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carlzwench
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I was wondering if there are any parents out there who put their ADD, ADHD, autistic, mentally/physically challenged child on the diet and what results came of it?  I have been reading much about how many childhood diseases are the cause of food sensitivities and wanted to hear some true life stories!  Thanks!!!



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http://www.dadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Dopamine_Beta-Hydroxylase_(DBH)

write 'attention deficit' in the 'general search' button located on the left in the main page.

lots of threads there.........


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I believe in either ER or LR Dr. D stated that he has had success treating these issues in his practice.



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hi carlzwench,

perhaps we have become too enamored with medical labeling ??????????????  I'll give you one site that takes a different view http://www.psychtruth.org/radio.htm

John


“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

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Great site! John! I found a lot of the points brought up to be SO true! Parenting is HARD, so many parents turn to drugs to control their kids, especially boys. I find that my 15 year old is hard to live with when he consumes junk(corn syrup especially) and doesn't move his body vigorously (hard exercise).  Many kids eat horribly, and sit at game stations and t.v.'s, and computers way too much. Plus, school is just plain boring. I find my son does better in his more challenging classes, because the learning is somewhat selfdirected, and keeps his mind busy and out of trouble. I've no doubt, that if  we hadn't been consistant in our parenting and kept our son very active as a elementary schooler, that some teacher would have labeled him ADD. The surveys that a parent needs to fill out, to help come to the ADD diagnosis, are a joke. "Is the child often impulsive, does the child jump from one task to another, does the child have trouble sitting still......." blah, blah, blah. Ummm.... that is childlike behavior! Lots of parents forget to let kids be kids, and let them move! They neglect basics like manners and respect and wonder why their kids act up in school!  Arghh!!!


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I was wondering if there are any parents out there who put their ADD, ADHD, autistic, mentally/physically challenged child on the diet and what results came of it?  I have been reading much about how many childhood diseases are the cause of food sensitivities and wanted to hear some true life stories!  Thanks!!!

1.  You may wish to PM Devora* about this.  She has a child labeled as ADD and has been treating him through BTD and complementary protocols.

2.  I totally agree with John and others that there are way too many kids (and adults) drugged in America who do not need to be, not to mention labeled erroneously with various and sundry things.  That said, that is precisely why we need to try to find alternative ways to balance certain behaviors, such as proper nutrition, enough EXERCISE, perhaps certain key supplements like omega 3's, family and/or individual counseling, etc.  Drugs should be a very last resort, imho.

* edited to add:  her user name is "DEM".  There is another user named "Devorah" who is NOT who I mean, I mean "DEM".  Kirk out!


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P.S.  Okay, I just e-mailed Dev and asked her to share her wealth of experience and knowledge on trying to meet behavioral challenges in a child with a nutritional protocol to help the child's brain chemistry, etc., be in balance.  I'm sure she'll post when she gets the e-mail.  She's a great resource on this!


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P.P.S.  Meanwhile, my advice is to have the child follow the correct BTD for her/his blood type as that will go a long, loooooooooooooong way.  I call the BTD "the great balancer", as it maximizes our inherent strengths and minimizes our inherent weaknesses.  This is crucial in a case like this where something is often out of balance nutritionally.  Also have the child get enough exercise daily, as this is critical.  Finally, if those two alone don't do the trick, I would look into Omega 3 supplementation, either through a high-quality fish oil capsule if the child is Type A, B or AB, or through eating lots of fresh, WILD, cold-water/ocean fish like salmon and sardine if the child is an O.*  If the child won't eat a lot of fish, try getting certain omega 3-rich oils like flax and olive into the diet.  Note:  you can make sardine and salmon palatable for a child by making it like tuna salad.  Most kids will eat tuna salad...won't they?  I'm single and rusty as far as what kids will or won't eat.  If one were to listen to my sister, they won't eat anything but chicken nuggets and cheese sticks "in stick form".  But I don't listen to her, luckily.

* edited to add:  If the child's behavioral issues are major enough and don't respond totally to BTD and exercise alone, and the child is Type O and won't eat enough Omega 3's in diet alone, then I would do the fish oil capsule thing even though Dr. D. points out that fish oil capsules are kinda to be approached with caution by O's, as O's have thin blood and fish oil can thin the blood.  I think sometimes if one is challenged by a health issue, one has to weigh and measure the pro's and con's of something, and the fish oil capsule is easy to open and put into some kind of food that the child will eat, thus getting omega 3 into the kiddo.  I think that trumps the blood-thinning thing in that case, but that is my humble opinion.


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I've been a "health nut" since the mid 70's and would never, ever consider drugging a child for "ADHD" as I've seen the detrimental effects it has on children and everyone else around them.  

IMO the pharmaceutical industry and the AMA is doing everything in their power to convince americans that drugs are the only solution to gettting and keeping healthy.  In every magazine you open and in nearly every tv commercial break there are ads from pharmaceutical companies proclaiming their product will cure you and unfortunately most americans believe this.

I also firmly believe the reason so many americans are going beserk is because of the tainted fresh food supply, the amount of prepared foods they eat and drink, the toxic fumes they inhale, the lack of exercise, and the otc and rx drugs they consume.  I've seen all my relatives health deteriorate because of their poor lifestyle choices; and they all tease me to this day about my healthy lifestyle!  

It's nice to see more organics in the traditional grocery stores, but unfortunately, I feel the majority of americans are still "not getting it."  Not to mention the expense is prohibitive for most families.  If only they realized eating well would offset the need for medical care!  

