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meribelle
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I would love to talk about wheat.  I have never noticed that it constipates me, but I have noticed that when I eat it my nose runs and gets stopped up.  Also when I eat wheat I have no energy.  I guess this is time to confess that I ate lots of cake last night and this morning, and now my nose is stopped up.  I wonder if it "stops up" the other end of me too!!!  

Let's talk about wheat some more.  I would love to hear what other people have to say. Do we have to make a new thread to talk about something else?

meribelle


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In the list of worst foods for type O, the number one is wheat products (especially whole grain wheat or wheat germ).  

If you want exposure to more potential information on this topic, you could start a new thread, entitled Why is wheat bad for O's, or something like that.  I'm sure you will get a lot of your questions answered.



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I split out the last two posts, to start this topic for Meribelle.

Wheat makes me crave more wheat, sugar, and it's difficult to stop.  It's definitely an addictive food for me.

Since I have followed the Arthritis program, I've taken note of MoDon's comments about Rh-'s having a harder time with grains, and have gone the extra step of being completely grain free.  Works best for me.



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My daughter's face (type O) breaks out in acne within hours.....


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I never associated acne with wheat, but even though I am somewhat older than 50, I still have break out problems. I always thought it was chocolate. I am going to watch wheat now.

I find wheat extremely addicting. I just can't seem to stop once I start eating something with wheat and sugar. My husband, who is an A, does not have that problem.

Tonight we are having spaghetti, but I will not have pasta. Any suggestions?

Meribelle


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I cannot tolerate wheat in any amount or form. It's a terrible starch craving trigger for me. It also causes my fibromyalgia to flare up. Joint/muscle pain, inability to concentrate, memory loss, depression and anxiety/panic attacks, mood swings, IBS . . . I try to stay far, far away from it. As my twinnie Peppermint Twist says, 'nothing tastes as good as health feels.'

As for wheat or semolina pasta substitutes, you can use rice pasta (Tinkyada or Pastariso are good brands). Vitaspelt also makes whole grain and white pasta. Personally I love vegetable spaghetti, it's my number one substitute. It's a vegetable, not a grain, and tastes fantastic with sauce. If you don't have any of those at hand at the moment, how about cooking up a little turkey or beef sausage and having the sauce over that? Or beef meatballs? Pretty good without the pasta! Sauce over roasted red or green peppers, sauteed mushrooms and onions is tasty too.

Hope this helps.


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Wheat makes me very tired and makes my joints ache too.  It's just not worth having.  I will have an occasional piece of Ezekiel bread but even that tends to make me feel "heavy" for lack of a better word.
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I also am always tired after I eat wheat products.  I am pleased to say that I passed up the pasta and had yellow squash with my spaghetti sauce.  I had a slice of Ezekiel toast while my husband ate white bread garlic toast.

I know I don't do it right all the time, but having just posted several times about the hazards of wheat for me, helped me to make the right choices this meal time.

I love the way my body feels when I give it the right food.

I notice the avoids have a worse affect than they did before.  Usually it is a stuffy nose that is the first sign of having eaten an "avoid."

I love this way of eating.

meribelle


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I like seaweed flakes with pasta sauce.  

I tried the rice and spelt pastas.  But like others who have posted on this thread, I do better with very little grain.  I tried spaghetti squash, and it is good.  But I have to plan ahead, allowing an hour for the squash to cook.  So often spaghetti sauce is a last minute meal for me.

I buy seaweed flakes at an Asian market.  I put about a tablespoon in warm water and let them fluff up for 5 minutes.  I rinse and drain them, then top them with sauce.  They do not taste like pasta!  They have a bit of a fishy taste.  But the texture is something like pasta, and I like substituting a beneficial for a grain.  


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Hi meribelle,

Ditto to all the physical symptoms people have already listed.  

When I eat wheat, it also makes me feel more paranoid, insecure, and moody than usual.  It is like it changes how my brain works, so that things look more negative and I am more prone to be caught up in negative thinking spirals/depression.  This is even more extreme for me when wheat is combined with sugar (eg: cake).  Some of the stupidest things I have done or said were under these conditions!


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The first thing that happens is that my tear thicken and my eyes feel boggy and buggery.  That lasts for several hours.

I am utterly addicted to wheat and once I start down the wheat road, it might take me a week, a month or a year to get it under control.  Actually, I'm not sure that it is ever under control.  I'm struggling with it as we speak.

Also, it makes me want more and more and more.

It makes me depressed, not only chemically, but emotionally because I have such a hard time controlling it.  I physically get very tired.  I get grouchy.

It makes me gain weight.

All around bad stuff.


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Consuming food that is wheat base always makes my stomach bloated, and i feel
like a pregnant woman carrying wheat in my womb! and ya, wheat makes me
lethargic as well so i'm staying away from it!
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I have not eaten wheat in well over 6 years now. Being gluten intolerant, wheat gave me horrible attacks similar to that of having gall stones. Piercing pains through the middle of my chest clear through to my back. I couldn't sit, lay, and standing without doing some sort of ritual dance was almost impossible. So needless to say, wheat is a definite out in my book. Also, I'm sure this is the cause of being diagnost with fibromyalgia. Since I have been gluten free, most of these problems have subsided. It was more than just wheat, but wheat was the big player.


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Wheat makes me bloat up around the gut and have the most musical flatulence you could imagine!


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Wheat makes me bloat up around the gut and have the most musical flatulence you could imagine!


Aah!!! Musical flatulence!!! That's the one thing I miss by being on this diet. That after pasta chorus was a true delight. All the family used to sing along
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It sounds like this is the Wheat Not fan club!  It is definitely Not a food that I consider a food anymore!  I quit eating wheat about 4 years ago, and just a few months ago, I realized that I am not going to eat anymore spelt or even sprouted wheat breads either.  They are not as bad as wheat flour, but were still giving me problems.  
As I have cut out these types of grains, I have felt better, and lighter, and more comfortable in my body.  I am sleeping better, and have an easier disposition also.  And my energy is more.  My complexion is better.

With all these benefits, who needs wheat and spelt?

Oh, by the way, Dr. D.'s new post in the Ask Dr. D'Adamo has some words about type O's and wheat.



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http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/4/archives/00000198.htm - Why wheat is bad for Os

http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/4/archives/00000203.htm - a personal experience, beyond a solely celiac reaction (rye and barley just make me run to the bathroom, wheat does ever so much more)

In other words, it does just about everything to me, everything but cause spontaneous human combustion


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I love the new ideas I learn from you guys.  I have never thought of a grain free life.  And surely I have never thought of Seaweed Flakes.  

I welcome, Veron, also.  This is a wonderful place that makes me really think about what I am putting in my body.

Question:  Is Ezkiel bread a sprouted bread?


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Question that is not about wheat, but I want to know:

How does a person add where they live to the site on the left.  I see some of you are from Oregon and Pennsylvania, etc.  I would like to add Texas.

Please tell me how.


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Go to the member center (top right hand corner of your screen) , click on change profile (on left) and type whatever you want in the personal message line at the bottom of the screen.

