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Michele
Friday, October 13, 2006, 6:20pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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I started the BTD for Arthritis about 2 months ago.  I'm learning alot of new things, and have struggled with compliance.  Being a full-time employee, wife, and mother of 2 active teenagers, sometimes it is impossible to be in compliance.  But I've done the best I can, and I'm even in my second week of NO COFFEE.  Having drank coffee for almost 30 years, that's an accomplishment in itself!  

But I'm more than a little frustrated that my arthritis feels worse than ever.  So bad the last few days I've been taking some OTC pain relievers just to go about my day.  I HATE HATE HATE taking any pain killers, because I believe that diet is the key to this horrid disease, as well as connecting the mind to alot of aches and pains.  Guess I'm just feeling sorry for myself right now, I'm young (47) want to be active (run, bike), and it's not fair.  Not that life is fair, I know that, but I'm doing everything right!!

After two months, could I still be de-toxing?  Oh, I did order the secretor test but it hasn't arrived yet.
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Couple of questions:

Are you taking Deflect?
Are you grain free?
Are you getting beneficials at every meal?

What avoids, and infrequent neutrals are you still currently ingesting?

I know for me, it's really hard getting the infrequent neutrals out of my diet on a consistent basis, because even infrequent neutrals kick up the symptoms.  I have a bit of a flair up today, and I'm certain it's because I've had rice and a chocolate bar within the last two days.


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Quoted from KimonoKat
Couple of questions:

Are you taking Deflect?
Are you grain free?
Are you getting beneficials at every meal?

What avoids, and infrequent neutrals are you still currently ingesting?

I know for me, it's really hard getting the infrequent neutrals out of my diet on a consistent basis, because even infrequent neutrals kick up the symptoms.  I have a bit of a flair up today, and I'm certain it's because I've had rice and a chocolate bar within the last two days.


I am taking NAG glucosamine and lots of bromelain.  I bought alot of both and need to use up both before buying anymore supplements.  I WILL buy the deflect when I'm through my supply.

Yes, I'm grain free.  The only avoids that have crossed my lips in the past 2 months has been an occasional chip (maybe 6?)  I've also eaten a few small bags of popcorn at football games, and I think 2 hotdogs that included the buns.  The other night I did eat regular spaghetti because I was feeding the cross country team, and simply didn't have the energy to make anything else.

Yes, I specifically try to eat beneficials every single meal.  Breakfast may be the only exception.  For lunch today I had a mixed green salad, gluten-free dressing, and a sweet potato.  (which is another question: sweet potatos are beneficial, but yams are avoids, and I'll be darned if I can't find a SP in my grocery store - I had to go to Wild Oats to get one!)

I did not bring my book with me today, but I'll try to list some infrequent avoids I do eat.
I think eggs might be a frequent, but I have 3 egg whites every morning with 2 pieces of Ezekial bread.
Salad dressing might fall into this category, but I try to look for the gluten-free type, or the type that corn starch is low on the list.
I've eaten several small candy bars - I blame it on Halloween and PMS.  
Is rice an infrequent neutral?
Probably anytime I've eaten in a restaurant would boot me out of compliance.  We've been traveling to watch our son play college football, and eating out has been more frequent than normal.  The season is almost over . . .

I usually only drink water, nothing else.

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most yams sold in the states are sweet potatoes, right?


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Michele
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Quoted from lola
most yams sold in the states are sweet potatoes, right?


I thought they were the same too, but apparently they are not.  The sweet potato I ate for lunch today was definitely different than the YAMS I've been eating, and which I thought was a sweet potato.    
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what do those look like?
is there a picture of those on typebase?


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My understanding is that a sweet potato is a root and comes mainly from South America.  The yam is a tuber and is grown in Africa and Asia.
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Quoted from Michele
I've also eaten a few small bags of popcorn at football games, and I think 2 hotdogs that included the buns.  The other night I did eat regular spaghetti because I was feeding the cross country team, and simply didn't have the energy to make anything else.

Sad to say it but just this small amount of wheat could be enough to flare up your arthritis symptoms.  When challenged by an inflammatory disease like that, you have to be really, really strict about the wheat.

Other than that, you are doing fantastic and I don't see anything else from what you write that could be improved upon.  Keep up the good work.  Once you get the wheat completely out of your diet, I think the arthritis flare will subside, big time.