"You Are What You Eat" has never been so accurate in this day and age!  It's a shame that there isn't an organization mightier than the AMA to steer people in the right direction.  Hopefully, with forums like this one, the word will spread!  



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U go, carlzwench!  In the immortal words of the B-52's:

Tell it, tell it, tell it like it T-I is!


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Well, I don't know where Devora has got off to...but be patient, I'm sure she'll check in when she can.


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the immortals "truths* we believe...and after all thanks John for this

I've now my 11.th child away from Ritalin, just going on BTD, with a bit more of all B-vits, and I found out a special product names *basics* from AB (USA ) and this helps the kiddies for better detox, away from sugars, wheat all kind of gluten/gliadin...and yuk is mostly all so what.............


weew great John, I just heared nearly all speakers, I loved  mostly massr Dr. David Stein (very into my direction that those thingies are hmm inventions of cleverles
David Cohen not bad, very fine massr Robert Whiteker and super also J.Glenmullen wow there comes a bit hope onto the screen...that even here in this country 10 years later it might be accepted...huh

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Hello,

Devora has arrived.

Thanks Edna fo rthe invite!

My son had been on a kind of low carb diet with supplements for ADD, but now he has gone through some testing and we have an individualized genotype style diet for him.  There is a place called Immuno Labratories in Fort lauderdale that does the Igg Food Sensitivity testing.  

Phone number is: (954) 691-2500

toll free: 1-800- 231-9197

It's a great test.  Of course there is more invloved.  We also did a NeurScience brain chemical test that was very interesting.  I am working with Dr. Mark Hyman on him (www.drhyman.com)  You can call them at 413-637-9991.

My son was diagnosed by Dr. Hyman as having Celiac disease with a leaky gut. While it heals he is still taking psyciatric meds though.  


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sorry, forgot to point out... have an eye on Keirsey's Risos' and almost best in that case is Briggs-Myers
*gifts differing* she is soooooo right in her statements, that I just by thinking that we are all
that d that we don't see the real causa for so much yeopardis...

better and safer sides when have taken those scripts into our knowledge
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Carl,
found this article interesting.....
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/ask/archives/00000002.htm


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There are finer diagnostic tools for detecting dyslexia.  I use the word dyslexia because I was diagnosed in 1978 and will stick with the "old school" labels.

No one really sees the whole problem since it falls between Education, Neurology, and Psychology.  The exception to this is my other favorite Dr. - Dr. Tomatis!  If you accept that the issue (when it is real) is a mal-development of neurological pathways, the effect of nutrition is limited to supporting a correct development.  

Neurological pathways are re-inforced until the massive pruning that occurs during adolescence.  Correct nutrition can curb obsessive or impulsive behavior, but can it help reroute the "wiring" in your brain into more efficient pathways?  It seems impossible.

What drives neurological development?  Before you are born, you ears have tuned themselves to the specific frequencies of the language that the mother hears (most specifically her voice).  In utero the incoming signal that drives neurological development is sound.  The ears are the first fully functional sensory organs that begin the necessary steps to socialization in the forming child.

Although I have a great deal of passion for disseminating information about Tomatis's Listening therapy, I have not found the commitment to becoming a therapist.  I know the suffering.  I know that most of it can be transformed into a liberty and ease of life that seems impossible to the sufferer.

If I appear too zealous, too certain, or too dogmatic, please excuse me.  Dyslexia is a demon that is closer to me than my own skin.









My weight loss goal: 220 lbs.  A 6'4" dyslexic oddball: the size of a line-backer, the silhouette of Winnie-the-Pooh.
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dear Paul
I am so glad to see ya again on this board ....... but..sorry ther's something to point out for me, I wrote once about this; in Riso's book No 6 has mostly problems with *so named dislexia* it is sp-style because of their boldness they might be prone for that;- btw. if I remember well, you are an intj, that means 5-6 in Risos' that might be that you've got a bigger part of the 6-edge and might be mostly prone for such behaviou because it is known today, mostly O's and sp'stylers are so called ADD or
ADHS but it is their art of being and no sickness or sillness at all!!! Sp-stylers are handycraftman and
women, good in arts, or even with animals (9) but have a harder time in their learning style because they ae interested in ad hoc things, they learn just by doing something or in a discussion, but they get soooo quick bored when they have to *behave* or classworks or homeworks, children and adults are similar here ...
and now here comes the hardest thig: mostly all O's have the same....vice....the word *how* something must or should or ought to be done, is more important than the act itself!!! and if it goes against their view- all is rotten ..... this is the basic for the everyday anger

hope you got me in my pidginings

again Briggs-Myers in her book giftsdiffering is amazing to show up when one part in our self is not adopted or established

p.s.
oups Paul forgive me, you are also an iNTp...remember the words of the Briggs-Myers in *giftsdiffering* all introvert do at their end the opposit...= j=p and
viceversa.........so I was not that wrong

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I have used the BTD to help my son beginning in kindergarden.  He would have been called ADHD if I had allowed the teacher to diagnose him.  I chose not to bring him to his pediatrician for medication but instead to a doctor who introduced our family to the BTD.  It has been very sucessful but he does still share certain traits that some would call ADD or ADHD.  I see these traits as a difference not a deficit.
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klouise,
what an excellent example you give to parents with kids who have 'differences'!!!  
congratulations!


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