Wheat - makes me feel bloated and tired, come out in acne, makes my gums sore......
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Wheat makes me feel tired and high, loopy and kind of stupid.  I think wheat is what was giving me eczema.  I don't have it any more after 2 months on ER4YT.  
I do fine with rye bread but I do have tiny slices.  
I made pasta for the family on Saturday night and I skipped the pasta and the garlic bread.  I just had 2 helpings of salad and later on ate some chicken salad on a slice of rye.  I did have a glass of red wine though and had an itchy throat at bedtime.  I had a glass last night too and had the same itchy throat.  I think I have to give up wine too!  WAAAAAA


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I agree with Victoria, wheat is the single worst avoid for most Type O's, "period and the end", as someone I knew used to say when she REALLY meant something *lol*. The lectin is a very bad actor in the O system. Wheat is very highly inflamatory for O's in every way. It isn't just one system of our body that it affects, it is every system. For me, here are some of the top hits on the wheat-symptoms hit parade:

1. Triggers cravings for other carbohydrates/triggers binging.
2. Stops weight loss/starts weight gain.
3. Inflames my nasal passages, which really--given my particular history/sitch do NOT need to be inflamed. Due to the fact that, in me, this area is already a weak/problem area (long story), it can exacerbate the tendency towards nosebleeds. But I'm an extreme/freak case there. For most O's, it would simply inflame the nasal tract.
4. Causes mucous production in the upper-respiratory tract.
5. Cause severe post-nasal drip.
6. Can trigger digestive problems, which though mild to non-existent in my case, can be severe for many other O's I know of.
7. Can and usually does cause a symptom in me that is similar to a BAD case of PMS, brain/mood/behavior-wise. Anytime between the ingestion of wheat and about 72 hours later, I am likely to explode in anger, be very volatile, overreact, be exquisitely sensitive and almost paranoid, burst into tears, behave like I have no "gatekeeper", nothing between the raw emotion and how I act, from LASHING OUT to crying to stamping out of a room to making rash decisions ( see #10 ), you name it.
8. I guess due to the inflamation it causes systemically in me, it can and has caused my back problem to flare up, joints to ache, muscles to go into spasm, etc.
9. Causes depression, feelings of hopelessness, feeling like not only is the glass half empty, the glass is TOTALLY empty and smashed on the floor.
10. Brain fog, poor decision-making. This is related to #6, but separate because it is such a big deal in me. I really shouldn't be allowed out of the house when eating wheat, because I can't seem to trust my decisions or the reasoning (or lack thereof) that got me to the decision. To use extreme, fictitious examples, I'm liable to quit my job, file for divorce (not that I'm married...but that probably wouldn't stop me in my wheat-induced haze *lol*), and run off and join the circus.
11. Causes edema and swelling throughout my body, noticeable in my ankles, for instance.
12. Weakens my immune system which, coupled with the inflamation it causes throughout my bod, makes it far more likely for me to get colds and other illnesses.
13. Speaking of PMS, it worsens that by a landslide. If I ever have eaten wheat AND have PMS, run, do not walk, away from me.
14. Raises my triglycerides and blood pressure. Pre-BTD, my BP was as high as 140/90. Now? It is around 112/64. That is NOT just due to weight loss, as my weight has fluctuated even on the BTD. It is due a lot to the wheat thaaaaang, I think, although it is the total package of the BTD.
15. Causes fatigue, utter lack of energy.
16. Causes dull headaches.

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I'd been thinking about this topic this morning before coming to work, so I am so glad that this post is up and I can get my ideas out of my head.

Anyway...  I'd recently gotten into a renewed no-wheat mind set (recently--one week ago) and I'd been wheat free for 6 days.  I was feeling more or less good, also running again, which was nice.  Saturday, I ordered deep fried mozzarella (I think that I can't live without the stuff if I find a place that makes it, but maybe I can live without it...) and a battered halibut filet.  Didn't think it was much wheat, but apparently it was enough.  My head and body have been "off" ever since.  Nothing going quite right (not really wrong, just not right enough to feel good), I've been very cranky toward people, and I've been kinda sad, and I've been feeling a bit bloaty, and I have felt a little like a zombie just going around.  Maybe that is related to the things not going wrong but not right.

I just wish that my responses to wheat were stronger or that I noticed them more so that I would remember for the next time.
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I have made fried Mozzarella like this:
Slice Mozzerella in slices about 1/2 inch thick. Dip in egg wash, then rye crumbs or rice flour.  Or skip egg wash  and crumbs/flour and just place slices on an oiled cookie sheet.  Broil until browned and turn over, broil till browned again.  Remove carefully from cookie sheet and spoon a dollop of marinara sauce on each.  My kids love this too.


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Quoted from meribelle
I love the new ideas I learn from you guys.  I have never thought of a grain free life.  And surely I have never thought of Seaweed Flakes.  

I welcome, Veron, also.  This is a wonderful place that makes me really think about what I am putting in my body.

Question:  Is Ezkiel bread a sprouted bread?


Grain-free for an O is not a bad thing!

And regarding Ezekial bread, it is a sprouted bread.  Some people do fine on it, and others, including myself, do not.  For me, it's a matter of the gluten.  I just don't eat it.



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Wheat causes me to stop weight loss, get stuffed up, can cause killer headaches - feeling like poison flowing to my brain, makes me not able to concentrate, foggy thinking, and my gums really hurt whenever I have it. And I think it causes me to get acne and ezima on my scalp. Why did I ever start eating it again given all that it does to me - I think because it's addicting!! And it's so hard when everywhere you look whole wheat is promoted as this great health food. But I don't think wheat is a beneficial for any of the blood types is it? Maybe at best it's neutral for A's or AB's - but definately not for us O's.


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Speaking of wheat as an avoid for O's and being probably the biggest avoid for us - for the rest of you O's what would be your other top avoids - I'm sure this has been discussed before - but for me my top 3 avoids would be wheat, dairy and corn - all of which can be hidden in so many things!!  Would you add other avoids that top your lists?  


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Here is my wheat report for today.  I took a homemade lasagne to work today.  I had convinced myself that "a little bit of pasta" would be okay.  Well...............  about 30 minutes after lunch I was in a coma.  It was awful.  I should have known better, but it "sounded" so good.  Thank goodness there was a co-worker who ate the rest, because, even though it was bad for me, all I could think of was finishing it off.  It is like a monster craving.

And while we are at it, on a different subject, what is an egg wash?  Is it just egg and water?


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I found some brown rice lasagna noodles and plan to use them next week.  Oddly enough, they were at the regular grocery store.  There are tons of wheat-free alternatives out there for those special occasions.  
I haven't tried spelt yet but I'm going to, also next week, Jills spelt pie crust.


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Quoted from mhameline
Speaking of wheat as an avoid for O's and being probably the biggest avoid for us - for the rest of you O's what would be your other top avoids - I'm sure this has been discussed before - but for me my top 3 avoids would be wheat, dairy and corn - all of which can be hidden in so many things!! Would you add other avoids that top your lists?


Those are my top three, and the most addictive for me. I'm past the wheat addiction on account of being celiac, but corn and milk are sooo addictive to me, I can't "just have a tiny little taste" without craving it for a week or more afterwards.

I was thinking along those same lines, because some of the reactions people have described for wheat are the same reactions I have to corn and dairy.

A rung down on my superavoid list would be soy and sugar.  


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Oh yeah - soy is also a big avoid for me since it causes big problems with my periods - but that one's an easy one for me to avoid since I was never big on soy to begin with.  And I find if I'm avoiding wheat and dairy especially then I'm automatically way down on my sugar consumption anyway.  But I did forget another big avoid for me - potatoes.  Those can be hard to avoid as well - especially in the form of french fries - it's so easy to be so bad!!


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Okay, A BIG question from the previous post . .  SOY?  I thought us O's could have soy.  

Please explain.

As for me, corn is a killer.  I have a lot of trouble with dry eyes, and when I eat corn, I really feel it.  Dairy stops up my nose, and oh how I love cheese!  I have tried to switch my affections to Mozerella ( I think I spelled it wrong), but cheese is just good.

However, I try to have DISCIPLINE, and try to avoid what I know will harm me.  But truthfully, there are times when I just "have one" of something.  Like potato chips... I ate some today before I went into my coma.  Potatos really are a trigger food, but not as bad as wheat and corn.


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SOY?  I thought us O's could have soy.  

Not O non-secretors, "nonnies."  It's an avoid for them.  Melissa J is a nonnie.



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I'm a secretor, but I'm discovering that soy is probably one of my top 3.  Oddly enough I have very little reactions to corn, especially corn kernals or corn on the cob.  I can eat corn on the cob just fine.  It actually makes me feel good.  I don't eat it very often.  

Corn syrup is a different animal, tho.  It is one of my top avoids.  It really does a number on me, mostly triggering severe sciatica almost immediately.