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P.S.  There are several really good brands of rice spaghetti available at most health food stores, for next time you are feeding the team!


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Michelle,

I think you could still be detoxing after two months.  The body is very creative in storing excess junk, if the filtering/digestion/elimination systems are not operating properly.

I know it is frustrating to have major pain when healing froma disease condition, but continue to give the body time and I think you will be rewarded.  That hope, and the knowledge that I don't know anything better to try, keeps me focussed on the goal.


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Don't forget about the popcorn either. Corn is only permissible for A secretors I believe and even for them it is a neutral. The hotdog weiners.....well lets say that a roomate of mine worked in a well known meat p;rocessing plant in college. That is  over 23 years ago and after what I heard I still haven't eaten a hotdog. Anyway they have pork and many other things in them.
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Don't forget about the popcorn either. Corn is only permissible for A secretors I believe and even for them it is a neutral. The hotdog weiners.....well lets say that a roomate of mine worked in a well known meat p;rocessing plant in college. That is  over 23 years ago and after what I heard I still haven't eaten a hotdog. Anyway they have pork and many other things in them.



I know, I RARELY eat hotdogs, but we were running late and I hadn't stocked up on beneficial foods before a couple football games.  I was REALLY hungry - I must have been to eat a hot dog!  

I did go to a wedding reception last Saturday night and for dinner they had PORK ROAST and WHITE POTATOES, along with green beans and carrots.  I only ate the green beans and carrots and gave the rest to my husband and son.  So I do have willpower most of the time!  I also had 3 glasses of red wine which is on the allowed frequently list.  Unfortunately, because I hadn't eaten much for dinner, they went right to my head.  Oh boy . . .  
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The corn starch jumped out at me.  And the popcorn.  My husband and I follow the arthritis book also, he has RA and I have Fibro.  We have not gotten our secretor status checked yet, so not sure on that end.  I can tell you that even Ezekiel bread effects me, but not Paul. Any amount of corn will get me also. Like previously stated, even the small amounts of grains/corn can cause inflamaton for days.  Then you would detox again    It is better for you to bring some bennie dried fruits and nuts as well as prepacked salads with salmon or chicken, even thinly sliced beef would go well on top of the salad.  Try just using olive oil on your salad, even mixed with some fresh chopped parsley or basil and a smidge of garlic if you like it. Also the HFS carries ground seaweed as a salt substitute and is really good on the salads and veggies, as well as being highly beneficial.  You may be pleasantly suprised how yummy a salad is with just some good extra virgin first cold pressed olive oil.  Some fresh cut up broccoli mixed with some chopped walnuts and dried cherries and a little olive oil is a yummy fast broccoli salad, on a bed of baby spinach would be a great portable bennie supper/snack. (all this can be bought precut and ready to toss together in minutes) Check for the Essene bread at your Whole Foods, I have seen it there in the freezer.  They have a large selection of flavors, but I find only 3 to be OK for Os. The carrot one is really yummy and a bennie as oppossed to the neutral Ezekial, much more filling too!! Banana's are portable and fresh cut pineapple is a great snack also.  Bring some of your own brewed green tea (there are so many yummy flavors), it will help curb your appitite when around so many avoids.  Thinking of them as the poison they really are will help also.  Once you start feeling better by completely avoiding them, you will no longer even want them, "really".  And when you do "splurge" you will feel it, and never be tempted again, or at least for a long time   Hope that is helpful for you, Sandy O
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Sandy,
great tips from a connaisseur!!! )


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Potatoes are a factor with me. When I eat potatoes and the weather is right, my hands can really hurt. Good thing I love salad and steak! I have never read the artritis diet so I haven't a clue what it says, but that is what helps me.
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I am taking NAG glucosamine and lots of bromelain.  I bought alot of both and need to use up both before buying anymore supplements.  I WILL buy the deflect when I'm through my supply.

Yes, I'm grain free.  The only avoids that have crossed my lips in the past 2 months has been an occasional chip (maybe 6?)  I've also eaten a few small bags of popcorn at football games, and I think 2 hotdogs that included the buns.  The other night I did eat regular spaghetti because I was feeding the cross country team, and simply didn't have the energy to make anything else.

Yes, I specifically try to eat beneficials every single meal.  Breakfast may be the only exception.  For lunch today I had a mixed green salad, gluten-free dressing, and a sweet potato.  (which is another question: sweet potatos are beneficial, but yams are avoids, and I'll be darned if I can't find a SP in my grocery store - I had to go to Wild Oats to get one!)

