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Is this ok for me ??
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don t see why not, if honey were a neutral or beneficial for you, and you had no specific health issues to take care of first.


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don t see why not, if honey were a neutral or beneficial for you, and you had no specific health issues to take care of first.




and you had no specific health issues to take care of first ??

What do u mean Lola
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well, the food lists in the health series books have a slight difference on certain foods, it s a more targeted advice depending on the issue.......for me, certain neutrals become 'infrequent neutrals' or avoids.......

that s what I was referring to.


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well, the food lists in the health series books have a slight difference on certain foods, it s a more targeted advice depending on the issue.......for me, certain neutrals become 'infrequent neutrals' or avoids.......

that s what I was referring to.




OH ok i see ... i still haven't gotten  my hands on that series ... Thanks again


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do you have any kind of specific health issues you might want to look into?

someone might help pointing out the value for honey in that particular book.....


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do you have any kind of specific health issues you might want to look into?

someone might help pointing out the value for honey in that particular book.....



The issues I have right now is alot of stomach/intestines growling/bubbling/gurgling and lots of burping

It's frustrating !!

I eat alot of honey since it doesn't seem to bother me.
I put in on manna bread ... it's sooooo delicious !!
Yummi yum yum !!
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Thanks so much Lola !!


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John has often mentioned the use of 'raw honey' to be very therapeutic.
you might want to look into it.


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The issues I have right now is alot of stomach/intestines growling/bubbling/gurgling and lots of burping
I eat alot of honey since it doesn't seem to bother me.I


Lisalea, you say that honey doesn't seem to bother you, but could it maybe be the culprit or is this something new you've added to your regimin.  If you've been eating honey the whole time you've had the  stomach/intestines growling/bubbling/gurgling and lots of burping thing goin' on  ,   maybe consider taking a week away from honey to see if things change. If not and you are going to continue w/ the honey, try to find local honey as it's supposed to be good re: allergies.



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John has often mentioned the use of 'raw honey' to be very therapeutic.
you might want to look into it.



I would love to look into it, Thanks  !!

Oh yes, I always buy unpasteurized raw honey.

Can I find the info here somewhere or should I google it ??
Cheers Lola !!


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I'm guessin' if wildflower honey is okay (considered a neutral unless there is a specific health issue), that orange blossom honey would be ok too?  



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Lisalea, you say that honey doesn't seem to bother you, but could it maybe be the culprit or is this something new you've added to your regimin.  If you've been eating honey the whole time you've had the  stomach/intestines growling/bubbling/gurgling and lots of burping thing goin' on  ,   maybe consider taking a week away from honey to see if things change. If not and you are going to continue w/ the honey, try to find local honey as it's supposed to be good re: allergies.


Thanks my dear it's good to see u here ...

I'm quite confused about all this growling/bubbling/gurgling that's been going on, just recently I read somewhere that it may be because I have alot of stomach acid !!!
I though it was the opposite and that I had low stomach acid ...go figure !!!
I also keep reading that it may be due to stress ...


I would really appreciate it if Dr.D'Adamo would adress this problem.
Any possibility of this happening ???!!!


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I'm guessin' if wildflower honey is okay (considered a neutral unless there is a specific health issue), that orange blossom honey would be ok too?  



I think all honey is ok if it's a neutral and NOT an avoid ...  


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I think all honey is ok if it's a neutral and NOT an avoid ...  


This would be my thought as well, however, is orange blossom considered an avoid as it the fruit itself? That is my question.  



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Italy, the bees take the pollen from the flowers and turn that into  honey.  So the value for honey would be for all types of honey regardless of the source of pollen.  Unheated honey has the benefits that keep bees so healthy and thriving.  Raw honey may have been heated during filtering.  
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Italy, the bees take the pollen from the flowers and turn that into  honey.  So the value for honey would be for all types of honey regardless of the source of pollen.  Unheated honey has the benefits that keep bees so healthy and thriving.  Raw honey may have been heated during filtering.  