Wheat, soy and corn syrup are my biggies. Potatoes don't bother me, but I'm not a potato fan at all - never have been.  As long as I don't have the "healthy"kettle type chips in the house, I'm fine.

Dairy also show no effect for me, except that it makes me want more and more.  Even mozzarella does this, unfortunately.  I'm starting to realize that this is my dairy problem - it is a bad trigger food.


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But WHY do our avoids make us want more and more?  


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Quoted from meribelle
But WHY do our avoids make us want more and more?


Personal opinion: If you give the body avoids it thinks - If you expect me to get by on this stuff I'm going to need more - so you eat more. Dont eat avoids.

Never a big wheat eater but now eat none due to BTD and the testimonials I hear on this board.

I find I can good rice replacements from any decent aisan food store.






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I am doing better with all of these posts in my head.  But it is kind of like "whak a mole", which is a game played at a carvival. When you don't expect it, a mole pops up and your job is to Whak it.  My point is that just about the time I think I am doing good on avoiding my avoids, all of a sudden I am eating one of them!!  

I never thought about our bodies crying out for more because the food is not sufficient.  Whatever it is, sometimes it yells awfully loud.

My eyes scratch and my nose runs.  Wheat and Dairy and Corn are my main problems.


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And while I am asking questions, here is another one.

Is there really enough "corn" in corn syrup to cause a reaction?


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And while I am asking questions, here is another one.

Is there really enough "corn" in corn syrup to cause a reaction?


Yes. Corn lectin. That's why it's classified as an avoid in the TYPEBase4.


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avoids act like drugs in our bodies, until we kick the trigger problem, and free our body of the junk.


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You are right.  Our's is not to question.  It has been tried and proven.  We just have to believe and do.  It works.


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I think the main reason corn syrup is such an avoid is because of the way it's processed and made - it's such a processed thing that one could hardly classify it as a food - it's a cheap sweetener and filler I think.  Others may have better explanations as to why corn syrup is so bad for all everyone - I'm pretty sure it's an avoid for all blood types.  


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I was thinking about prepared spagehetti sauce when I wrote about corn syrup.  As you know, I made spaghetti, and did not eat the pasta, BUT, there is corn syrup is just about all spaghetti sauce in a jar.

So much for a quick meal for a working girl.  From scratch is better and safer.


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Quoted from meribelle


So much for a quick meal for a working girl. From scratch is better and safer.


More creative too. I just made spagetti sauce tonight for rice spagetti.
Tomato paste, water, garlic, onion, cayanne pepper,curry.
Did up a double batch and will save extra to use later. You can extra cook to set up later convenience.

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except for A secretors with no serious health issues......
important here is choosing a non GE corn syrup, preferably organic.
http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?13


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wheat gave me horrible attacks similar to that of having gall stones. Piercing pains through the middle of my chest clear through to my back


Wow!  I kinda figured when I get this problem, that it was the wheat, especially. Seems, however, when you eat one avoid, you inevitably eat another.
I have every symptom listed on this thread when I eat wheat. Sore throat, ear pain and bronchitis to add to them, if I missed them somewhere.
Corn syrup and high fructose corn syrup should be considered BIG avoids for O's.  Funny how the "eating an avoid makes you want to eat another avoid" things goes, but it is also true for me. It has been a constant struggle lately, w/ certain avoids. Gotta get my mindset back on 100% compliance!!!!!  
KK, thanks for separating this off into it's own thread. Seems some of us O's need a constant reminder in the way of these threads, that wheat is such a no-no.
 Not that I REALLY want to be a celiac, but I think avoiding wheat would be so much easier if I were. Now THAT is the cowards' way out, huh?  Tho, to be truthful, I think wheat affects me just about as bad as if I  were.
Still wishing I could get my daughter to get her and the girls off wheat. Gotta be the good example. THERE, now THAT should be a good motivator.



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meribelle--you can find commercial spaghetti sauce without corn syrup in it. Check your health food store, or look online. I will admit to keeping a jar or two in the cupboard for times when I just don't feel like being creative, or am in a hurry. My roomie likes Classico brand, so that's what we use. It has parmesan cheese, partially hydrogenated soybean oil and citric acid in it, but they are fairly low on the list and I don't seem to have any problem with the sauce beyond a few achy joints from the tomatoes, so it's a good choice for us. (She doesn't care for any of the HFS brands.) In any event, it's very occasional use only, so I'm not too fussed. As long as I'm not eating it on semolina pasta, it's all good.

Anyway--back to the thread topic, wheat. I never connected my constant anxious state and panic attacks to wheat until I went off it completely a year and a half ago (Oct. 2004). One month later, anxiety and attacks--gone. Then I did something stupid that turned out to be a blessing of sorts. For Thanksgiving I had a teaspoon--one TEASPOON--of bread stuffing. Twelve hours later I had a massive panic attack--shortness of breath/wheezing, rise in bp, trembling, paranoia, the whole works. Wow! That was a huge shock. I knew then I could never consider wheat or grains as a staple part of my diet ever again. I mean, I knew in my head wheat was bad for me, but this was a demonstration to my body that what Dr. D told me, and what my head knew, was RIGHT. *chuckle* I have weird thought processes, what can I say.


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The organic tomato pasta sauces taste exactly the same as the "other" ones.  Who wants tomato sauce with ANY hydrogenated fat or corn syrup in it?  Would you make it with those ingredients?  I certainly wouldn't, nor would I eat them.  
There's one calle Muir (I think) Organics that is fantastic and about the same price as "regular".  If I need a lot of sauce for company, I'll use it as a base for my own sauce but I usually make my own because it's so darned easy.  
Take a crockpot and pour cans of tomato sauce, puree, crushed, ground, and some paste.  Add chopped or squeezed garlic (or bottled if you buy it), some italian seasoning, turn on pot and voila!  4 hours or so and you've got sauce.  
When you make it a little more often you'll learn to add basil, oregano, bay leaf, a little thyme, some sauteed onion, fennel, and you'll learn what combos of tomato products make the texture you like.  


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There's one calle Muir (I think) Organics that is fantastic and about the same price as "regular".  


Just a warning of sorts about the Muir brand. Someone else on the forum said they were really disgusted that the citric acid in this brand is from corn. They said they confirmed it w/ the company itself.
There are lots of pasta sauces at WF that are mostly, if not totally, compliant. You just have to read, read, read the labels.  The Isola brand is pretty compliant. I get the eggplant and mushroom variety. LOVE it.



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Thanks for the warning!  We don't have a WF here but I'l look for the Isola brand for emergency dinners.  The eggplant one sounds delish.


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I was thinking about prepared spagehetti sauce when I wrote about corn syrup. As you know, I made spaghetti, and did not eat the pasta, BUT, there is corn syrup is just about all spaghetti sauce in a jar.

So much for a quick meal for a working girl. From scratch is better and safer.

There are lots of corn-syrup-free marinara sauces (spaghetti sauces) available at most health food stores, if you can't find any in your regular grocery store.* I mean, entire shelves of them. You need to check out your local HFS, girl.

As for corn syrup being an avoid, yes, it is the lectin. But as was pointed out, it is also the way it is processed and the type of sugar it is. In a nutshell, the rise of obesity and childhood diabetes, etc., does correllate to the time that high-fructose corn syrup started replacing regular sugar (which actually seems GOOD in comparison *lol*) in all our foods. That is not scientific proof of a cause-and-effect relationship, there are lots of other variables, too (including the several decades-long hegemony of high-carb, high-grain, low-fat dieting), but corn syrup is very bad stuff. I urge you to avoid it if you possibly can.

As for what our own biggest personal avoids are, mine are wheat, corn syrup and coffee. The only one I would go back to if I could is coffee, I mean, if it was suddenly discovered to be a health food, especially if you add the transfat-laden, partially-hydrogenated coconut-oil based non-dairy powdered creamer I used to favor. Um um gooooood *lol*. But I can't say I miss it. I'm enjoying all my teas too much and I'm really a tea person at heart. Also, as for what avoid I love the most, that would be potato chips. They aren't as bad for me as wheat, corn syrup and coffee, but I miss them more than all three put together. I only gave them up fairly recently and all I have to show for it so far is weight gain and an ear infection *lol*. Not feeling it *lol*, but going on trust here that things will normal out.

