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trish44
Monday, October 2, 2006, 6:38pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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A while back I posted that I had seen my GP and she suggested I buy mannitech.  I e-mailed her when I got home about 'our' ARA Plus, and sent the links showing her how much cheaper it was, and that I could not have (that plant) can't think of the name.....anyway, I had to go back to have her recheck a lymph node the other day, and she spend almost 30 minutes telling me to check with the 'quackmd' website, and that she did not agree with following the diet since she did not believe in evolution.  Also, that the reason all Jewish people were B's is that they killed everyone else off, and would not mix with other types.  She then felt the lymph node, and I left with an $84 bill.  Can you believe that?  I am really ticked!!!!


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Oh wow.

Just goes to show; you might have the brain to get through med school, but that doesn't necessarily mean you'll be a good competent doctor.


Knowledge is power.  SWAMI gives you the diet that will unlock the key to better health, and it's all based on your unique individuality.
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That GP is unbelievable!!!!!!    What are you going to do now?  
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If they killed off everybody else isn't that the Darwinism definition of evolution? Circular logic, I don't believe in it therfore it doesn't exist. You have to take responsibility for your own health. I have a tendency to high triglycerides and ultralow LDL levels. My doctor wanted to put me on a statin that lowered LDL and prescribe a low fat diet with plenty of wholewheat and chicken. Fortunately he sent me on to a specialist after 5 years. She promptly told me to cut out simple carbs, corn, sweets, alcohol, exercise and drop weight and take fish oil. Not quite BTD but a lot closer.
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May I ask a stupid question?  For people who don't believe in evolution, how far back in time do they say the human race goes?    
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Really!  I don't know what I am going to do.  I wanted to argue with her, but I could see it was not going to go anywhere.  She has always sort of pushed a religious theme when I have seen her, which I disliked, but then pushing the MLM, I was surprised at that.  I thought just showing her that a similar product that was less expensive would be of interest to her.  She is the one who asked about the foods that were recommended for her AB blood type.  I said I could only remember that chicken was an avoid, but would send her the link.  She eagerly gave me her address, SHE wanted to know.  I guess only to try to negate my thinking and sell the mannitech.  Go figure.  Think I will find a new DR.


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That would be a good question, Ohmiss, but I don't think I will be seeing her again.  GRRR...


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Outrageous!!! First of all Jews tend to show a lot of blood type mixing depending on their geographics! Second, not believing in evolution, while it';s only a theory, to me does not indicate a strong research orientation.... help!
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trish,

My two cents - find a homeopath or ND and forget about the MDs...


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Dr D:
Along with Bernie Siegal, Jeff Bland, Deepak
Chopra, Andrew Weil, Herbert Benson...

You name them, they're on the quackwatch list.


All and all, a position of honor!



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Many of us don't believe in all of evolution, but we sure believe the BTD!
Whether you believe God created the types or that they evolved, the fact of them still exists!
The drs. I go to have a lot of Christians & a Jew or 2 on staff, but are very open to learning from their patients. One of them tried to be a vegetarian years ago & found out he was an O (that's why it didn't work). [These drs. are 'complimentary' drs., MDs who really are alternativists at heart!]
Religion shouldn't really enter the argument.  Does the BTD have scientific basis?
Does it work? Are we healthier? Yes, Yes, Yes!!!

My older son is working on a PhD in Science & Religion.  He's doing a presentation on Evangelicals & Evolution at some conference this fall.  I hope I can read that paper.  It sounds very interesting!
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Mannatech is certainly on the Quackwatch site as well.

A lot of Jewish people are type B because a lot of Jewish people come from eastern Europe, which has a lot of type B genes. If you look at other communities, the Jewish inhabitants tend to be closer to each other genetically but not all that different from the other groups you examine.


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Well said, Mrs. T.  It seems to me that BTD should fit well whether you're an Evolutionist, a Creationist, or a hybridist.   After all, Adam and Eve must have been Os, no?  

I just wonder if the Creationists give modern humans the 40,000 or so years that the Evolutionsists do?

Who/what is Mannatech?
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Mrs T O+, When I said exactly that to her, 'well, you really cannot argue with the success of it, so many people regained their health with it'.. she had an answer to that, too.  It is most likely a very small piece of the puzzle, and their faith worked the majority of the healing.  I knew when to quit. I did tell her that it was not my imagination that I could not eat wheat, and that just a few months ago, I could barely get out of the car.  I could see the wheels turning, and she really wanted to see that there was a more serious problem, but about that time, she found the lump to be unchanged, and I was out of there.  Dr. D, I think she was trying to maintain that it was far more complicated and there were more pieces to the puzzle.  Maybe she didn't want me to become too obcessed  with it all.  (now I am being too easy on her)  Take care.


