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rottlady
Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 6:44pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Does it matter whether or not you believe in evolution? If a particular way of eating helps someone feel better and get/stay healthy, I say keep doing it.

I asked a doctor who directs the complementary medicine program at a local hospital what he knew about BTD when I first started researching it. He told me there is absolutely no danger in trying it (unlike some fad diets I can think of), and that many people have experienced a lot of success on this diet, though they really aren't sure why. He said dietary change is one of the safest things you can try to bring about a positive change in your health.

It's not like BTD is recommending that people eat nothing but cabbage soup for a month, for goodness sake! I think it's probably one of the healthiest, most common-sense approaches to better health (whether or not I totally understand the theory behind it).
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BTD explains why certain foods just don t agree with you!
it has no adverse side effects, like so many fad diets we know of.
those who talk against it, are merely incompetent and are not worth my time!! )


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May I ask a stupid question?  For people who don't believe in evolution, how far back in time do they say the human race goes?
       

Apx. 6000 years from creation until now.

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surely Adam what means man or male was an O  or perhaps a B  
Eve means woman or female was certainly an A or AB or B...she gave the fruit


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After all, Adam and Eve must have been Os, no?  


On the contrary, there could not have been any O's before the flood.  Reading the book of Genesis confirms this (King James Version of course).  In the garden they were given all the trees, fruits and herbs for food (chapter 1 verse 9), with the exception of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (chapter 2 verse 17).  It was not until after the flood that man was given animals for food (chapter 9 verse 3), hense the fear of man was put into the animals (chapter 9 verse 2).  So biblically speaking, the type A, B and AB folks may have decended from Noahs 3 sons and the type O would be the mutation occuring after the flood.  Interestingly, there was no rain before the flood either (chapter 2 verses 5&6), another reason for blood type mutation since the plants were no doubltibly different than prior to the flood, perhaps causing a single blood type to mutate into 4 after the flood.  A reason the folks thought Noah was crazy before the first rain drops also     Also, through out the Old Testiment, the Bible states that the "life is in the blood", most specifically pertaining to ingesting blood (perhaps due to how our bodies would react to the wrong blood type, ) and was not mentioned until after the flood.  I wonder if that is why we drain the blood out of our meat during processing or if there has been scientific proofs as to not draining it causing sickness?  The "life in the blood" is also mentioned in the New Testament, most specifically the eternal life through the blood of Christ. So the BTD definately fits into Scriptual beliefs, just not the "order" of the types and mutations of them.

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Many of us don't believe in all of evolution, but we sure believe the BTD!
Whether you believe God created the types or that they evolved, the fact of them still exists!..........Does the BTD have scientific basis?


Exactly, the blood type diet does have scientific proof for it's valitity.  And, yes, it works     which further varifys it.  Remember there was once a Dr that believed against the common thought and was scoffed at for his beliefs.   I don't remember his name, but he had the strange thought that there were unseen organisms getting into patients and killing them.  So when he suggested sterilizing operating equiptment and washing hands to kill these unseen organisms, he was unmercifly mocked at!!!  Imagine!!!!! And now we know he was right and even a GP would not think of entering an examining room before washing their hands!! It is the ones who have the open mind and the courage to think out side the box that make the break throughs, not the closed minded followers who learn what their taught, but not how to "think".

Sandy O


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Welcome to the board, Sandy.
The more we read the Bible, the more we understand nutrition (as well as many other things).
The more we know about nutrition, the more we understand the Bible, especially the Old Testament.

As for looking for a better doctor, hang around with La Leche fanatics.  I first heard about the group of drs. I now go to 30 years ago at LLL meetings.  They did home births.  Later, folks at church found out about them. I first went to them in 1993.
La Leche doesn't officiall recommend doctors, but meeting a lot of LLL women will let you hear their experiences & eventually you will hear about certain doctors.

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Thanks, Sandy.  Great explanation.  I don't know why I thought the biblical timeline ran farther back.  You're like me, with all Os in the family.  But Mrs. T?  All four blood types?  Is everyone still at home?  That would make me nuts

Also, thanks Lola for the Mannatech link.  Seems like another one of those supplement MLM schemes.  Some of that stuff is good, of course, but it's hard to weed through it all.
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I coniders myself a Christian, yet evolution is a factor in the human race. I attribute that to environment. Just as I have blond hair and blue eyes, some friend have black hair and borwon eyes.

Environment effected these changes. My family is from Scotland - blue eyes are dominate. Some Native Americans are dark, but clearly their "recent" ancestors are not from Africa, but out west some are just as dark skinned.

