on Continuing Education that you just posted the link for KK?

here s the index
http://www.dadamo.com/napharm/productindex.htm

I got it through the general search button on the home page

I wasn't able to find the way to access that link from the home page.  Once I get to the home page, where do I go from there, Lola?  That's a very helpful page of explanations.

I wouldn t know........found it while doing the general search.......
so I d add the link of the index I just gave you to your favorites, for future reference.

Thanks, Lola.  I think that page is connected with the older version of this website, and is not actually part of this currect one.  So what you have is a treasure!  

yes, even the background is from the other boards......
keeping the link to the index is always handy....

Well, thanks, again.  I have saved the link, and consider it a key to the past.  I notice the old NAP used to sell siberian ginseng, shea butter, and various other things no longer available through the store.

Lola,

Thanks for retrieving and posting Dr. Kelly's writing for us.


Alia

Let me get this correctly - for a B

I should go full fat dairy
eat my meats and dairy according to listed amounts and frequency
watch my carbs i. e. oats, rice, bread, etc.

Yes Brenna - you´ve got it
And IF you need to loose weight- eat less grain/the lowest frequency and get more veggies instead_ but never skip good B fat

I am just reading a book called "8 Weeks to Vibrant Health" by Dr. Hyla Cass. She stated (and I have read this other places too) that back in the 1980's the doctors were telling everyone to eat "low fat". My own doctor did the same and said it was the only way to lose weight. As Dr. Cass said, they now are looking back on that and finding that this was when obesity really rose in North America. I know I was taking "Lean Cuisine" meals as lunches to work and they were doing nothing for me - still hungry and did not feel well. Now we know they were mostly white pasta and white rice based - remember when doctors told you that pasta was good for you because it was low fat? Also remember when doctors all told us to use margarine as a healthy alternative - now we know most were made with trans fats which they said was worse for us than using natural fat like butter!

The correct thing to do now is to use the beneficial or neutral oils and watch the saturated fats and to use organic everything as much as possible.

It is frustrating to all of us I'm sure to be told that we have to do something and then a few years later told "oops, we were wrong". Basically I almost think that doctors conspire with the food and drug companies to use everyday people as their guinea pigs to get reseach information by having the consumer pay both out of pocket and with their insurance!

I like Dr. Cass's approach that many things have common reasons and simple, non-drug solutions.  

Quoted from Victoria

Thanks, Lola.  I think that page is connected with the older version of this website, and is not actually part of this currect one.  So what you have is a treasure!  

Most of these articles are in the current NAP Product Knowledge Base, which is available from the NAP website in the left-hand menu.

It appears that at least some of the articles that are not included are obsolete, such as the entry about the old NAP protein bars.

oh!
Thanks, Don.  That's a big help.  Everytime I went to Product Knowledge base, I was getting an article instead of the index.  This time I searched further, and found what you are linking to.  I appreciate it!  
p.s.  Hope you are doing well, these days!