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colojd
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A friend recently sent my husband an email saying that people should only drink hot or room temperature beverages with their meals. The theory was that cold beverages slow down digestion and even solidify fats in the stomach. Kind of made sense but would like to hear if this is actually accurate.

A woman who worked for me a while back told me her doctor told her never to drink iced beverages, especially if you have fillings and other dental work in your mouth. As I recall she said he told her that it would "chill" your brain. I know that sounds strange but also wondered about this as well.

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I believe Ayurveda also encourages room temp beverages for optimal digestive function.
I get criticized a lot whenever I ask for non iced water in restaurants no matter how hot it is outside!

I also do not consume boiling hot beverages.......I always wait for tea or soup to cool before drinking........works for me! )


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I tend to like room temperature beverages as a general rule.  That said, I personally do not feel that drinking a cold (or a hot, for that matter) beverage is going to hurt one in the least.  Ayurvedic tradition is VERY wise in certain ways (hatha yoga), yet in the realm of diet, to me, it has some questionable theories.  If I ate as it says a pitta type should eat, for example, I'm sure I'd be 300 lbs first and then dead second.

I'll take the O diet!  Wu HUUU!

Finally, I was thinking about this beverage temp. Q yesterday and thought about this:  I always think looking to/sticking to nature is the best way to go, and if you think about it, when humans were living la vida loca, living off the land, hunters and gatherers and all that good jazz, they would bend down and drink out of the flowing river, which would indeed be ice cold if the weather were cold, which is a good chunk of the year in most of North America, anyway.


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Thanks for your thoughts on this. I do agree that if we were living out in the open that most of the water that we would drink from streams and other sources would be cold, but maybe not necessarily ice cold unless we were drinking from the stream that was partially frozen.

On that note, if ice cold water slows down digestion, that if the humans living out in the open in the winter would drink it, it would slow down digestion and maybe help them from starvation during lean times of the winter. Kind of interesting to think about that.

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My own inclination is to let most things I eat/drink come close to room temperature before I eat them.  I don't think it's good for our digestion to drink beverages with ice in them, but on a really hot day, there's nothing like a glass of something cold.  Try and leave out the ice, and don't have cold beverages with a meal.   And maybe you could let it warm up just a tad, so that you don't chill your stomach so badly.

It's not just Ayurveda that advises against very hot and very cold beverages.  It's also advised in traditional chinese medicine to consume foods as close to room/body temperature as you can.  That way you aren't fighting your body's natural processes.  

That said, we're human beings, and hopefully we can enjoy in moderation the things we love, and not get excessive or extreme with our approach to health.



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Victoria you are so right - becoming obsessive about anything just make people frustrated and confused as to what they are doing is best.

I just thought it was an interesting concept and wanted a little feedback on it. I am sure I am going to drink hot things on a cold night or very cold things on a very hot day, but just for fun we are going to try to keep drinks more at an even temperature.

Not long ago I read about the water diet and the theory with that was kind of similar - people now are dehydrated more than they think because they do not consume enough fruits and vegetables that are naturally water containing. One thing they did say was to drink down a glass of water before eating and to chug it down, not just sip away. They didn't really specify the temperature but I would assume it would be hard to do that with icy water or really hot water!

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It's not just Ayurveda that advises against very hot and very cold beverages.  It's also advised in traditional chinese medicine to consume foods as close to room/body temperature as you can.  That way you aren't fighting your body's natural processes.  

That said, we're human beings, and hopefully we can enjoy in moderation the things we love, and not get excessive or extreme with our approach to health.

hmmm...well, if Ayurveda and traditional Chinese medicine both advise against temp. extremes in beverages, there has to be something to it, imho.  Still, as you point out, extremes in our approach to health are no better than extremes in our beverage temperatures *lol*.  As a rule, I will stick to my room temp. preference now and if anyone picks on it (which has been known to occur), I can now say, take it up with Ayurveda and traditional Chinese medicine.  I will stick to the room temp stuff, but I also will drink cold and hot beverages at times and not worry about it.

Interestingly, I drink tea all day at work (peppermint and green, mostly), and I always wait for it to cool WAY down before partaking.  I prefer it to be down to room temp, which none of my co-workers get *shrug*.


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Not long ago I read about the water diet and the theory with that was kind of similar - people now are dehydrated more than they think because they do not consume enough fruits and vegetables that are naturally water containing.

Interesting note:  I notice that when I am grain-free, I naturally drink less water than I do when eating grains.  I attribute this shift to the fact that I am getting far more water naturally from fruits and veggies, and I remember Dr. D. writing that this is the best way to get your water, for deep/intracellular hydration.  I still drink a LOT of water, but far less than when I am eating grains.  I also recalled recently when I noticed all this how, the other time I went grain-free and then BACK to grains, I had experienced being thirsty all the time at first and wondered why.  Then I had realized, oooh, could it be from the grains?  Grains make me thirsty, whereas most fruits and veggies are hydrating.  Yet another cool feature of the O non diet.