If a "people" stay in one location long enough things change. Just as skin color, eyes, hair color, etc - blood apparently changes also. Until I found the BTD, I did not realize this.
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Quoted from lola
BTD explains why certain foods just don t agree with you!
it has no adverse side effects, like so many fad diets we know of.
those who talk against it, are merely incompetent and are not worth my time!! )


I agree with this.  Example:  I tried Atkins (an early version of it), and I was miserable!!!  

If someone is ever in doubt of the BTD, IMO, all they have to do is eat an avoid for their blood type and just watch and see what happens.  I ate red meat not too long ago.  Miserable doesn't even begin to describe how I felt.  



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“Interestingly, there was no rain before the flood either (chapter 2 verses 5&6), another reason for blood type mutation since the plants were no doubltibly different than prior to the flood,”

Irregardless of no rain, plants still required water, hence the Bible also mentions the “mist” (Gen 2:6) the ground was watered from “below.”


“I wonder if that is why we drain the blood out of our meat during processing or if there has been scientific proofs as to not draining it causing sickness?”

Yes, If you do not drain the blood from animals it changes the meat. Eating “blood” tends to make many people sick. Thats why when my dad or I kill a deer we let it drain, plus after quartering it place it on ice for about a week to further drain it. Most meat processing places hang meat for a couple weeks in a cooler.
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Irregardless of no rain, plants still required water, hence the Bible also mentions the “mist” (Gen 2:6) the ground was watered from “below.”


So true. But...just like fire and flood today brings forth changes in vegetation, the world wide flood surely would also. The flood would no double have brought changes in the soil composition, mineral content and the like, not neccesarily changes in the way plants feed.

Sandy O
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BTD explains why certain foods just don t agree with you!
it has no adverse side effects, like so many fad diets we know of.
those who talk against it, are merely incompetent and are not worth my time!! )


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I agree with this.  Example:  I tried Atkins (an early version of it), and I was miserable!!!  

If someone is ever in doubt of the BTD, IMO, all they have to do is eat an avoid for their blood type and just watch and see what happens.  I ate red meat not too long ago.  Miserable doesn't even begin to describe how I felt.  



So true, I could not figure out why we were gaining weight and getting sicker on a vegetarian diet, when others who ate exactly the same way were very thin and healthy!!  Also, Paul would get sick from foods that seemed to have not rhyme or reason to how/why.  Some night shades, not all...some dairy, not all....some fruit, not all...some prepared foods, but not all.  I just could not put my finger on what/how certain foods seemed to work in his system.  The BTD put it all into perspective... I was amazed how accurately the neutral allowed infreqently and avoids were with his system.  Those who speak against it are ill informed.

Sandy O
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Geologists have calculated the age of Earth at 4.6 billion years. But for humans whose life span rarely reaches more than 100 years, how can we be so sure of that ancient date?

It turns out the answers are in Earth's rocks. Even the Greeks and Romans realized that layers of sediment in rock signified old age. But it wasn't until the late 1700s -- when Scottish geologist James Hutton, who observed sediments building up on the landscape, set out to show that rocks were time clocks -- that serious scientific interest in geological age began. Before then, the Bible had provided the only estimate for the age of the world: about 6,000 years, with Genesis as the history book.

Hutton's theories were short on evidence at first, but by 1830 most scientists concurred that Noah's ark was more allegory than reality as they documented geological layering. Using fossils as guides, they began to piece together a crude history of Earth, but it was an imperfect history. After all, the ever-changing Earth rarely left a complete geological record. The age of the planet, though, was important to Charles Darwin and other evolutionary theorists: The biological evidence they were collecting showed that nature needed vastly more time than previously thought to sculpt the world.

A breakthrough came with the discovery of radioactivity at the beginning of the 1900s. Scientists discovered that rocks could be timepieces -- literally. Many chemical elements in rock exist in a number of slightly different forms, known as isotopes. Certain isotopes are unstable and undergo a process of radioactive decay, slowly and steadily transforming, molecule by molecule, into a different isotope. This rate of decay is constant for a given isotope, and the time it takes for one-half of a particular isotope to decay is its radioactive half-life. For example, about 1.5 percent of a quantity of Uranium 238 will decay to lead every 100 million years. By measuring the ratio of lead to uranium in a rock sample, its age can be determined. Using this technique, called radiometric dating, scientists are able to "see" back in time.



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There are similar mechanisms in genetics, such as the 'molecular clock'.