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''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
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I am and come from a whole group of Type A Jews. We all have intestinal and heart issues. Irritable bowel or colitis, mitral valve prolapse, and some diabetes. Both of my parents:Type 2 diabetes. My dad died of a massive MI. Textbook Type A problems. My mother's family came from Latvia, my father's from Hungary, Germany and Romania.

My husband is Italian from Calabria region of Italy, also Type A. His father died of a heart attack. That MD is ignorant and sounds like a bigot as well. I would go to another doctor.

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Well said, Mrs. T.  It seems to me that BTD should fit well whether you're an Evolutionist, a Creationist, or a hybridist.   After all, Adam and Eve must have been Os, no?  

I just wonder if the Creationists give modern humans the 40,000 or so years that the Evolutionsists do?

Who/what is Mannatech?



surely Adam what means man or male was an O  or perhaps a B
Eve means woman or female was certainly an A or AB or B...she gave the fruit

and Lucie...hey whats about our ancestor Lucie...................
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Lucie, Isa?

Oh do you mean Lucifer???


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no Madgilein I mean L u c i e...the mum of all HUMAN'S ....mentioned in all kind of préhistorical films about our outcome of becoming humanoides

Lucifer= means lightbearer   and indeed he has a torch
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Yes, Isa means the early hominid skeletal remains found in Africa, 3 million years old, if I recall correctly.

Remember, my friends, that we care for each other's health, happiness, and fullfilment(sp?) in spite of our many deeply held differing beliefs about how we got here. I'm happy with my understanding of this life and my place in it, but I do not insist others agree with me, nor do I share my beliefs lightly for the simple reason of avoiding unneeded social stresses. There's a good reason that (debating) sex, politics and religion are traditionally taboo in mixed company.
Play nice, kids!

P.S. You definitely need to find another doctor!
P.P.S. Trish, this doctor sounds like she wants to learn and has natural curiosity, but holds herself back due to loyalty to some beliefs she holds dear. I believe things, too, but I always try to keep an open mind on subjects I'm not familiar with!


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In my Jewish family we have Os (my father, brother  and me), As, my mother, Bs, my sister in law
and my niece and nephew.  Your "doctor" sounds pretty closeminded (I'm being kind here) and if I were you I think I'd look for someone that isn't so narrow.  
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You are all right, and I will look for another Dr.  It seems to me to be a distinct deficit for one in that profession to be that closed minded.  I was indeed surprised, maybe that shows my somewhat gullible nature.  Thank you all, and the best of health to you.


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I just wonder if the Creationists give modern humans the 40,000 or so years that the Evolutionsists do?


Most creationists believe the the earth was created in an aged condition (much like a artist would create a sculpture of an elderly person - having aged features, but itself a new creation).  I believe they use the time span of the Bible to present day to arrive at an approximately 6,000 year old earth.  I think that's right.  
Anyone else care to venture a answer on this?  


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Does it matter whether or not you believe in evolution? If a particular way of eating helps someone feel better and get/stay healthy, I say keep doing it.

I asked a doctor who directs the complementary medicine program at a local hospital what he knew about BTD when I first started researching it. He told me there is absolutely no danger in trying it (unlike some fad diets I can think of), and that many people have experienced a lot of success on this diet, though they really aren't sure why. He said dietary change is one of the safest things you can try to bring about a positive change in your health.

It's not like BTD is recommending that people eat nothing but cabbage soup for a month, for goodness sake! I think it's probably one of the healthiest, most common-sense approaches to better health (whether or not I totally understand the theory behind it).
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BTD explains why certain foods just don t agree with you!
it has no adverse side effects, like so many fad diets we know of.
those who talk against it, are merely incompetent and are not worth my time!! )


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May I ask a stupid question?  For people who don't believe in evolution, how far back in time do they say the human race goes?
       

Apx. 6000 years from creation until now.

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surely Adam what means man or male was an O  or perhaps a B  
Eve means woman or female was certainly an A or AB or B...she gave the fruit


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After all, Adam and Eve must have been Os, no?  