I did not bring my book with me today, but I'll try to list some infrequent avoids I do eat.
I think eggs might be a frequent, but I have 3 egg whites every morning with 2 pieces of Ezekial bread.
Salad dressing might fall into this category, but I try to look for the gluten-free type, or the type that corn starch is low on the list.
I've eaten several small candy bars - I blame it on Halloween and PMS.  
Is rice an infrequent neutral?
Probably anytime I've eaten in a restaurant would boot me out of compliance.  We've been traveling to watch our son play college football, and eating out has been more frequent than normal.  The season is almost over . . .

I usually only drink water, nothing else.



Personally, that breakfast is not the way to start off your day. Beef or Buffalo and either broccoli & spinach is a much better breakfast for you.  If you are eating two slices of ezekiel bread every morning, and imho, you are eating way too much grain, and that means you are not grain free.

There is a variety of sweet potato that many grocers call "yams." True yams are significantly larger than sweet potatoes and the meat is pure white inside.  

Popcorn is one of the worst things you can eat if you have arthritis.  Even a little bit can affect your joints for days afterwards.  The number one thing that is bad for arthritis is the hot dog buns, not to mention the nitrates that are most likely in the hot dogs you ate.  Regular spagetti, same thing.  All very bad for arthritis, not to mention Type O's in general.  

These items will keep your arthritis in flair up and all the beneficials you eat are having a tough uphill battle trying to over come the inflammation producing foods you are putting in your body.  That's just mho.  I know with my body, just eating infrequent neutrals puts my arthritis in flair up mode.  

Have you read Suzanne Graham's blog?  Her goal is to get ten cups of vegetables in her each day.  Most times, most of the veggies are beneficials.

What are the ingredients on the bottle of salad dressing you are using?

Try to make a goal of just eating benneficials for two weeks.  Nothing else.  When I went on the arthritis program, I ate only SUPER Beneficials for two weeks.  Yes my diet was really limited but I felt results in just four days.  Significant results: my pain level was noticably reduced.



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the arthritis as well as all the other health series books have more targeted food lists, according to each case, and food is divided into super beneficials, beneficials, frequent and infrequent neutrals and avoids.


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I too would like to encourage you to limit yourself to super beneficials and beneficials for a while. Your success will motivate you to continue.

The detox process is long, and you must bear with it. Don't let this discourage you, your cooperation is called for.    

I take kelp and DGL licorice capsules according to LR4YT, and they are excellent.

I remember that for acute conditions it takes a month per every year of that condition to heal. To make a long story short, I know I have to be 100% compliant for a number of months equal to my age in years... But you know, after a while it becomes a delight and fun!  

