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mlpaul
Tuesday, July 25, 2006, 5:33pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Victoria,

I can relate to your comments.  There are some "ways of thinking" that are embedded in a family/culture and trying to change them is an uphill battle that can't be won.  This is what made me sooo sick!  I have since given up, I do speak my mind (usually - not yet about their BTD comments - to his family anyways) and know that if I take care of my health and my children's health (which we still disagree to some extent on), then that is all that matters.  Either he will come around, or he will continue to suffer.  He does follow the diet somewhat.  Recently, he cut out all wheat and dairy, but still eats some avoids.  The problems also come from his family - mainly his mother!  She is so resistant to change!  He tends to cave in when she's around.  That's understandable though.  The battle between pleasing wife and mother - or really not wanting to upset his mother.  

Things are starting to get better - just VERY slowly.  I guess this is to be expected.  I still have that darn type A personality - want everything fixed right now.  I am learning to be ever more patient!  

Thank-you for your comments - it looks like I am not alone in this battle!
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You're welcome, Melanie.  And Hi Isa!  Hugs to you!

Nothing is more important than your health.  Not your husbands health, and not even your childrens health.  Because if your health unravels, you will not be able to take care of your loved ones.  So take care of yourself first, and no matter what you have to do, find a way to eat for your health.  Just let everyone else do/think/say/act however they choose.  It isn't your job to convince or change anyone else, until they are ready and actually ask for your help.  But you can stop them from manipulating you.



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Whenever I say I don't eat x, and someone says "but x is healthy" I tend to say, maybe it's healthy for you, but it's poison to me, so I have no desire to ingest it.
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Quoted from Serena
Whenever I say I don't eat x, and someone says "but x is healthy" I tend to say, maybe it's healthy for you, but it's poison to me, so I have no desire to ingest it.


A great response Serena.  Good for you okay, but I'm different: not good for me.  And leave it at that.



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Quoted from mlpaul
 I still have that darn type A personality - want everything fixed right now.  I am learning to be ever more patient!  
it looks like I am not alone in this battle!


I too have that "I want everything fixed now" personality and trying to  learn at the same time to be more patient. You are not alone in either of your battles.  



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I know a lot of people on Atkins.  I ask them their blood types, and I learn something interesting but not surprising.  The people I know who did well on Atkins (lost weight, looked great, felt energetic) were Os and Bs.  The people I know who felt aweful on Atkins and may have lost weight but gained a bunch of stomach aches were As.

I do have something I want to add here.  It's been tumbling around in my mind for a while, after reading many posts that leaned in a certain direction, almost a religious one....What I mean is this:  The Blood Type Diet is not a religion.  I think people tend to think of diets as religions.  "I cheated, and now I pay for it."  Or, "I've been good--I won't gain weight (the ultimate "punishment" for food-sins???  Ha.)"  Or, "I've been bad--will I die tomorrow?"  It's easy to compare diets like we compare religions and denominations.  I want to say this:  A diet doesn't work for us if we believe in it.  A diet works for us because of the way our bodies are built.  Experiment.  See how you feel.  If you feel aweful following the BTD, you're either not doing it right, or Dr. D got it all wrong and the rest of us have fallen victim to the placebo affect.  Or maybe you're that 1 out of 10 that it doesn't seem to work for.  Or there's something on your beneficial list that you personally are allergic to.  (My daughter, AB, should have soy, but she's allergic to it.  My husband, B, should be able to have oats, but he's gluten-intolerant).  You don't have to believe in a diet to follow it.  Just try it for a while and see how it goes.  You're not obligated to follow it.  It's not a sin to discontinue a diet if it doesn't work for you.  

Also, who needs a doctor's go-ahead?  It's your body.  You do what you want.  If you want to try the BTD and everybody laughs at you, who cares?  You'll be the one who feels good.  They'll still be fat.

I chuckle sometimes reading people's posts when they make comments that sound so cultic.  It's the BTD Cult!  Dr. D is our guru!  We do what he says or we will die an early and painful death!  (That may be the case, but it's because he's right--I think--not because we SIN.)  

Forgive me if I overstepped my bounds with sarcasm.  It's just a little soap box of mine.


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Also, who needs a doctor's go-ahead? It's your body. You do what you want. If you want to try the BTD and everybody laughs at you, who cares? You'll be the one who feels good. They'll still be fat.

I chuckle sometimes reading people's posts when they make comments that sound so cultic. It's the BTD Cult! Dr. D is our guru! We do what he says or we will die an early and painful death! (That may be the case, but it's because he's right--I think--not because we SIN.)