On the contrary, there could not have been any O's before the flood.  Reading the book of Genesis confirms this (King James Version of course).  In the garden they were given all the trees, fruits and herbs for food (chapter 1 verse 9), with the exception of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (chapter 2 verse 17).  It was not until after the flood that man was given animals for food (chapter 9 verse 3), hense the fear of man was put into the animals (chapter 9 verse 2).  So biblically speaking, the type A, B and AB folks may have decended from Noahs 3 sons and the type O would be the mutation occuring after the flood.  Interestingly, there was no rain before the flood either (chapter 2 verses 5&6), another reason for blood type mutation since the plants were no doubltibly different than prior to the flood, perhaps causing a single blood type to mutate into 4 after the flood.  A reason the folks thought Noah was crazy before the first rain drops also     Also, through out the Old Testiment, the Bible states that the "life is in the blood", most specifically pertaining to ingesting blood (perhaps due to how our bodies would react to the wrong blood type, ) and was not mentioned until after the flood.  I wonder if that is why we drain the blood out of our meat during processing or if there has been scientific proofs as to not draining it causing sickness?  The "life in the blood" is also mentioned in the New Testament, most specifically the eternal life through the blood of Christ. So the BTD definately fits into Scriptual beliefs, just not the "order" of the types and mutations of them.

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Many of us don't believe in all of evolution, but we sure believe the BTD!
Whether you believe God created the types or that they evolved, the fact of them still exists!..........Does the BTD have scientific basis?


Exactly, the blood type diet does have scientific proof for it's valitity.  And, yes, it works     which further varifys it.  Remember there was once a Dr that believed against the common thought and was scoffed at for his beliefs.   I don't remember his name, but he had the strange thought that there were unseen organisms getting into patients and killing them.  So when he suggested sterilizing operating equiptment and washing hands to kill these unseen organisms, he was unmercifly mocked at!!!  Imagine!!!!! And now we know he was right and even a GP would not think of entering an examining room before washing their hands!! It is the ones who have the open mind and the courage to think out side the box that make the break throughs, not the closed minded followers who learn what their taught, but not how to "think".

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Welcome to the board, Sandy.
The more we read the Bible, the more we understand nutrition (as well as many other things).
The more we know about nutrition, the more we understand the Bible, especially the Old Testament.

As for looking for a better doctor, hang around with La Leche fanatics.  I first heard about the group of drs. I now go to 30 years ago at LLL meetings.  They did home births.  Later, folks at church found out about them. I first went to them in 1993.
La Leche doesn't officiall recommend doctors, but meeting a lot of LLL women will let you hear their experiences & eventually you will hear about certain doctors.

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Thanks, Sandy.  Great explanation.  I don't know why I thought the biblical timeline ran farther back.  You're like me, with all Os in the family.  But Mrs. T?  All four blood types?  Is everyone still at home?  That would make me nuts

Also, thanks Lola for the Mannatech link.  Seems like another one of those supplement MLM schemes.  Some of that stuff is good, of course, but it's hard to weed through it all.
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I coniders myself a Christian, yet evolution is a factor in the human race. I attribute that to environment. Just as I have blond hair and blue eyes, some friend have black hair and borwon eyes.

Environment effected these changes. My family is from Scotland - blue eyes are dominate. Some Native Americans are dark, but clearly their "recent" ancestors are not from Africa, but out west some are just as dark skinned.

If a "people" stay in one location long enough things change. Just as skin color, eyes, hair color, etc - blood apparently changes also. Until I found the BTD, I did not realize this.
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BTD explains why certain foods just don t agree with you!
it has no adverse side effects, like so many fad diets we know of.
those who talk against it, are merely incompetent and are not worth my time!! )


I agree with this.  Example:  I tried Atkins (an early version of it), and I was miserable!!!  

If someone is ever in doubt of the BTD, IMO, all they have to do is eat an avoid for their blood type and just watch and see what happens.  I ate red meat not too long ago.  Miserable doesn't even begin to describe how I felt.  



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“Interestingly, there was no rain before the flood either (chapter 2 verses 5&6), another reason for blood type mutation since the plants were no doubltibly different than prior to the flood,”

Irregardless of no rain, plants still required water, hence the Bible also mentions the “mist” (Gen 2:6) the ground was watered from “below.”


“I wonder if that is why we drain the blood out of our meat during processing or if there has been scientific proofs as to not draining it causing sickness?”

Yes, If you do not drain the blood from animals it changes the meat. Eating “blood” tends to make many people sick. Thats why when my dad or I kill a deer we let it drain, plus after quartering it place it on ice for about a week to further drain it. Most meat processing places hang meat for a couple weeks in a cooler.
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Irregardless of no rain, plants still required water, hence the Bible also mentions the “mist” (Gen 2:6) the ground was watered from “below.”