The 'Great Flood' saga are in many other historical records besides the Bible, and there does appear to have been a massive inundation of the areas around the Black Sea at some point in history. It may represent the oral traditions of displaced refugees from the area.

The genetic codes used by all known forms of life on Earth are very similar. For example the codon CGA specifies the amino acid arginine; in bats, beetles, beech trees and George Bush. This means, and religious people might find this interesting, that there was one creation; one single event when life was born.

Nothing about an evolving process of life makes us any less unique or wondrous.

Here is a preview of a section from Genotype:

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When I was four or five I was stricken with a bad case of the measles. To help keep up my spirits, my parents brought home a new toy. It was a terrarium type of tank to which you added a special powder and water. Over the next few days my listlessness and apathy turned to wonder, as brightly colored stalactites materialized and grew ever higher. Each morning, upon awakening I would rush to the dresser cabinet across the room to marvel at what magic had happened that night.

But what would have been my probable response if my parents had just given me a pre-made stalactite garden? I can tell you. About two minutes of attention and then relegation to the closet. You see, what was fascinating about the toy was its process, not its outcome. If we can assume for a moment that something which would fascinate God is probably very similar to something that fascinates a little boy then you can have faith and as well live as with facts.






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the 'big bang' theory just won the Nobel prize, right? )


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
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about G.B.

have an eye onto the book *the chaos-theorie* from the son of Myers-Briggs very ok
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You see, what was fascinating about the toy was its process, not its outcome. If we can assume for a moment that something which would fascinate God is probably very similar to something that fascinates a little boy then you can have faith and as well live as with facts.





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God is certainly not bound to a calendar, and even for man, time is relative and the processes that it is measured by can be sped up or slowed down in some experiments.  

If the earth went twice as fast as it does around the sun, would a year still be a year?  Molecular and atomic measurements of time could also be sped up or slowed down by someone with total power and understanding of the laws governing them.  Conflicting timelines don't mean much when you consider that possiblity.  There is so much that we don't understand about both God and science, that I've never seen much point in trying to put it all together in my own little mind...


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I do not understand the dimension of time AT ALL.


"If you are on one of Dr. D's diets and it isn't joyful, you aren't doing it right." - moi

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My older son is working on a PhD in Science & Religion.  He's doing a presentation on Evangelicals & Evolution at some conference this fall.  I hope I can read that paper.  It sounds very interesting!


I also hope that I can read that paper, Mts_T_O+. If he has a soft copy of it, could you please e-mail it to me, if possible of course.

We have hints in the Holy Qoran pointing that there had been mankind living on earth before Adam and Eve. In a passage, it's stated that the angels asked God why He decided to create a "kind" that would live on Earth slaughtering and destructing. It seems as if they "know" somehow that mankind have such a nature.

Dr.D, I loved your statement pointing that the process is much more exciting and fascinating than the result itself. Faith and facts  can live in company. This is the way I think as well.

Love,
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 Remember there was once a Dr that believed against the common thought and was scoffed at for his beliefs.   I don't remember his name, but he had the strange thought that there were unseen organisms getting into patients and killing them.  So when he suggested sterilizing operating equiptment and washing hands to kill these unseen organisms, he was unmercifly mocked at!!!  Imagine!!!!! And now we know he was right


Ignaz P. Semmelweiss (Morton Thompson, The Cry and the Covenant).



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Ignaz P. Semmelweiss (Morton Thompson, The Cry and the Covenant).



I am so very bad with names, but that is a name I would not remember anyway, since I could not even pronounce it,    Sandy O
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aus Wien!!! lol


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genau...
I work in the infectious diseases and epidemiology control unit... no wonder I'm familiar with the name...


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I suppose Dr's comments could be ANY kind of Dr.
I know patience is a virture and such but I sure wish the great transformation would grow a bit more heartily in more folks a little quicker already. I'm getting tired of glazing eyes and uncomfortable glances at the wrist watches as I try to extoll the BTD line to everyone I meet these days. To the Believers (Christians that is) I've found facinating back-up in Genesis. To the hard line science types there is good open reflection in the glaze that forms. But the two will not agree and that cancels out the discussion unfortunately. In my heart I strongly feel the alignment of science and faith in "that which is everywhere present" (as I like to put it ) is so apparent. But no one else seems to share this view. This forum is the only place on earth that seems to come close. We are one. We are just not very good at it. This thread has great promise. I've research on Genesis to do before I share too much that I know too little about but there is very interesting feedback here which I'm getting much out of. Thanks everyone! Keep it up.
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