Go for it,
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dear Michele,
I allow  myselve this approach...please think about certain circumstances you lived made some 6 years now; then have an into those feeling you've produced....and why are they still embracing you and then try to work on em;  today is another day and you have the right to be you ....
sometimes we are producing tension unconsciously, no I don't want to blame unconsciousness or whatsoever to be *the one* but often it is like that and then we are getting a feeling like sore and it still stays, even when we try with medicationsintake to get it away, it lasts and lasts and lasts and we don't understand why nothing fits....
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Michele, welcome to BTD!  So much good info here and lots of wonderful people
I have to seriously commend you for giving up coffee!! Especially after 30 years. Coffee seems to be one of the biggest avoids for O’s to let go. I have my own struggle w/ it. I don’t drink it often, but I do still indulge now and again – Starbucks White Chocolate Mocha no less. Could we just say – BIG AVOID????????  So you are doing really great!
  If you are dealing w/ arthritis, you might want to pick up the  Arthritis – Fight It With The Blood Type Diet book.  It is a much more specific diet re: arthritis. As mentioned, all foods are broken down into Super Ben, Ben, Freq Neut, Infreq Neut and Avoids. You will see some foods go from one category to another and some will remain the same.
  I too agree that you could be detoxing still. I too find it very hard to be compliant all the time, unless I have lots of time and am very organized
  Michele, I had to laugh when I read your comment about   “The only avoids that have crossed my lips in the past 2 months”.  I laughed because those are the exact words I use – “I was 100% compliant for 3 mths. Nothing crossed these lips that shouldn’t have.”   For me, there were NO avoids. HOW I did that I don’t know, but I thank God all the time that he gave me the willpower to do so. And I do credit him w/ that.    In that 3 mths, I saw (and felt) all migraines, ALL sinus problems, bronchitis, ALL digestive probs, constipation, ALL arthritis like pains and prob some other stuff, disappear. I never realized just how much stuff I had goin’ on until it was all gone. THAT is what you might be able to look forward to at 100% compliance. Even if you only do it for a few mths, at least you will KNOW how truly great you can feel. It’s really wonderful. Now, if I can just take my own advice and get back to that HIGH level of compliancy.  
 When you get the Deflect, it should help, but please do not use it as an ‘excuse’ to eat avoids. It really does not work THAT well and was not really intended for that purpose. One poster here seems to think it really helped w/ her inflammation problems.  
If you want to try going grain free, the suggestion of Essene bread would be out. Even tho it’s sprouted, it’s still grain. Some O’s can tolerate some grain, some cannot. I have fought this dilemma for months and have finally come to the conclusion (for the umpteenth time), that I can’t tolerate grain. In the arthritis book, rice goes to the infreq neutral list. Rice and oats make me so tired I feel like a zombie. Within 15-20 min. I have decided those will be saved for night time IF and when I eat them. I’ve really been trying to save my rice consumption for rice pasta. (Tinkyada is a good brand and there is a thread on a good rice pasta here somewhere – here ya go :   http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=btdlf1,m=1160723721)
Grain seems to be another hard one to give up.
  The truly great thing about BTD, is once you figure out what you can and can’t have and what your body tolerates, you can decide just how good or bad you want to feel. .  But seriously, if you have a special occasion, you can take a few Deflect and it will help, but you’ll also know there will be ‘consequences’ for what you eat. According to what you eat, you’ll know how yukky (or not) you’ll feel the next few days. (there’s the silver lining in that cloud )
 I’ve read some posters say that even a few kernels of popcorn will make them feel seriously terrible for days. Corn is not our friend. (this is what I tell my new to the BTD husband, re: avoids. Instead of saying they’re avoids, I say they’re not our friend – I think that rankles him less – he was very opposed to this for a long, long time) and it seems to be in everything!  Please be on the look out for corn syrup and especially this one – High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS). (If I remember correctly, it’s the 2nd leading cause of diabetes) Once you start looking for it, you’ll be SHOCKED at how many things you’ll see it in. This one thing all on its own could flare up arthritis IMHO. I know it flairs up my sciatic nerve. I avoid it like the plague!  Also, you can replace corn starch w/ arrowroot starch/flour in cooking/baking.
 Hot dogs make my ankle itch, and the underside of one of my toes on my right foot hurt. Weird eh? To add to KK’s comment,  nitrites, MSG and other cr*p really do a person in.     I, like you Michele, avoid them unless I'm in a situation where I have no choice.
  Please be sure to include your beneficial oils in your diet as well.
  May I ask why you are eating gluten free foods? Are you celiac or gluten intolerant?
  Re: salad dressings – there are a ton of them in the recipebase. When you get a minute, pop in and take a look .  You can search for specific O recipes or a combo of all.   http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/recipes.htm
 When you get your secretor status, you’ll be able to refine your diet much more. It’s worth the cost of the test.  The DH just did his yest even tho he scoffed big time and made some ‘negatory’ remarks about it. It’s funny how he KNOWS the BTD works, is trying to try it, but is still fighting it.
  Sandy made some excellent suggestions and she’s right, once you know just how BAD the avoids make you feel, you’ll be less tempted to eat them. The occasional splurge won’t kill ya tho, if you just feel the need.
  White potatoes, peppers, eggplant and tomatoes should be avoided if you have arthritis. These are nightshade veggies and will flare arthritis symptoms lickety split. My DH has probs w/ arthritis and continues to eat nightshades and continues to feel like he’s dying, he’s in so much pain. Funny comment – when I told him they were nightshade veggies, he told me I was making that up! HA!
   Great comment by yael p   re: the thing to remember about how long it might take to feel better. It’s a guideline, so it could take longer, it could take less time. It took only about a month for all my stuff to clear up and only a week for the sinus stuff to go away (dairy was the big culprit there and perhaps wheat).
 So hang in there. You’re doing great! You have a great attitude and outlook. That in itself will carry you far.



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