As for why we crave the very foods we are sensitive to, giiiirl, how much time do you have? Basically, it is a similar mechanism to why do alcoholics and drug addicts crave the one substance that is wrecking their lives? Precisely because they ARE sensitive to it and it does a number on them. That was the SHORT version *lol*, but you get the idea.

Finally, as to the comment made above somewhere that this board is da bomb in terms of a place to really learn to think about what we put into our bodies and how to come up with creative and healthy alternatives to a lot of it, ITA!



* Edited to add: I responded to the corn-syrup marinara sauce thaaang/post before reading a later post in the thread by one twin-o-mine, Brighid45, that answered the question. You have to get up pretty early in the morning around here to beat out Brig in answering questions: u go, Brig! I shall just add something, therefore, to give it my own twist (as in, peppermint twist!): my FAVE, FAVE, FAVORISIMO brand of pasta marinara sauce is a terribly, ridiculously expensive one called Raos Italian Marinara. omg, it is perfection. Too bad I don't have a prostate because I'm sure this would keep it in fine fettle, as I'm sure this has more lycopene than one could need in a lifetime, it is so concentrated and delicious! omg, it tastes like someone spent all day simmering it and then added just the PERFECT spices to it. o...m...g.

P.S.  Oh yeah, wait, I can't just leave you with that expensive sugg, as that is not practical for every day (to much $$$).  So, another good brand that is waaay cheaper is the Seeds of Change Organic line of marinara sauces.  Check 'em out (that goes for you and your roomie, too, Brig:  what are you doing eating partially hydrogenated transfats?  Bad Brig!  Do not make me come over there!).


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...Anyway--back to the thread topic, wheat. I never connected my constant anxious state and panic attacks to wheat until I went off it completely a year and a half ago (Oct. 2004). One month later, anxiety and attacks--gone. Then I did something stupid that turned out to be a blessing of sorts. For Thanksgiving I had a teaspoon--one TEASPOON--of bread stuffing. Twelve hours later I had a massive panic attack--shortness of breath/wheezing, rise in bp, trembling, paranoia, the whole works. Wow! That was a huge shock.

I know! That is a very cool thing about the BTD: because it allows you to detox and establish a baseline of good health and a calm, balanced system, if you DO ingest what, for you as an individual, is a "bad" avoid, you now NOTICE your reaction. You now have something to compare it to! I, too, never noticed my myriad plethora of reactions to wheat. Not until the BTD. But now, like you, I am amazed at just how paranoid, overly sensitive, volatile, and basically totally WACK I get upon ingesting a speck of wheat. Maybe not right away, but within about 72 hours, "look out fellas, she's gonna blow!" It is shockingly predictable. In fact, I have a rule, for example, that I'm NOT allowed to post ANYTHING on the net or respond to e-mails for 24 hours after eating wheat (should be at least 72, but come ON, I'm addicted to the net *lol*). Ideally, that general principle should be expanded to that I am not allowed out of the house, or to interact with my fellow humans in any way until at least 72 hours after wheat ingestion.

Actually, I have to thank our own wise-in-many-ways Kimonokat who, years ago, taught me about her "24 hour rule" for responding to people when she gets in any way irked with 'em. Namely, do NOT respond for at least 24 hours. This gives you a chance of calming down. What a GREAT idea! (Too bad I didn't implement it back then!) I have since adopted it, adapted it and thus we now have my 24-hour post-wheat-ingestion No Posting rule *lol*! Like I said, it should really be a "No Leaving the House or Answering the Phone rule".

Ring, ring

Me: WHAT?
Innocent caller: Ah, hello, yes, I'm calling from the Save the Orphans Foundation, and we--
Me: Oh, so you are saying I don't care about orphans? You are calling me in MY home, and making assumptions about MY values, and you have the nerve to attack me over it when you don't even KNOW ME? How DARE you! I care as much about orphans as the next pup, I will tell you that right now, missy, and I don't appreciate you insinuating otherwise!
Innocent caller: (long pause) Well, um, actually, we are calling people tonight to try to raise money to buy the kids shoes and--
Me: Shoes? SHOES! So you buy them shoes and that is supposed to make everything in their sad lives better? What about pants, shirts, braces, textbooks, where does it END? How do you draw the line? Why aren't you focusing on placing them all in loving homes? Instead you are worried about SHOES? I think parents are more important than footwear!
Innocent caller, who turns out to be a Type O BTDer: Let me ask you a question, by any chance are you blood type O?
Me: Blood Type O? BLOOD TYPE O! Yes, I'm bloody blood type O, what of it?
Innocent caller: And by any small, almost-too-infinitesimal-for-me-even-to-bring-up chance, have you eaten any wheat in the past, oh, 48 hours or so?
Me: I don't believe I like where you are going with this! I have not eaten wheat since the last milenium, thank you very much...except for that cheeseburger on a whole-wheat bun I had for lunch today but only because it was all they had and...and...*bursts into tears* I had to EAT, didn't I? *Sobbing, gasping for air* Nobody knows, the trouble I seen!
Innocent caller: All righty, then. Take two Deflects and call me in the morning, the orphans can wait!


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, Brig:  what are you doing eating partially hydrogenated transfats?  Bad Brig!  Do not make me come over there!).


Amen, I almost fell off my chair when I read that!!

Funny you should mention Raos brand PT, I just bought that brand but in the Eggplant variety. I am not impressed at all but I am going to try the marinara sauce that you like so much. I only bought this brand because WF was out of the Isola brand. I have never had any spaghetti sauce that good!!!!  I actually just ordered a whole case at a 5% discount. They've been completely out of it for the past week or so, so I took care of that.   I will actually  probably start using it w/ just plain meat more than as a spaghetti sauce, as I'm trying to get off the grains.
And yes, the Raos brand is WAY expensive. It's more expensive than the Isola. So I was really disappointed, but at the same time, it's a good thing, cause WHAT IF this was WAY better than the Isola. Dang, I just ordered a whole case. Course now, I haven't PAID for it yet, but.................... Kidding, kidding, I am going to get it ,, cause it absolutely rocks!!



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Actually, I have to thank our own Kimono Kat who, years ago, taught me about her "24 hour rule"


OMG!!!! What a trip down memory lane you just brought up!

I'm having my own "96" hours in trying to compose a stern but respectful letter to my doctor.  I know if I went to her in person, or spoke to her on the phone, I'd be off the charts lol!



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OMG!!!! What a trip down memory lane you just brought up!

I'm having my own "96" hours in trying to compose a stern but respectful letter to my doctor. I know if I went to her in person, or spoke to her on the phone, I'd be off the charts lol!


I feel ya on that one, BTD sista.  If I were to compose a letter to nudoc to tell her why she is now ex-nudoc, well...let's just say there aren't enough "24 hour rules" in the world to make a dent in that one!


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Boy do I have a few questions:  Citric acid from corn?  I thought citric meant derived from citrus, as in fruit.

Next question ( and it's about wheat!) - I thought the good thing about Ezeikel bread was that it did NOT have glueten.  Please explain.

And if I may sneak in a tomato question - I thought O's could have tomato's.  I don't know if I am a secretor or a non secretor.  Once I ate like a non- secretor for a month, but I don't remember feeling any different.

Tonight I cooked chicken dredged in rice flour and cooked in olive oil.  You would never know it is not wheat.  Thanks to you guys, I am doing better on avoiding wheat.


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And another comment for discussion, how long does it take most folks to see/feel the affect of wheat on their bodies/minds.


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Sprouted grains do contain gluten, although less than unsprouted.  People with gluten sensitivities need to avoid any gluten containing grain, even if it is sprouted.  