So true. But...just like fire and flood today brings forth changes in vegetation, the world wide flood surely would also. The flood would no double have brought changes in the soil composition, mineral content and the like, not neccesarily changes in the way plants feed.

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BTD explains why certain foods just don t agree with you!
it has no adverse side effects, like so many fad diets we know of.
those who talk against it, are merely incompetent and are not worth my time!! )


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I agree with this.  Example:  I tried Atkins (an early version of it), and I was miserable!!!  

If someone is ever in doubt of the BTD, IMO, all they have to do is eat an avoid for their blood type and just watch and see what happens.  I ate red meat not too long ago.  Miserable doesn't even begin to describe how I felt.  



So true, I could not figure out why we were gaining weight and getting sicker on a vegetarian diet, when others who ate exactly the same way were very thin and healthy!!  Also, Paul would get sick from foods that seemed to have not rhyme or reason to how/why.  Some night shades, not all...some dairy, not all....some fruit, not all...some prepared foods, but not all.  I just could not put my finger on what/how certain foods seemed to work in his system.  The BTD put it all into perspective... I was amazed how accurately the neutral allowed infreqently and avoids were with his system.  Those who speak against it are ill informed.

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Geologists have calculated the age of Earth at 4.6 billion years. But for humans whose life span rarely reaches more than 100 years, how can we be so sure of that ancient date?

It turns out the answers are in Earth's rocks. Even the Greeks and Romans realized that layers of sediment in rock signified old age. But it wasn't until the late 1700s -- when Scottish geologist James Hutton, who observed sediments building up on the landscape, set out to show that rocks were time clocks -- that serious scientific interest in geological age began. Before then, the Bible had provided the only estimate for the age of the world: about 6,000 years, with Genesis as the history book.

Hutton's theories were short on evidence at first, but by 1830 most scientists concurred that Noah's ark was more allegory than reality as they documented geological layering. Using fossils as guides, they began to piece together a crude history of Earth, but it was an imperfect history. After all, the ever-changing Earth rarely left a complete geological record. The age of the planet, though, was important to Charles Darwin and other evolutionary theorists: The biological evidence they were collecting showed that nature needed vastly more time than previously thought to sculpt the world.

A breakthrough came with the discovery of radioactivity at the beginning of the 1900s. Scientists discovered that rocks could be timepieces -- literally. Many chemical elements in rock exist in a number of slightly different forms, known as isotopes. Certain isotopes are unstable and undergo a process of radioactive decay, slowly and steadily transforming, molecule by molecule, into a different isotope. This rate of decay is constant for a given isotope, and the time it takes for one-half of a particular isotope to decay is its radioactive half-life. For example, about 1.5 percent of a quantity of Uranium 238 will decay to lead every 100 million years. By measuring the ratio of lead to uranium in a rock sample, its age can be determined. Using this technique, called radiometric dating, scientists are able to "see" back in time.



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There are similar mechanisms in genetics, such as the 'molecular clock'.

The 'Great Flood' saga are in many other historical records besides the Bible, and there does appear to have been a massive inundation of the areas around the Black Sea at some point in history. It may represent the oral traditions of displaced refugees from the area.

The genetic codes used by all known forms of life on Earth are very similar. For example the codon CGA specifies the amino acid arginine; in bats, beetles, beech trees and George Bush. This means, and religious people might find this interesting, that there was one creation; one single event when life was born.

Nothing about an evolving process of life makes us any less unique or wondrous.

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When I was four or five I was stricken with a bad case of the measles. To help keep up my spirits, my parents brought home a new toy. It was a terrarium type of tank to which you added a special powder and water. Over the next few days my listlessness and apathy turned to wonder, as brightly colored stalactites materialized and grew ever higher. Each morning, upon awakening I would rush to the dresser cabinet across the room to marvel at what magic had happened that night.

But what would have been my probable response if my parents had just given me a pre-made stalactite garden? I can tell you. About two minutes of attention and then relegation to the closet. You see, what was fascinating about the toy was its process, not its outcome. If we can assume for a moment that something which would fascinate God is probably very similar to something that fascinates a little boy then you can have faith and as well live as with facts.






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the 'big bang' theory just won the Nobel prize, right? )


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have an eye onto the book *the chaos-theorie* from the son of Myers-Briggs very ok
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You see, what was fascinating about the toy was its process, not its outcome. If we can assume for a moment that something which would fascinate God is probably very similar to something that fascinates a little boy then you can have faith and as well live as with facts.