Forgive me if I overstepped my bounds with sarcasm. It's just a little soap box of mine.


What a fine soapbox you have! May you continue to use it in good health.

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Quoted from Ribbit
"I've been bad--will I die tomorrow?"  
Also, who needs a doctor's go-ahead?  It's your body.  You do what you want.  If you want to try the BTD and everybody laughs at you, who cares?  You'll be the one who feels good.  They'll still be fat.
Forgive me if I overstepped my bounds with sarcasm.  It's just a little soap box of mine.


Not dying the next day or going off the deep end because you ate one tiny little something that you shouldn't have, is precisely why I like BTD. Well among all of it's goodness, that is.  I know I won't die tomorrow, I know I don't have to freak out and pretend I will die, I know I can get right back on it the next day, the next meal and be perfectly fine. What more can you ask for really.      As mentioned, I know I don't need my doctor (or any dr's) approval to do it. Eating foods that are good for me can't possibly hurt me no matter what the problem.  And yes, those people that laugh at you/me for eating well, ................well, yes, they will be the ones who will be sick/fat, so, yeah, who cares if they laugh? Good point Ribbit.
Wouldn't worry about the sarcasm - you wouldn't be the first.  
Lloyd-O-secretor, I second your comment.  



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But with the BTD you always have the choice of selecting the other door...


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Ribbit,

Good post! Thank-you!  You are absolutely correct about not needing a doctor's approval.  Although this is true, on some psychological level (at least with me), I needed some kind of confirmation/"approval" from someone in the medical field that I knew and knew my history.  I was embrasing something that on one hand made sense, but had a sense of uncertainty to it's validity - which I'm sure is due to the media's impact on all the other diets and ways of life that have been recommended and then dissected and found out to not be good for you.  

The process for me has been:

(1) YEAH! I've found something that makes sense to me and is explained in layman's terms so I can understand and follow it.

(2)  OH NO!  What if this turns out to be one of those diets/ways of living that years down the road is deemed to not be good for us or will hurt us in some way?  Maybe I should run this by my doctor - who knows my medical history - to see what her take is on it.  After all, they have studied the field of medicine and should be able to give me better insight into whether this will be beneficial for me.

(3)  OH NO!!!  My doctor does not support this and I can't find someone in my area that does.  Maybe this is not all it's cracked up to be - there must be SOME reason why they don't support it.  Maybe I should find out more before embarking on it.

(4)  YES!!!  There is a website that has a forum where you can talk to people who have experience with this diet!  Maybe they can address some of my fears and I can find out how it is working out for them.  There are current users on the forum and it has an international presence.  

(5)  Hmmmmm. . . Maybe the doctor's are not right.  Others are having the same experience that I have and they have overcome it.  I will try it and see if it works for me.  If anything, I will feel better - none of the suggestions should hurt me (was a little worried about eating "so much" meat - until many posts set me straight that it really isn't a lot of meat, it is just quality of meat and portions).  If I don't feel better, I can always stop it.

(6)  FINALLY - I've started the diet and it is doing well.  To **** with the doctor's and everyone else who does not support what I'm doing.  I feel good and that's all that matters.  I believe I've gotten to the root of my problems (or at least very close to it) and if they don't want to jump on board - well that's there decision.  I'm comfortable with what I'm doing and this is MY decision!  

I think this process is just human nature!  I do agree that there is a lot of the "oh my god, I cheated - what will happen to me?"  I'm surprised to see that this comes from people that appear to have been on the diet for awhile.  Well, I'm not there yet, and don't know if I will ever have that mindset.  I cheat every now and then and don't beat myself up over it - and the food tastes so good!  I enjoy every bite!  How many other people can go out and eat a banana split - full of avoids - and actually enjoy it, not caring about the amount of fat and junk they are putting in their body?  I can because I don't do it that often and it's my "reward" for treating my body the majority of the time with foods that are good for it, so I can occassionally reward my taste buds  ).

I'm glad that this forum is here and has helped me to take the information as presented in the book one step further - into practice!  Thank-you!