Would the raw unpasteurized honey have the most benefits ???
Thanks very much in advance


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Raw honey can be heated during filtration.  Call the producer to see if they can verify that your honey is UNHEATED!
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Lisalea,
if the threads containing the raw honey issue are still here, you might find more info, yes. (search button on top of the page, here)

use the general search button in the home page for old board threads and more......



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Italy, the bees take the pollen from the flowers and turn that into  honey.  So the value for honey would be for all types of honey regardless of the source of pollen.   


Vicki, thank you very much for your reply. This is the info for which I was looking.



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Hi LisaLea,
I used to have horrible gurgling and rumbling in my insides.  It was terribly embarrasing and even kept me awake at nights.  It has decreased almost to nothing since I stopped eating all gluten grains.



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Hehe..and I meant NECTAR instead of POLLEN!  Silly me!  Bees do distribute the pollen stuck to their bodies to fertilize the flowers but they carry the nectar back to the hive to turn into honey.  
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Hi LisaLea,
I used to have horrible gurgling and rumbling in my insides.  It was terribly embarrasing and even kept me awake at nights.  It has decreased almost to nothing since I stopped eating all gluten grains.



Oh my God !!!
I know exactly how u used to feel ... VERY embarassing indeed and scarey especially in the dead of night!!!

I have so many questions !!
Did all the horrible gurgling and rumbling in ur insides happen suddenly out of the blue one day ?
Did  u go see a professional about ?

How did u figure out that it was simply a gluten intolerance versus something more lethal ??
Thank-u so much for sharing, it inspires me as I'm trying to find answers and others that have gone thru this or r going thru this.

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I dealt with this for years, LisaLea.  I tried changing my diet in all kinds of ways, and found some things that helped.  The biggest help was finding my secretor status, because when I thought I was a secretor, I was eating lots of avoids, such as my beloved Late' ( ), sugar, wheat, etc.

After cutting out avoids, I felt a lot better, but still had the noisy tummy.  I went to my doc and he suggested that I try staying away from all gluten for a month and see if it helped.  So I did, and I saw a difference within a couple of days.  It didn't even take a week for me to feel better.  I had to stop with even the sprouted grain breads, because they also have gluten.



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Lisalea, one way you can think about things "all of a sudden" bothering you is this..........picture a cup, a drop at a time, it takes a long time to fill up. But then one day, it does indeed and then the cup runneth over.  I liken that to how our bodies react to avoids or in this case to grain intolerance. It may have taken many years to get this way, but now we have problems, our cups runneth over, they say "enough, I can't take anymore" and start causing symptoms.  It's easy to understand (for me anyway) if you think about it like that. When we add that last avoid (or last drip of water), the problems start.   Hope that helps a bit. I can't tell you how many people have said to me "but I've never had problems w/ _____ before".  I give them the ol' cup runneth over scenario.   Also as Victoria pointed out, knowing your secretor status will help you immensely. You can also be tested for gluten intolerance/celiac.



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I dealt with this for years, LisaLea.  I tried changing my diet in all kinds of ways, and found some things that helped.  The biggest help was finding my secretor status, because when I thought I was a secretor, I was eating lots of avoids, such as my beloved Late' ( ), sugar, wheat, etc.

After cutting out avoids, I felt a lot better, but still had the noisy tummy.  I went to my doc and he suggested that I try staying away from all gluten for a month and see if it helped.  So I did, and I saw a difference within a couple of days.  It didn't even take a week for me to feel better.  I had to stop with even the sprouted grain breads, because they also have gluten.



This clears things up for me somewhat ... take for instance today I ate a big bowl of broccoli, carrots, lima beans, basmati rice, a little butter, seasalt, paprika and curry powder (it was so delicious !!!) and I still gurgled somewhat ... but ALOT less than usual I've noticed ... at least so far ...
I'm gonna have to experiment more in depth ... time and patience is a virtue ...  
however; even spelt and oatmeal r  NOT gluten free I beleive and they're supposed to be beneficial for me ...  