This is not the same thing as lectin.  When Dr. D. tells us that sprouting de-activates the effects of the wheat  lectin, he's not talking about gluten.

If I ate any wheat today, I would be in pain before the day is over.......aching joints, painful gut, negative emotional state, and possibly clogged sinuses.



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lectin?
http://www.dadamo.com/faq/smartfaq.cgi?answer=988813388&id=988808165
-No gluten: amaranth, buckwheat, quinoa, teff,
millet, rice, sorghum, tapioca, soy.
Harmonia Deluxe from NAP is an ABO friendly
source of wheatgrass

http://www.cornallergens.com/list/corn-allergen-list.php

hope this gives you more insight as to where corn is hidden!! )


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how long does it take most folks to see/feel the affect of wheat on their bodies/minds.


depends on each individual and his sensitivity toward wheat, be it celiac, or just allergic response, etc.......
even cases of schizophrenia and other mental illnesses have been related to wheat, also.
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/otd/archives/00000798.htm


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Quoted from meribelle
And another comment for discussion, how long does it take most folks to see/feel the affect of wheat on their bodies/minds.


I've not had any grain in a long time.  Yesterday, for lunch I spied a box of whole grain Spelt Penne in the cupboard, thinking, why waste this?  I can have it with ghee, and my buffalo burgers.

I haven't felt great since I ate it.

Back to grain free for me.  I think I'll give away the other box of VitaSpelt spagetti.



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Spelt is the little brother to "Big Bad Wheat"!

(my apologies to all you spelt fans)



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I must be a nonnie in disguise.  I think I need to sneak into the back door of the nonnie club house.


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Since I jumped on the BTD wagon 5 weeks ago, and with both feet, I'm not 100% sure what wheat was doing to me independent of the other avoids, but I must SAY, it gave me the shivers to read all those symptoms everyone was listing, I have had most of them -at the same time!
Most of that has been subsiding, and yes, the worse avoids are now making themselves easier to spot by causing noticeable reactions, often while I'm still eating!
Corn syrup is the most evil to me, post nasal drip immediately.
I think wheat may be a little more cumulative, but not sure, just sure it's really bad for me.
Note: In a regular grocery store the other day, I found a bunch of tomato sauces that had olive oil instead of corn syrup, and seemed really short on O avoids. I'll have to look again. I think one was Emeril's. I noticed the ingredients varied w/the flavors - well, Duh,- but some had corn syrup, & some didn't. I just know I got wicked sick last time I had spagetti sauce w/corn syrup - never again!!!
One of the things that made my pupils dilate was you guys' mention of emotional & mood & mental effects from wheat OMG!!! Boy, do I relate to that, yet never really thought it could be a cause...
meribelle, I like how you ask a lot of questions - this place is the fastest route to getting the answers! And good going, in your efforts to stay out of the goll-danged wheat!
Gotta run, see yiz laydah


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I have had my own suspicions about being a nonnie even tho my secretor test says otherwise.
If I eat wheat, I can see reaction in 5 min or less. My stomach may start hurting while still eating, depending on how large the meal. Something, don't remember what right now, will make my nose start running while I'm eating. .  I usually get a variety of symptoms, depending on what I ate WITH the offending wheat. Almost always by the next day, I will see puffiness right under the corners of my mouth, making it look like I'm getting jowls. ICK!!!!!!!!!!
My boss is definitely allergic to wheat but always and forever turns a deaf ear anytime I mention it, so I don't anymore. He will be sneezing within the hour. Sometimes 10-15  minutes. Not one sneeze but more like 6-12 sneezes. He has put on a ton of weight, dangerously big around his middle. He now how "psoriasis". Yeah, right, let's try dermatitis herpetiformis. I believe this is also what my granddaughter has and I suspect they may both be celiac.




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Quoted from KimonoKat
I must be a nonnie in disguise.  I think I need to sneak into the back door of the nonnie club house.


You don't have to sneak in, kk.  We nonnies are compassionate humans because we understand how food can make us suffer.  

If you find solace and/or inspiration from anything you hear in our clubhouse, I for one welcome you.  I think the only people who would not be welcome here would be those who insult us by insisting that our diligence is paranoia, and our consistency is obsession.



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I don't know if it's the spelt yesterday (and the left overs this morning), or the two Uni Bars yesterday, back to back, and the two Uni Bars today, back to back, or the previous week where I took a break from all supplements.

Whatever, I'm sure the spelt didn't help.

Don't cry for me Argentina.....   I'm back on the grain free gravy train.



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Grain free is a new concept to me.  Down here in the south we usually have some sort of a "starch" with our meal, like potatoes ( no), pasta ( now) or rice ( yes).  Or at least rice was a yes for me, a try- t0 -be faithful type O.   Now with "grain free" it seems like my plate will be unbalanced!  

I guess it is a great goal, and I can eat brown rice, or even white rice if I feel really wild, if I just HAVE to have a "starch".

My hubby is an A, and he has given up eating for an A.  Now he thinks I am overdoing it because I think certain foods make my nose run, etc.  I am glad you guys are sharing because I see I am not imagining things.

Do you have any suggestions for balancing a meal?  We have lots of rice in south east Texas!

Thank you, for not minding my questions.  Last night I thought that all of you have been around so long, that maybe I was being a nusiance.


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Okay guys, now don't jump on me about using Classico. It's a compromise. My roomie  doesn't like HFS pasta sauces. She had a really bad experience with one years ago and now they are all verboten in our kitchen. Most of the time I will make my own sauce from either fresh or Edenfoods canned tomatoes, hot turkey sausage, garlic, onions and baby bella mushrooms or roasted red peppers.

(A pause in my post here to extol the virtues of Edenfoods. They are a wonderful company. I've been to their plant outside of Clinton Michigan, fantastic place. Their standards are the highest and you can bet the only thing in their tomatoes is a lot of organic goodness and tons of lycopene. If you want canned tomatoes with absolutely no avoids, buy Eden brand. Okay, plug over *lol* I should buy stock in Edenfoods, as much as I praise the company!)

Now and then--as in maybe every other month--I will use a jar of Classico because I'm in a hurry or don't have time to make my own sauce. Infrequent use of a very small amount of partially hydrogenated soybean oil is not going to kill me, especially since everything else I eat is fresh live food 99.8% of the time. It's a C*O*M*P*R*O*M*I*S*E, y'all. Considering I'm finally getting my roomie to consider alternatives to semolina pasta, such as rice pasta or even better, vegetable spaghetti (which we both like far better than grain pasta of any kind), I can live with that.

Anyway, rant over I am searching for another brand without the citric acid and oil in it that Roomie will eat, so far no luck. She doesn't like the crappy supermarket brands with corn syrup in them, thank goodness. No way would I eat anything like Prego or Ragu. I DO have my standards *lol*

Meribelle: because there is such a huge glut of corn on the market, companies have been creating all sorts of additives out of it (such as citric acid and high fructose corn syrup) because it's cheap, cheap, cheap. And the bottom line is always profit margins, no matter what the PR people say to lull you into complacency.

If you want evidence that food manufacturers don't give two shakes about your health, read the label on just about any packaged food on the supermarket shelves. They are loaded with cheap crappy ingredients, additives and preservatives that 1) cost the manufacturer a lot less than good quality stuff and 2) extend the shelf life of the product so that much less of it is lost to spoilage. In effect, you're being offered dead food that won't go bad because it's cost effective for the company, not because it's good for you. Your health comes WAY down on the list, if it's on it at all.

About ezekiel bread: I see it as a sort of transition food for people coming down off wheat. It's better for you than wheat bread, but it's still not great if you're gluten-sensitive. I keep a loaf in the freezer for those days when I absolutely have to have tea and toast for breakfast (with a side of Deflect-O! *lol*) But if gluten is problematic for you you're better off not eating ezekiel bread.

Os can have tomatoes, but it depends on whether you're battling a chronic disease or are in ill health. Then you might want to skip them. Nightshade family (tomatoes, peppers, potatoes) can cause problems with pre-existing inflammatory conditions. I know my joints are always a bit achy the day after I have tomatoes or peppers. I eat them once a week or twice a month, tops.