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Quoted from Edna
.  I will stick to the room temp stuff, but I also will drink cold and hot beverages at times and not worry about it.

Interestingly, I drink tea all day at work (peppermint and green, mostly), and I always wait for it to cool WAY down before partaking.  I prefer it to be down to room temp, which none of my co-workers get *shrug*.


Same here!  

I drink several cups of hot liquids a day, but I notice that I tend to let it sit until it has naturally cooled down quite a bit.  It's still very warm when I drink it, but not Florida asphalt hot!  



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I like to drink my liquids at room temperature or slightly warm as much as I possibly can.  I do not tend to drink anything ice cold or add ice cubes to my drinks.  

Iced beverages/foods chill the functioning of the liver according to TCM.

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I also like my liquids at room temperature or slightly warm as I find it better for digestion.  Also, whenever I have anything too hot or cold I can taste my dental amalgams.  Not a good thing.  

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Alia, can you explain what TCM is? I am not familiar with that term. What do they specifically state about hot/cold beverages? I had also heard that it was not good for liver function but never knew specifics.

Debra when you mentioned dental amalgams, that made me remember what the lady who told me about iced beverages said. She said her doctor told her that people who have dental fillings should never drink iced beverages because the fillings kind of act as a conductor and (as she called it) "chill the brain". Not sure if that really happens but I do recall she said that was her reason for no ice!
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I like to drink my liquids at room temperature or slightly warm as much as I possibly can.  I do not tend to drink anything ice cold or add ice cubes to my drinks.  

Iced beverages/foods chill the functioning of the liver according to TCM.

Alia




I also read that drinking iced cold liquids or even eating frozen fruiit
"chills the spleen"  
Not sure what this does in the long run though  
Anybody ??

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Like Lisalea I would also like more specific information. It is a little confusing to say that the too hot or too cold liquids are bad for your liver or spleen but do not explain.

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I guess this too is totally individual......
I don t see my hub drinking his water without ice, anytime soon!!!
but for me, I just simply cannot drink anything ice cold!
it feels like I m 'shocking' my body at all levels, brain, spleen, liver, you name it!

there must be a scientific explanation for all this, and I believe TCM has done a good job of explaining........I d google it if I were you and wanted to really know more on this regard....
I just follow my instincts and that has helped me in many ways, later to find out there is actually a science behind this or that issue.


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I think a simple way of saying it is that iced foods can "shock" the internal organs and momentarily interrupt their natural state or functioning.  Doing this occasionally is not a big deal.  Regular practice of  this can gradually throw off the internal balance, and leaving our bodies vulnerable to decline in healthy organ function.



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Makes sense - and look at how often people drink iced drinks every day? You have to even request no ice with water in a restaurant. This may be another subtle but important thing about our modern diet that has things so off balance. I am sure, as you say, an iced drink now and then will not do a lot of harm, just like eating an accidental avoid.
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What about lemonade, is that good for you like the Master Cleanse lemonade?
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welcome!
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lemon water is great!

most have it first thing in the morning, to detoxify!

I always add lemon to my water.........some even sip it with the help of a straw to guard teeth enamel.


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Welcome RoyalLemonyFlush,

Thanks for joining us on the forum.

'Real' lemonade with no preservatives or added fake sweeteners is fine for all blood types.  Lemons are a great internal cleanser and rev up the digestive system of blood type A's.  

I love drinking my warm lemon water every morning.

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colojd,

Yes, Lola explained the acronym for TCM.

(Thanks, Lola).

Chilled foods/beverages weaken the liver by making it stagnant and congested.  Over time, constant and continual use of chilled foods/beverages contribute to the weakening of the liver.  

I try to take good care of my liver since its functioning is so vastly important for our health.

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Alia, that was very interesting. As I mentioned before, if you look around and see people drinking iced beverages all day long, if it truly does slow down our liver and other functions, it certainly must contribute to all of the health issues. People who drink many iced sodas a day must be doing a lot of damage.

I do agree with the lemon water. I don't drink it all the time, but I found that if you are feeling sluggish, sipping it in the morning really helps. I also read that just a pinch of natural sea salt in your lemon water helps to replenish your electrolytes. Sea salt has some good minerals that I guess regular "white salt" does not.
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Not long ago I read about the water diet and the theory with that was kind of similar - people now are dehydrated more than they think because they do not consume enough fruits and vegetables that are naturally water containing. One thing they did say was to drink down a glass of water before eating and to chug it down, not just sip away. They didn't really specify the temperature but I would assume it would be hard to do that with icy water or really hot water!


Hmm... I've read from various sources and also heard from hot yoga teachers I've had that sipping is a much more efficient way to hydrate your body.  From personal experience, I've felt a difference with this way too.

The reasoning is that ff you chug a lot of water at once it's too much for your body to absorb and you'll just have to pee a lot instead of actually absorbing the water and getting hydrated... plus a bad thing is that all that water flushing though your system can also flush out electrolytes and vitamins.  I think slow and steady sipping throughout the day is the best way to stay hydrated.

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