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I am curious as to why saurkraut is an avoid or neutral for everyone.  Many cultures believe it is an incredibly healthy food from the natural fermentation.  I am looking for a specific reason for it's rating

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http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archivea/config.pl?read=88859
here s one point of view for fermenting for As in general........
will look further to find an explanation for you........can t promise I ll find it, though.

http://www.dadamo.com/forum/convert1/config.pl?read=1119
ahhh! and from Dr D himself.......will keep on looking.......


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Hi Laura,

the initial 'problem' came from the fact that like commercial pickles the pickling acid for sauerkraut was/is vinegar.  Homemade or Eden Foods natural fermented cabbage is a lactic acid form, that is very healthy.  Not sure if this was ever tested for bt compliance.

Am curious to know if naturally-fermented turnip is available anywhere.

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Unfortunately (according to the TypeBase4) cabbage is an avoid for both A secretors and A nonnies. I wonder if fermenting it does anything to this status? I love sauerkraut, although I haven't had any in years.


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Brine pickles are listed as an avoid for Type A non-secretors even though they don't contain vinegar.  The book, Wild Fermentation, helps you learn how to make your own fermented ANYTHING (practically), including nearly any vegetable.  
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I've just ordered the book, thanks to the link you posted on another thread. I'm so excited for it to come!


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Drea,

http://www.dadamo.com/forum/convert1/config.pl?read=1119
there!
I had already posted it up above.....hope it works


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Lola, could you link again?  The link didn't work!
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Hi Vicki,

please re-read a description of pickles brine .... I read it as containing vinegar .... this may be the no-no.  Cabbage lectins are eliminated during natural fermentation ... even making cabbage-rejuvelac.  I do NOT know whether this type a natural fermentation is now OK for blood types with a vinegar problem.

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Drea,

http://www.dadamo.com/forum/convert1/config.pl?read=1119
there!
I had already posted it up above.....hope it works


But why? That is, what about sauerkraut is not recommended? Is it because most sauerkrauts are made with vinegar, or is it the cabbage, or what?

This link doesn't give me any new information  


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Hi Vicki,

please re-read a description of pickles brine .... I read it as containing vinegar .... this may be the no-no.  Cabbage lectins are eliminated during natural fermentation ... even making cabbage-rejuvelac.  I do NOT know whether this type a natural fermentation is now OK for blood types with a vinegar problem.

John


Perhaps there is still hope for me and sauerkraut! I wonder what the correlation between fermentation and vinegar is.


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Maybe it is the concern about mold ant the type A immune system, per TYPEbase entry for sauerkraut "This food can be a source of mold contamination".


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Yet this is true about so many things, nuts, miso, tofu, beans, rice is considered by some people to mold within 15 min of cooking



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vinegar is an acid formed from the fermentation of alcohol ... so most modern pickles are made by cooking first ... then putting them in jars with vinegar and added spices .... colouring, salt and sugar too!

Natural fermentation of cabbage produces lactic acid (+) .... a very different acid than vinegar(acetic acid).  that being said though:  I doubt this form was ever tested for bt compliance.  I do not know how different blood groups respond to lactic acid .... even if the lectin issue has changed.

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Found this HERE:
"POLYFLORA Probiotics

The term "Probiotic" means "in favor of life". It was coined in 1910, by a Russian physician named Metchnikoff, who promoted a theory of longevity which associated prolonged life and improved health with decreased gastrointestinal toxicity. He suggested that aging is a process mediated by chronic exposure to putrefactive intoxication caused by imbalances in intestinal bacteria and that this process could be halted by the routine ingestion of lactic acid bacteria and their "fermented" ("cultured") food products. Almost 90 years have passed since he introduced these radical ideas; however, in many respects his ideas have been proven to be true. Consumption of lactic acid bacteria, or food cultured or fermented with these friendly microorganisms does extend life in animal experiments and does dramatically reduce a wide range of intestinal metabolites, such as indoles, polyamines, cresols, nitrates/nitrites, and carcinogens which we now know are counterproductive to good health.


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Type A's can eat dairy (yogurt and such) which also has lactic acid- thus lactic acid in and of itself is neutral



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So what have we found out so far? Fermenting destroys the cabbage lectin (which makes cabbage no longer an avoid?) and produces lactic acid (which is a neutral)...so I'm thinking that perhaps homemade sauerkraut would become neutral for As.

Is my logic correct here?


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Well this was the logic I went through before I asked the question.  Yet I wanted to see if you all went through the same reasoning, nice to see you did.

Therefore under the new logic that would make it neutral for A, B and AB and avoid for O

This is just theory of course



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Cabbage doesn't have a lectin listed in TYPEbase.


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The description of brine pickle in the typebase4 says "brine or vinegar".  Both brine pickles and vinegar pickles are listed in typebase.  The author of Wild Fermentation says you can remove mold, if it forms, similar to removing mold from cheese.  
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Previously cabbage juice was neutral for A's but it was switched to an avoid in Live Right For Your Type.  
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Hi MoDon and Laura,

all this may be new to you but this was a topic on the old-board too.  It was much the same kind of fine reading into unheated vs heated honey.  Most of the store-bought honey was of the heated variety ... an avoid.  Heidi said that all lectin testing was done on commercial store-bought food.

So we had a problem with unheated honey and with naturally fermented sauerkraut.  

Instead of treating them as 'unknowns' there was a caution about using these foods only in small amounts ... even if they did not cause noticeable upset.  They are OK for O-sec but O-nonnies need be extra cautious.

hope this doesn't add even more confusion........

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