People on this board have reminded me that  BTD is a guideline but if we have a specific intolerance/problem  that throws off the theory somewhat in the sence that we r all individuals ... and rightly so ... with different needs and what works in general is NOT necessarily what will work for every single person on earth ... sigh

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Lisalea, one way you can think about things "all of a sudden" bothering you is this..........picture a cup, a drop at a time, it takes a long time to fill up. But then one day, it does indeed and then the cup runneth over.  I liken that to how our bodies react to avoids or in this case to grain intolerance. It may have taken many years to get this way, but now we have problems, our cups runneth over, they say "enough, I can't take anymore" and start causing symptoms.  It's easy to understand (for me anyway) if you think about it like that. When we add that last avoid (or last drip of water), the problems start.   Hope that helps a bit. I can't tell you how many people have said to me "but I've never had problems w/ _____ before".  I give them the ol' cup runneth over scenario.   Also as Victoria pointed out, knowing your secretor status will help you immensely. You can also be tested for gluten intolerance/celiac.



Thank-u cara ... but my doctor didn't think that was necessary !!!!!
grrrrrr
and he was a gastroenterologist !!!
They r just NOT aware of such digestive disorders/ problems I'm sorry to say ... I prefer naturopaths (with reason), they try to get to the bottom of the problems before it becomes a DISorder.

U're right though ... the straw that broke the camel's back is pretty much the same theory for me  

I guess when we're younger we can handle ALOT more guck and as I've always heard from my elders ... in the forties all the booboos start to come to the forefront hence all the health problems start !!!
Aging has it's positive sides but this isn't one of them


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even spelt and oatmeal r  NOT gluten free I beleive and they're supposed to be beneficial for me ...  


Lisalea, these would only be beneficial for you if you were a secretor and if you had no other health issues. (as you prob know, some foods change status in the Health Series books).  Of course you know if you have grain or gluten intolerances, well, bad news on that front.   Hopefully that is not the issue.

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BTD is a guideline but if we have a specific intolerance/problem  that throws off the theory somewhat in the sence that we r all individuals ... and rightly so ... with different needs and what works in general is NOT necessarily what will work for every single person on earth ... sigh


oh if I could only get my daughter to understand this!! you said it so well. she just argues that not all O's can eat the same. No kidding, if she'd just open the book and read it.  




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I think you're getting the picture, LisaLea.  
Individuality is what this lifestyle is all about. BTD is not another one of those fantasy "One Size Fits All" diets.  The fact that people have so many variations in their health needs, places the responsibility on ourselves when it comes to making the decisions.

You don't necessarily need to have Celiac disease in order to be gluten intolerant.  I am not Celiac, by the way, but am gluten intolerant just the same.  You can find out by trying to completely cut it out for a while and see how you feel.  However, I must warn you that if you cut out gluten, but happen to be a non-secretor, and if you continue to eat sugar and coffee, you won't get an accurate result on your self-test.  You may be reacting to avoids that you are eating without knowing it.



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Thank-u cara... but my doctor didn't think that was necessary !!!!!
grrrrrr...and he was a gastroenterologist !!!


Please at least keep the gluten/grain intolerance in mind if your symptoms don't clear up. Maybe you'll find a dr who will be willing to test for them in the future if you are still having problems. Doesn't surprise me the dr didn't want to test. Goodness if he figured out your problem that quickly, he couldn't keep you coming back, now could he.     Sorry, just don't have a whole lot of faith in their honesty. I know some are not educated, well prob most, re: nutrition, but in my mind, I still think they'd keep ya in the dark just to make another buck off ya.  
One reason I dumped the new MD/NP after the 1st visit (refused to test T3&T4 for thyroid) and one reason I keep the old MD (he'll run pretty much any test I ask).




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remember: 'practice makes perfect!!'?


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remember: 'practice makes perfect!!'?


oh we can only hope!  



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Thanks everybody ... I've realized that if I want to stay healthy as long as possible,
I NEED to take matters into our own hands  !!
This means exercising and eating healthy ... BTD seems so reasonable to me and I shall
continue to eat in this manner 'cause the more I learn about it ... the more I become
fascinated; ESPECIALLY by the results that the people seem to be obtaining following their blood types !!
It's so promising

I would just love to find the strength to be TOTALLY 100% compliant !!
hehehe

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oh we can only hope!  



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