Try salmon or cod with a rice flour batter too, it's a delicious way to eat fish. Pat the fish dry, dust it with rice flour, dip it in some beaten egg, then in the rice flour again, and fry. The result is pure heaven--light, tender crispy battered fish. Team that up with sweet potato oven fries and you've got a compliant fish n chips recipe. Yummy!


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Okay, I know this is a wheat thread, but talking about wheat alternatives is still talking about not-wheat, right?

How does one make sweet potato oven fries?  

As for potatoes, I just recently learned that tomatoes are also in the nightshade family.  My my, they don't seem similar at all!  Potatoes give me a head ache.  Maybe tomatoes do too and I don't realize it.

Question:  what is HFS food?


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Here are a couple of recent threads that discuss sweet potato fries:
boniatos for french fries
Type O - Food Choices and Strenuous Exercise

HFS = Health Food Store


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Mirabel,
It might not be necessary for you to be completely grain free.  It all depends on your body.  Dr. D recommends low grain intake for type O's;  1 to 6 times a week for secretors, and 0 to 3 times a week for nonnies.  With that in mind, it depends on how you feel with grains, whether you have a problem with your weight, whether your digestion gets irritable or sluggish with them.  I agree with you that rice is probably the least problematic.  Except.....some people are addicted to carbs, and find that they can't eat any, or they will go overboard, and it messes up their glycemic level.

You're on the right track with replacing most of your grains with starchy veggies, such as sweet potatoes (spoken by another southern woman!)  

I'm repeating what a lot of others have said, but, I just felt like talking this morning!  



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I'm not having a problem with grains.  I have about 2 servings per day because I'm doing the ediets program, trying to lose weight.  I have rye bread and rice every day.  I don't have any more than 2 servings and I replace whatever other servings are on my menu with fruit, veggies or meat.  I don't have any awful cravings for more and I don't eat any wheat.  It is possible to have your neutral grains if your system can handle it.  
I am going to get down to 1 serving per day in the next week or so.  It's just a real pain in the butt trying to substitute almost everything on this e-diets program.  Some things on the menu are just blatent avoids.  Ugh.


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How does one make sweet potato oven fries?  



We've never made our fries in the oven, but others have.  We take a bit of ghee or olive oil in a skillet.  Slice up the sweet potato (we like the "white" variety of sweet potato), into bite size lengths/pieces, and fry until cooked.  Drain on paper towels before eating.

Delicious!


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I make sweet potato fries often.  I've tried every way (with only the orange type) and haven't gotten a crispy fry yet.  They taste delish but the texture is mushy if cooked long enough to get them brown.  They burn fast too.  
I tried the double-fry method last night and the very ends of the fries were crispy but they were still mushy in texture and limp for the most part.  
Next to try is the white sweet potato.  It's on my grocery list for today.  


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It's just a real pain in the butt trying to substitute almost everything on this e-diets program. Some things on the menu are just blatent avoids. Ugh.


Yeah!!!! I MISTAKENLY signed up w/ ediets. I quickly found that I too, had to do LOTS of substituting. What is the POINT of using ediets if you are continually having to redo your menu? Aren't THEY supposed to do that FOR YOU? I cancelled it after the obligatory time period and very reluctantly paid those fees as they would not let me out of that bit of it. I would never recommend anyone on BTD to use that program. Some people feel they're okay, I however, have a very sour opinoin of them.

Ohhhh Brig, you have just inspired me as to what to have for din-din tonight. I happen to have both those items ( fish and sweet potatoes) at home. Mmmmmmm..... Sweet potato fries..........ohhhhh good. I don't know what I used to use to make them with all those years ago, but I'd bet it was corn oil. At least they'll be better for me this time around.

meribelle, I am in total agreement w/ Brig45 re: corn, citric acid and HFCS. It is in everything. Like she said, cheap, cheap, cheap. Also, is among the top 2 leading foods causing diabetes. It's a shame the manufacturers and our government cares squat about our health. It's all about politics and them all greasin' each others' palms. Sad..........         If you're really being compliant, you'll need to call the manufacturer each and everytime you see that in a food to see from which it is derived......... fruit or corn.  Most of the time, I've found it comes from corn. Figures! Money talks.




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So glad to have a few posts on this topic again.  I can imagine cutting up a sweet potato and frying it like a white potato.  What would happen if I baked it.  Guess this is not about wheat.  Maybe the thread fairy will make a new thread called "Wheat alternatives".


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Next to try is the white sweet potato.  It's on my grocery list for today.  


Let me know how they come out.  We love our "white" sweet potato fries.  They're the only type of sweet potato that we eat.

Also, get a grater, and make sweet potato hash browns.  Fry in olive oil, for the best taste.


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I actually, after trying several ways, came up with a crispy sweet potato.  I baked it first yesterday and put it in the fridge overnight.  This morning I sliced the baked potato and fried it in canola oil.  It got crispy and was delicious.  This is definitely the best way I've found.  


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Wheat makes me bloat up around the gut and have the most musical flatulence you could imagine!


I had a similar experience this weekend.  Coming off of my strict end of the month week I decided to splurge and have bread pudding at my favorite restaurant.  Last month I had half a serving and was OK, but I ate the whole thing this time.  I went across the mall for a little shopping and had a major gas attack.  I had to find a restroom very quickly.  I've never used Deflect to counteract avoids before, but my stomach was still hurting when I got home, so I took 2 Deflect O.  I do think it helped and bread pudding does not sound so good to me now.  Maybe the way too break yourself of avoids is to have a day of mostly that avoid so that you can experience the full force of the problem.  Sneaking in small bits here and there, you sometimes don't really appreciate how bad they are.  Before our beignet shop closed I could count on a similar rapid attack after having beignets with cafe au lait, a triple whammy of wheat, dairy and coffee.



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Maybe the way too break yourself of avoids is to have a day of mostly that avoid so that you can experience the full force of the problem.

I quoted this from the previous post. ( I don't know how to make the cute box!)  I can attest to the fact that after a few days of sneaking in a little wheat, I felt sluggish and just wanted to sleep.  On top of that, I did not like myself, my husband, etc.    Staying away from that awful feeling is worth saying no to cake.  I don't like me when I eat wheat.

Today I said no to candy also.  Feeling good feels so good.  I know I don't do it "perfect", but I do it so much better than I used to before BTD.  ( I prefer BTE, 'Blood Type Eating'.


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Quoted Text
( I don't know how to make the cute box!)


Quick lesson here.  There are several ways to accomplish this.

1. hit the "quote" button of the post you want to reply to.  That will put the text of the post, in the reply box for you.  From there, you can highlight any text you want to remove, before you make your reply.

2.  From the "reply" link at the bottom of the page or the "quick reply" link.  Either:
a.  click on the Blah Code command that looks like a little cartoon balloon.  It's the eighth icon from the left.  That will put the Blah Code commands into your reply box for you.

b. type in the Blah Code command yourself.  

I'm replacing the [ ] brackets with { } so you can see how it would look:

{quote}  (text of what you want to "quote" here.) {/quote}

Hope that helps meribelle!


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Thanks, Kimonokat, for the lesson.  I will try it, but usually I am in such a rush to get the words out of my head, thru my fingers and out into cyberspace, that I don't take the time to make brackets.

And, while we are talking about sweet potatoes. . . In south Texas we have orange sweet potatoes.  I don't recall ever seeing a white one.  Do Tell.


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Thanks, Kimonokat, for the lesson.  I will try it, but usually I am in such a rush to get the words out of my head, thru my fingers and out into cyberspace, that I don't take the time to make brackets.

And, while we are talking about sweet potatoes. . . In south Texas we have orange sweet potatoes.  I don't recall ever seeing a white one.  Do Tell.