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God is certainly not bound to a calendar, and even for man, time is relative and the processes that it is measured by can be sped up or slowed down in some experiments.  

If the earth went twice as fast as it does around the sun, would a year still be a year?  Molecular and atomic measurements of time could also be sped up or slowed down by someone with total power and understanding of the laws governing them.  Conflicting timelines don't mean much when you consider that possiblity.  There is so much that we don't understand about both God and science, that I've never seen much point in trying to put it all together in my own little mind...


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I do not understand the dimension of time AT ALL.


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My older son is working on a PhD in Science & Religion.  He's doing a presentation on Evangelicals & Evolution at some conference this fall.  I hope I can read that paper.  It sounds very interesting!


I also hope that I can read that paper, Mts_T_O+. If he has a soft copy of it, could you please e-mail it to me, if possible of course.

We have hints in the Holy Qoran pointing that there had been mankind living on earth before Adam and Eve. In a passage, it's stated that the angels asked God why He decided to create a "kind" that would live on Earth slaughtering and destructing. It seems as if they "know" somehow that mankind have such a nature.

Dr.D, I loved your statement pointing that the process is much more exciting and fascinating than the result itself. Faith and facts  can live in company. This is the way I think as well.

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 Remember there was once a Dr that believed against the common thought and was scoffed at for his beliefs.   I don't remember his name, but he had the strange thought that there were unseen organisms getting into patients and killing them.  So when he suggested sterilizing operating equiptment and washing hands to kill these unseen organisms, he was unmercifly mocked at!!!  Imagine!!!!! And now we know he was right


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Ignaz P. Semmelweiss (Morton Thompson, The Cry and the Covenant).



I am so very bad with names, but that is a name I would not remember anyway, since I could not even pronounce it,    Sandy O
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I work in the infectious diseases and epidemiology control unit... no wonder I'm familiar with the name...


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I suppose Dr's comments could be ANY kind of Dr.
I know patience is a virture and such but I sure wish the great transformation would grow a bit more heartily in more folks a little quicker already. I'm getting tired of glazing eyes and uncomfortable glances at the wrist watches as I try to extoll the BTD line to everyone I meet these days. To the Believers (Christians that is) I've found facinating back-up in Genesis. To the hard line science types there is good open reflection in the glaze that forms. But the two will not agree and that cancels out the discussion unfortunately. In my heart I strongly feel the alignment of science and faith in "that which is everywhere present" (as I like to put it ) is so apparent. But no one else seems to share this view. This forum is the only place on earth that seems to come close. We are one. We are just not very good at it. This thread has great promise. I've research on Genesis to do before I share too much that I know too little about but there is very interesting feedback here which I'm getting much out of. Thanks everyone! Keep it up.
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In a passage, it's stated that the angels asked God why He decided to create a "kind" that would live on Earth slaughtering and destructing. It seems as if they "know" somehow that mankind have such a nature.


Is there an answer as well?

If I am not mistaken, Rudolf Steiner told that Earth is the 4th planet which Mankind visits; that it's in this present existence that Mankind has acquired the sense and understanding of self; and also, that there are 3 more home planets ahead for us to live on, to complete 7 visits in the world of matter.


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Wien ist auch die jiddische Hauptstadt immer gewesen! )


Well, for me it's rather Schubert's home town... In my last visit to Vienna (1995!...   ) I visited his home (=tiny grey apartment) where he was born and his home where he died, both small museums. I love him to pieces.



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Is there an answer as well?

If I am not mistaken, Rudolf Steiner told that Earth is the 4th planet which Mankind visits; that it's in this present existence that Mankind has acquired the sense and understanding of self; and also, that there are 3 more home planets ahead for us to live on, to complete 7 visits in the world of matter.


Well, as for the answer, God says that "He knows things that they do not know". After that passage, there comes the part where God mentions that He taught every little bit of thing, to Adam. Adam -mankind- is honored by God to be able to think, learn, analyze and make decisions.  In fact, that is a huge statement to be explained in detail, but this is not the place to do it

I haven't heard about Rudolf Steiner's statements before, they sound interesting.

To emphasize once more, yep, the process is so fascinating and God wants us to discover the details of the process, as much as one can achieve in his lifetime, during the way home. Earh is our way home, is the place where we'll think, ask, modelize, discover and experiment before we settle down in another form of being. So the more you find out things, the more satisfied you'll leave this planet

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My former doctor who was a conventional GP had basically the same reaction when I tried to tell him about the BTD. He kind of smiled, patted me on the knee and told me if I wanted to lose weight, he recommended Weight Watchers or Weigh Down diets. On the same note, he told me that he would sometimes gain weight (because I guess he didn't continally follow Weight Watchers) so when he did, he would go back on the Weight Watchers diet.