Again, good post!  Love the information.  
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Melanie, for most of us, clear up until the time we find BTD, we've relied on our doctors and thought they knew all. This being the case, seems natural to get their opinion and take it into "heavy" consideration. It's only after reading Dr Ds'research, talking to others who are eating BTD and eating this way for yourself, that one comes to truly stand on their own two feet and have their own opinion. So as you say, it's just human nature to "wonder".  Nothin' wrong w/ that.    
For some reason,  I believed its goodness from the moment I picked up the book and got serious. Don't really know why but I attribute it to, I think, that my mom has been a vitamin fiend all her life and was always trying to do the nutrition thing. Tho I didn't so much appreciate it as a kid, guess it did sink in and I do appreciate it now.  


Quoted from mlpaul
I do agree that there is a lot of the "oh my god, I cheated - what will happen to me?"  I'm surprised to see that this comes from people that appear to have been on the diet for awhile.


Me too - surprised to see such reaction to eating one avoid by a "seasoned" BTD'er.     I don't think one avoid does all that much damage, thank goodness.   (Well unless you do it all the time and only count them BY ones. ) If so, you'd better give up that ice cream missy!!     Oh but wait, never mind, cause I treat myself w/ Starbucks Iced White Chocolate Mocha.   What the heck, I think we'll both survive.



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I chuckle sometimes reading people's posts when they make comments that sound so cultic.  It's the BTD Cult!  Dr. D is our guru!  We do what he says or we will die an early and painful death!

Guru

2
a : a teacher and especially intellectual guide in matters of fundamental concern
b : one who is an acknowledged leader or chief proponent
c : a person with knowledge or expertise : EXPERT

I would say that Dr. D is a guru.  

I certainly don't consider the BTD to be even remotely related to religion.


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(2) ......  my doctor - who knows my medical history - to see what her take is on it.  After all, they have studied the field of medicine and should be able to give me better insight into whether this will be beneficial for me.


I think this statement explains exactly why we cannot expect to rely on an M.D. to give us a perspective on the ideal way to eat to stay healthy.  

"they have studied the field of medicine"

This is what they have studied, not wellness.  I realized a long time ago, that no matter how good my doctors have been, or are, their field is medicine .....diagnosing illness.....treating disease with chemicals....or cutting it out.  They have a few very generalized suggestions for avoiding disease and staying healthy.  They are not trained and prepared in the field of Wellness.  It isn't their field of expertise.



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All I have to say is Whoa...I love this thread.

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And...I repeat.  

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This is what they have studied, medicine, not wellness.  I realized a long time ago, that no matter how good my doctors have been, or are, their field is medicine .....diagnosing illness.....treating disease with chemicals....or cutting it out.  They have a few very generalized suggestions for avoiding disease and staying healthy.  They are not trained and prepared in the field of Wellness.  It isn't their field of expertise.


Exactly and as has been touched on many times on this board, our doctors' fundings come mostly from the Big Pharm. Enough said.    



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But with the BTD you always have the choice of selecting the other door...


Ah....... interesting analogy. Who's Monty? What's behind the doors? Won't most people just stick with what their intuition originally told them, even if the alternate is demonstrably better (in the long run)? Who understands? Who wants to understand? Is this all nothing more than a game?

Maybe the reference was slightly oblique.......... .

EDIT: Yes, refering to Dr D's thread in Little Fishes.
{update 9/07. Removed broken link to old thread in Little Fishes, thread about the "Monty Hall problem" (math theory) that generated interest. The comments I made referred to what was going on in that thread, from one perspective.}

Also see my additional comment in reply 95, below.

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Ah....... interesting analogy. Who's Monty? What's behind the doors? Won't most people just stick with what their intuition originally told them, even if the alternate is demonstrably better (in the long run)? Who understands? Who wants to understand? Is this all nothing more than a game?  

Maybe the reference was slightly obique..........  .


It was in reference to another thread that Dr. D started.  It was a challenge/puzzle he gave us, based on the Let's Make A Deal game show.



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Oh, Dr. D, don't start with the doors thing again.  It thoroughly confused me and besides---if you wait outside the door long enough, the goats will die and start to stink, so you know exactly which doors have what behind them, a dead goat or a new car.  There was probably a principle there that I totally missed.  

Duh.  We all know that the more we follow the BTD, the better we feel, and that's the bottom line of it all.

MoDon, having grown up in a cult and having my entire family still there, I have a slightly different definition of the term guru than the dictionary might.  Dr. D would indeed be a guru according to the dictionary.  The way I meant it, it seems like some people have a tendency to elevate drs. in general and Dr. D specifially in that they know all, see all, and have and hold all wisdom.  While they may be smarter than some of us, or at least more knowledgeable,  they certainly hold no power over us to tell us what to do and not do.  They can give their views and their research and their advice, but it is up to us to make our own choices.