It's a variety of sweet potato that we prefer.  The skins are a very light tanish/brownish color with just a hint of orange in them.  The meat of the potato is a very light, creamy color, with a hint of pale, pale yellow.  I don't know what the variety's real name is.  They have a much lighter flavor, than the deep meatly orange colored ones.



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Isn't food interesting?  Occasionally I will get a sweet potato that is faintly orange and I usually don't think it has a very good flavor.  I will consider it in a different manner next time one falls into my pot!

I like to boil them with some apples and then season the mashed mixture with honey.  It is a good breakfast or a nice side dish for meat.

New thought: I have a friend at work who is one of us, an O, and she has not commited to BTE, but is still interested.  I wonder if anyone has words of encouragement for her.  I think I may start a new thread.  Whatca think?


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Occasionally I will get a sweet potato that is faintly orange and I usually don't think it has a very good flavor.


I don't think I've seen those.  These are very distinct from the deep orange ones.  We've also tried a small sweet potato that has purple meat inside.  We didn't care for them that much.  I forget what they are called.

As far as encouraging your friend, why don't you print out some of the testimonials on the Testimonial forum?


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I have copied a few of the wheat posts and sent them to her.  That is good idea to copy some testimonials, and to tell you the truth, it may be the only way because I seem to have forgotten how to make a new thread.

You know, you cannot explain to a person how good eating correctly makes you feel.  Most folks just think we are crazy, but that is their loss.

And a purple sweet potato?  What next.


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Also, get a grater, and make sweet potato hash browns.  Fry in olive oil, for the best taste.


Speaking of grating s/p, you can grate them and use them in a raw salad. Mix w/ other beneficial veggies. Add some pineapple, a little compliant mayo and wahlah!!! Beneficial salad. I actually have a recipe for this in the recipe base.  Win-Win Veggie Slaw Salad - for all blood types - almost all the way to the bottom of the page.
http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/csvsearch.pl?search=win-win+veggie+slaw+salad

meribelle, KK was just giving you an example, you dont have to make the brackets yourself. When you use the quote button at the right top of the post, it makes the brackets automatically. Hope that helps. Being able to do that makes posting someone else's quote so much easier. Took me a while to realize how to do that.
Your mixture of apples and s/p sounds great!!
As long as your friend is interested, sending the posts on wheat is a great idea. I do that myself to a friend and some family members as well. I have another great challenge ahead, as my mom has just found out she has a cyst on her liver and something going on in her duodenum area. I'm hoping she'll see that need to get back on the BTE.   I really like that terminology. I think I might start using it myself. Sounds better to me than "diet".

I think what some are calling a white s/p is what others are calling a faintly orange one. Probably one and the same. I've seen both and have eaten both, but have never paid attn to whether there is a taste difference. Will have to pay attn to that.  Have never seen a purple s/p tho.



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I do not the term diet. That word impleys something with an end to it. Eating is something I will do until I die, so I like the word "eating" rather than "diet".

Will someone teach me to make a new thread?


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[quote=pkarmeier]

Speaking of grating s/p, you can grate them and use them in a raw salad.



Okay, I tried the quote button.  Let's see if this works.  I just put a new grater on my grocery list right before I read this post.  It is meant to be.


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meribelle, to make a new thread, go here (this is the page where you select in which section you want to start a new thread.)
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?
Now, lets say you want to start a thread re: something that's off topic - like a comment on a tv show.  You would select the  "Little Fishes" section.  Then right above where all the present threads are,  at the right hand side, you'll see the selection for "New Threads".  Hope this helps. This is the actual page from which you would start, but this is for the "Little Fishes" section only:
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=rost,v=post
However, please try to find it thru the directions I posted so that you'll learn your way around. Okay    If you have anymore questions, please ask.

For the quote thingee,   when you use the quote button and then delete the content that you don't  want to repost, be sure not to delete the end [\quote] thingee.  If you look at your post, you see [quote=pkarmeier] but not the end of it - the [\quote] thingee.  Good luck with all the tweaking. You'll get the hang of it soon.

The grater I use for my raw veggie slaw is called the Salad Shooter. It's electric and gets the job done quickly.




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I do not the term diet. That word impleys something with an end to it.

Actually, that is not implied in the word diet, which simply means "way of eating".  Again, all the negative connotations are things that have been ascribed to the word by our own culture over the years.  I like reclaiming the word in all its glorious neutrality and using it because it is the most succinct, elegant way of describing what it describes.  For example, I find it far easier and more succinct to say "diet" than "way of eating" or whatever.  Why use the definition of the word when you can use the word itself?  Then, if others want to ascribe negative connotations to it and share them with you, you can use it as what Dr. D. calls a "teaching moment" to educate them about the BTD specifically and why it is a healthy, sustainable diet, versus whatever anyone's erroneous idea might be of the inherently neutral word "diet" referring only to ones that are unhealthy and unsustainable.

I love reclaiming neutral words that have been assigned negative connotations.  All part of the quiet little revolution I wage against the status quo every day *lol*.


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For the quote thingee, when you use the quote button and then delete the content that you don't want to repost, be sure not to delete the end [\quote] thingee. If you look at your post, you see [quote=pkarmeier] but not the end of it - the [\quote] thingee. Good luck with all the tweaking. You'll get the hang of it soon.



Some how I don't think I have this quote thing yet, and what in the world is a pkarmeier?  But I shall not be detered.  I will continue to try.

As for diet, it still has a negative connotation to me, and I guess that is why I assume it has the same meaning to others.  I have been on diets, and BTD is not a diet, it is a lifestyle.  I love it, even if I am not perfect.


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Wow! there is a box around my words!  Thank you all for your help.  


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meribelle, congratulations!!!  You did it, knew you could.
pkarmeier is my  real first initial and last name.



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For me as a Type 1 diabetic, it causes my blood sugars to SOAR for hours on end, no matter how much insulin I took. 15 grams of Carbs in a wheat products is more like 100 grams....that's the effect wheat has on my blood sugars. Other than that, I don't really notice anything. I stay away from wheat like the plague as high blood sugars cause another set of problems.


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i used to have to take antihistamines every morning or risk getting rhinitis which would escalate into a full-blown flu where i would be sneezing every minute with my eyes watering

i would also wake up in the middle of the night with my ears and throat itching very badly.. this would usually be followed by a runny nose the next morning

but eversince i stopped eating wheat and dairy products, i dun have these problems anymore. HURRAY!

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Wheat makes my muscles and joints ache.
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duchess,
pls let us know your blood type so others can profit from your posts.
get yourself a shield so you won t have to repeat it every time you post.
thanks!


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well I ate a lot of wheatie things over the holidays and now I have heartburn (for several days)
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"Tonight we are having spaghetti, but I will not have pasta. Any suggestions?"

I eat Tinkyada brand brown rice pasta.  It's got great texture & totally curbs my pasta cravings.



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P. Twist serves it over broccoli....if memory serves...
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spaghetti, pasta, ravioli, tagliatelle.......you can have all of that, only when made of compliant grains like the rice pasta you mentioned and other ones out there.

mung bean pasta is also good...there s a Korean sweet potatoe pasta .....


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I like zucchini as an Italian pasta substitute.  If you slice them long-wise into relatively thin slices and sautee them in a little ghee, you can then top them with sauce or layer them like a lasagna.  
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spaguetti squash is also an excellent substitute for pasta!! )


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Since being on D'Adamo's diet almost exclusively, I've discovered that wheat slugs me out completely. I get painful headaches almost immediately, accompanied by a raw nasal lining and general itching all over. Plus, I get puffy.

After a few days, however, I then apparently slough off all the reactive swelling in my body through pretty intense diarrhea and gut pains.  Then I'm fine, until I eat wheat again.

It's been a slow process for me, this coming to powerfully associate just the sight of wheat products with pain and misery, but it's happening, and that's a good thing.  It will eventually lead to total avoidance of wheat products, just as I've had to learn with all dairy.

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have you ever been tested for celiac disease?


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Lola,

What's celiac disease?
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Lola,

What's celiac disease?