As kind of a side note, I wonder why Dr. D does not make more appearances on TV or Radio to discuss the benefits and promote the image of the diet. I am not criticizing him at all - but I think if there are people out there critical of the diet, then speaking up about it and explaining how it works would be beneficial. Otherwise, it seems that those who are the best spokesman or spokeswomen are elusive and that is too bad.  Those of us who have read the books and follow the diet are good representatives but I think Dr. D and his research team should also be out there more - maybe they are and we just don't see it in this area of the country.

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Dr. D's a busy, busy guy, and deserves a "normal" part to his home-life, as well. We all are out in the world, getting healthier and happier, and the people around us see this. We are spreading the word by example and word of mouth.


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One has to be very careful how they deal with the media. They can tear you apart if they want!  I wish Dr. D would get on radio & TV, but understand his wisdom. Sometimes things done more slowly last longer......
But I still wish the diet would get more exposure.  It is safe as it is just food, whereas so many other plans are dangerous to folks. Those who would try it would see the results soon!

About the paper my son is writing, I don't know if I'll be able to get it or post it (or if he will post it).  As a proud mother, I'd love to see it publicized, but as a sensitive person, he can be very selective.  Maybe he may post it on his littlle-used web site - if he still has it!  If it were up to me, I would be glad to share it with you who are interested.
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are you all familiar with the media center here on this website?
there are a lot of interviews done to Dr D, TV as well as radio.
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Avicenna is not bad too ...hmm Steiner...yup but mankind made a dogma out of this
some fine advices also from Moshe ben Maimon wich ended up with a certain *health-care* outta arabic language into hebrew and viceversa .... the so called *arabic medicine" very wise men there,too
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I believe that evolution and creation can walk hand in hand. Melissa-J Stated it best. God's(please understand this person is whom you feel is the higher power) time and our time are not the same. He has his own time table. I guess the best way to explain it is what may be a thousand years to us might only be a day in his. Think about this the earth has had many changes in its face as recorded by men, what about the changes prior to men being here?
As far as humans and their development, I have had many science classes that tell me I came from apes. I am sorry I do not believe that. I believe that all men and women were is created in His image-I.e. two arms, legs, ears, etc. Not an exact carbon copy. I believe that the potential for what some would consider evolutionary changes were there is the genes. I believe that those changes, such as change in height and color of skin etc. are influenced by our genes and environment. I believe all animal life life also existed and were patterned in the same manner and have changed according to genes and environment. But a bear did not come from a fish or tadpole. These are my beliefs, I hope they do not offend.


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Makes sense to me... That's probably micro-evolution.  I don't believe in macro-evolution, either (the apes & huge time spans), altho we can learn a lot from animals & they can help us in many ways.
An opinion about evolution shouldn't offend anyone, altho there are many students who are shot down by professors for questioning it in class.  Why shouldn't a student be free to ask questions & then be treated with respect for having a different opinion (which may actually be right!)?
I think that we on this board are respectful of each other.
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Any discussion relating to whether evolution or creationism is correct with this M.D. is pointless.  The basic issue is being missed - she is obviously an antisemitic bigot.  To state that the Jews killed everyone off - who is she kidding?  Aren't the Jews the ones who have been repeatedly killed throughout history?

Anyway, I would not trust any practitioner who was racist, sexist, ageist, homophobic, or a religious fundamentalist.  If someone has a very narrow view of humanity, how can they heal someone?
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Anyone with an obsesive fixation on "the Jews" is someone to be watched carefully.  When I was looking at the Mannatech MLM, I did see some traces of Fundie bigotry behind the curtain.

It's the bigotry that worries me.  Blinding youself to the differences of others doesn't help people deal with those differences.


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it depends if they are free-thinkers or just ultraorthodox!!!
I cant' deal with any kind of bigotery, doesn't bother of what kind of religion, it is and was misunderstood und misinterpreated....because the word religio mean = re-bound or re-lyed to the
divine....what I see in religious practise is only obsessive and compulsive behaviour
the's a fine book from one of the best student of Jean Klein,(advaita-teacher) also a jew and he wrote in his book, at the very early beginning there's the sound, then comes the word...:bereshit means double...two brains....  mankind is nearly unable to surrend the eternal principes of polaryties

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