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Hi folks,

from Ribbit's and Lloyd's and KK's comments among others ... there IS an element of 'religion' in BTD adherence.  But as my chum understood that his concept of spirituality was in fact emotions; we too often confuse religion with diet or politics...etc.  Religion is about: God and Man (humans) + Man and Man .... the BTD is about Man and Man.  Sounds simple until you understand that the word Man involves a great deal more than sexuality and physicality.  The human has physical aspects + intellectual (reasoning) aspects + emotional [family and friends] aspects + faith (in goodness; in others; .... in myself and in God) aspects.

It is not very important to specify where one leaves off and another aspect continues ... many younger folks will focus on the first two ... people married and with kids will gravitate 'naturally' to the emotions .... older folks will often live a life of faith.  Each 'stage' is both consuming and important.  We need PURPOSE(physical) + UNDERSTANDING(intellectual) + MEANING(emotions) + SIGNIFICANCE(faith).  Seniors (especially elderly seniors) see life much differently than their children ... we focus on comfort ... they on truth.

We need seniors ... we must re-learn who Mom and Dad are .... guru's are for the young!

just my opinion ...

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Oh, Dr. D, don't start with the doors thing again. It thoroughly confused me.....


I'm fairly sure Dr. D intended his comment to mean something like "You get as many chances as you need to switch to the BTD".

My comments on his comment were more philosophical and on a slightly different tack, which I'm fairly sure will be roundly misinterpreted.


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Everything is as religious as you choose to make it.  

A God you 'walk with' will tend to promote self reliance and good deeds. A God 'up there' will allow you to avoid taking responsibility for the consequences of your own actions.

Barring brainwashing, labeling someone a  'guru' or 'superhero'  just depreciates the hard work and effort from what is, in fact, always a rather normal human being.


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Dear Peter,

What fascinates me about you is not only your great work, but also preferring to stay a human being!..

And wonderfully put, "walk with" God!

Thanks again for sharing your wisdom with us.

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Everything is as religious as you choose to make it.  

A God you 'walk with' will tend to promote self reliance and good deeds. A God 'up there' will allow you to avoid taking responsibility for the consequences of your own actions.

Barring brainwashing, labeling someone a  'guru' or 'superhero'  just depreciates the hard work and effort from what is, in fact, always a rather normal human being.


It's not the distance between them and you; it's the distance between you and you.


What about a God 'in you' giving you the guidelines to adhere to..
It is up to every individual to 'listen' to that voice or not..
Like you so eloquently put it in your wolves-signature..

As I feel it, the more you 'choose' not to listen to that inner godly voice, the more you distance 'you' from 'yourself', with all physical, psychological, emotional problems as a result.

I firmly believe there is no such thing as 'sin'  or 'punishment', 'good' or 'bad', there are 'choices' and 'consequences'.  
And.. a person can start 'choosing' every day anew...

There is divine light in everyone of us, but we have to let it come out ourselves...

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What about a God 'in you' giving you the guidelines to adhere to..
It is up to every individual to 'listen' to that voice or not..
Like you so eloquently put it in your wolves-signature..

As I feel it, the more you 'choose' not to listen to that inner godly voice, the more you distance 'you' from 'yourself', with all physical, psychological, emotional problems as a result.

Cocky


How wonderful to read my own perspective, expressed in a way that I can actually understand myself!  



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There's a quote by Jim Elliot we had to memorize in highschool:  "God has given man the freedom of choice; but with that freedom comes the responsibility of living with the consequences of that choice."  There are natural consequences to choices we make that are not necessarily in any way God-related (of course, to a Christian, everything is God-related, but follow me here for a minute.....) For example, if you murder somebody, his family is going to get a little irked (most likely) and come after you (except maybe in countries where there are law-enforcing people to do it for you).  If you sleep with your neighbor's wife, there is a natural consequence:  your neighbor will (most likely) be irked and have something to say about it.  If you steal your neighbor's favorite goat (or car), you'll have to pay him back in some way----all natural consequences to things you can call sin or call dumb choices.  Either way, even if you don't believe in God, there are still natural consequences to things.  Dr. D's doors are there for the choosing, but we have been given some direction as to the best choices.  


ISTJ, BTD since 5/05.  Battling chronic Lyme disease since ~1985.

"Everything is permissible for me, but not everything is beneficial..."  I Corinthians 6:12

Family: 3 As, 1 B, 1 AB, 1 O
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