(Someone please correct me if I've got this wrong...) It's a recognized medical condition where individuals are intolerant of all grains/foods that contain gluten.


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Lola,

This "celiac disease" basically sounds like the extreme carbohydrate intolerance that goes along with being a non-secretor... which I am.
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From what I understand it doesn't have anything to do with carbs - it's an intolerance to the gluten found in wheat and many other grains

Melissa would have more info on it since she is celaic.  


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Within a half an hour, I get itchy hands, feet & ears or upper back.  If I eat cheat more than once in a matter of days, I start getting cranky.  Same goes for dairy.  Like I'm looking down at myself thinking "What the heck are you so upset about?" and not able to rationalize it.  It's almost always about food.
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Lola,

This "celiac disease" basically sounds like the extreme carbohydrate intolerance that goes along with being a non-secretor... which I am.


It doesn't have anything to do with carbs.  It has to do with gluten.  Gluten isn't in all carbs.

ETA:
And, I disagree with your statement that Type O nonnies have an "extreme intolerance to carbs."  There are carbs that are actually beneficial for nonnies.  Sweet Potatoes  and onions come to mind.  

Now, your system may be overly sensitive to all grains, and that may be something with your own individuality, but I would not categorize all nonnies like that.


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Gluten is a protein not a carb.

Here is The Individualist entry on the subject: Celiac Disease (Sprue), ABO and Secretor Blood Types


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Ronagan does seem to have an idea that a lot of us non-secretors share, that grains in general are not very good for us.  This may be different for A's; . .  and AB's, . .  well, you guys have your own unique universe!  lol!!    But O and B nonnies seem to go really light, or avoid completely, grains.

I agree with KK, vegetable carbs are in a different category, and while nonnies don't handle large amounts of carbs well, we do need vegetable-based carbs in order to be well balanced.



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Enterolab performs a stool test for celiac:
http://www.enterolab.com (stool testing developed by Dr. Fine).


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Enterolab performs a stool test for celiac:
http://www.enterolab.com (stool testing developed by Dr. Fine).


OMG (goodness)!!  This is just the info I need for my g'daughter!! Thanks so much!!



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I believe Melissa gave us that link..... glad it helped!


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Hi everyone.  I am very new to this message sharing. Although I have been following the " Eat Right For Your Blood Type", for about 5 years, I just found this web site.  I hope I am doing this right.  I have  been reading everyone's messages about wheat products and was floored by what everyone was saying.  I was just trying to find out if food could be causing my return status to depression and realized that wheat could very well be the culprit.  For the past couple of months I have not been following my right diet for O's. I have been eating a lot of foods that contain wheat.  Over the past 5 years I have only suffered a return to depression a few times. Now when I think back, my depression always came about when I ate wheat products. I am so very glad I found this web site.  Thank you.  Also my breakfasts are made up of Rice Krispies, banana, soy beverage, and green tea. What I am not sure about is the Rice Krispies. I have checked the ingredience list and have found no mention of wheat. Does anyone know anything about Rice Krispies?  
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There's probably some kind of corn derivative in the Rice Krispies that could be causing you problems.  Also, you would probably do much better with some kind of protein included with your breakfast.  The banana would be fine - but add either an egg or beef along with that or even some almonds would probably be better than the Rice Krispies for you.  

I seldom have time to do meat and veggies for breakfast - but that's what the best breakfast for O's really is - people here always say to think dinner for breakfast and you'll set you day up to go really well.  


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make your own compliant rice krispies, toast puffed natural rice, with a bit of olive oil and compliant sweetener.........the store bought rice krispies are full of junk.


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Ronagon
Wednesday, January 24, 2007, 1:32am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Lola,

Good call... I've noticed that the Rice Crispies are full of corn syrup solids as their sweetener.  I suppose I could use the vegetable glycerin instead.
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you sure could! you can even make your own granola!

here s a recipe:

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Simple, Not Messy Granola
5 cups rolled oats
1/2 cup spelt flour
ground cardamom and/or cloves
1/2 to 2/3 cup maple or rice syrup
1 cup date pieces or other dried fruit
1 cup slivered almonds or pecans
a pinch of salt
1/2 to 2/3 cup ghee
1 tsp vanilla.
Directions 1) Combine rolled oats, slivered almonds or pecans, spelt flour,
and salt. Ground cardamom, cloves can be added too. Stir well. 2) Mix together
: ghee, maple syrup, and vanilla. Whip it up and add to the dry ingredients.
3) Spread thinly on a cookie sheet (no oil required) and bake at 250* until
light brown or desired crispness. Cool and add date pieces. Store in a glass
container in a cool place. Be sure it's in the oven long enough to get good
and dry.

just tweak accordingly.......


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Lola is a honeybee.

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Yesterday after a long drive home we stopped at a good healthy place to eat lunch and I indulged in an English Muffin AND hash browns!

Oh my God!  Within an hour I was fogged in my brain, extremely tired, irritable, bloated, etc., etc., etc. I thought how can eating these avoids just one time  in many weeks cause such a reaction?  

Also last night my thumb joints, where I have pain, flared up HORRIBLY....just aching and aching and aching.

Yesterday afternoon, I jumped on my elliptical to try and move the fogged energy.  Thank God because today after a sauna, I feel I have rid my body of the irritants.  My joints aren't hurting anymore and my brain is back to 'clear!'

The best way to learn is to touch the hot stove!  Wheat and potatoes are hots stoves I just cannot afford to touch anymore...

Too bad... love them both... BUT don't like what they do to me.

Thanks for all these postings on the topic!  They confirm what I went through yesterday!
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Oh yah... I found this GREAT Soy Pasta at Wild Oats!  It's chewy and kind of nutty tasting... GREAT for cold pasta salads  and of course in hot dishes.
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Oh yah... I found this GREAT Soy Pasta at Wild Oats!  It's chewy and kind of nutty tasting... GREAT for cold pasta salads  and of course in hot dishes.


What's the name? I have been enjoying Nutrition Kitchen's soybean pasta for months, but if there is another brand out there, I'd love to hear and compare.


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........................slurp!!!!  (that was for the honey, honey!)   lol


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Funny you should ask about wheat! Even though I have been on this diet for only about 2 weeks, I would never think that I would have such a terrible reaction to wheat! Afterall, I had an allergy test done by a reputable lab that showed no wheat allergy. I even had an endoscopy which showed no cealiac disease. So...if anyone would have a bad reaction to wheat...that would NOT be me, right? Well....this past weekend I just could not resist a piece of freshly baked bread, so I indulged. Holy cow! I thought I was going to end up in the hospital! The back of my throat started itching...not "getting a cold" kind of itching..but an allergic reaction kind of itching! (I know the feeling because I had a B-12 shot once and had a similar experience).

I can't imagine why my body would react so violently to wheat...afterall, I have only been abstaining for a very short period of time and I ate wheat before without problems...however, I am convinced - no more wheat for me.


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yup it's Nutrition Kitchen.  Very good.
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Two years and one month ago I stopped eating wheat and started all the steps towards the elusive compliance regimes. I'll never go back to wheat, corn or potatoes! I think the lower gut thing was the big thing for me and avoiding wheat. Painfull elimination ALL my life. Mystery as to why. Now I know.  On this thread I guess the fibro thing factored in as an impetus at first because that connection intrigued me. And it seemed to work for quite a while until this summer and my lower back has not been doing so well and this week I'm sidelined and really messed up and can not walk or move.  I'll not be eating wheat of course because that angle clearly has validity for many an -O- including me. This week in spite of my best efforts old injuries are reaserting themselves and one of the reasons I've avoided wheat has not saved me from this. I remain a true beliver in the concept this forum is based upon. This whole thing is undeniably huge! I must have another layer of complexity to sort out. I'm tempted to venture that like the typical spinal surgury patient I have had a powerful placebo effect worked upon my condition that has now been refuted. The timing is earily similar to repolrts  I've read of back pain sufferers. Two years.
IEMNLI


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have you looked into any of the health series books yet, for more targeted food choices?


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