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meribelle
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I would love to talk about wheat.  I have never noticed that it constipates me, but I have noticed that when I eat it my nose runs and gets stopped up.  Also when I eat wheat I have no energy.  I guess this is time to confess that I ate lots of cake last night and this morning, and now my nose is stopped up.  I wonder if it "stops up" the other end of me too!!!  

Let's talk about wheat some more.  I would love to hear what other people have to say. Do we have to make a new thread to talk about something else?

meribelle


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In the list of worst foods for type O, the number one is wheat products (especially whole grain wheat or wheat germ).  

If you want exposure to more potential information on this topic, you could start a new thread, entitled Why is wheat bad for O's, or something like that.  I'm sure you will get a lot of your questions answered.



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I split out the last two posts, to start this topic for Meribelle.

Wheat makes me crave more wheat, sugar, and it's difficult to stop.  It's definitely an addictive food for me.

Since I have followed the Arthritis program, I've taken note of MoDon's comments about Rh-'s having a harder time with grains, and have gone the extra step of being completely grain free.  Works best for me.



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My daughter's face (type O) breaks out in acne within hours.....


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I never associated acne with wheat, but even though I am somewhat older than 50, I still have break out problems. I always thought it was chocolate. I am going to watch wheat now.

I find wheat extremely addicting. I just can't seem to stop once I start eating something with wheat and sugar. My husband, who is an A, does not have that problem.

Tonight we are having spaghetti, but I will not have pasta. Any suggestions?

Meribelle


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I cannot tolerate wheat in any amount or form. It's a terrible starch craving trigger for me. It also causes my fibromyalgia to flare up. Joint/muscle pain, inability to concentrate, memory loss, depression and anxiety/panic attacks, mood swings, IBS . . . I try to stay far, far away from it. As my twinnie Peppermint Twist says, 'nothing tastes as good as health feels.'

As for wheat or semolina pasta substitutes, you can use rice pasta (Tinkyada or Pastariso are good brands). Vitaspelt also makes whole grain and white pasta. Personally I love vegetable spaghetti, it's my number one substitute. It's a vegetable, not a grain, and tastes fantastic with sauce. If you don't have any of those at hand at the moment, how about cooking up a little turkey or beef sausage and having the sauce over that? Or beef meatballs? Pretty good without the pasta! Sauce over roasted red or green peppers, sauteed mushrooms and onions is tasty too.

Hope this helps.


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Wheat makes me very tired and makes my joints ache too.  It's just not worth having.  I will have an occasional piece of Ezekiel bread but even that tends to make me feel "heavy" for lack of a better word.
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I also am always tired after I eat wheat products.  I am pleased to say that I passed up the pasta and had yellow squash with my spaghetti sauce.  I had a slice of Ezekiel toast while my husband ate white bread garlic toast.

I know I don't do it right all the time, but having just posted several times about the hazards of wheat for me, helped me to make the right choices this meal time.

I love the way my body feels when I give it the right food.

I notice the avoids have a worse affect than they did before.  Usually it is a stuffy nose that is the first sign of having eaten an "avoid."

I love this way of eating.

meribelle


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I like seaweed flakes with pasta sauce.  

I tried the rice and spelt pastas.  But like others who have posted on this thread, I do better with very little grain.  I tried spaghetti squash, and it is good.  But I have to plan ahead, allowing an hour for the squash to cook.  So often spaghetti sauce is a last minute meal for me.

I buy seaweed flakes at an Asian market.  I put about a tablespoon in warm water and let them fluff up for 5 minutes.  I rinse and drain them, then top them with sauce.  They do not taste like pasta!  They have a bit of a fishy taste.  But the texture is something like pasta, and I like substituting a beneficial for a grain.  


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Hi meribelle,

Ditto to all the physical symptoms people have already listed.  

When I eat wheat, it also makes me feel more paranoid, insecure, and moody than usual.  It is like it changes how my brain works, so that things look more negative and I am more prone to be caught up in negative thinking spirals/depression.  This is even more extreme for me when wheat is combined with sugar (eg: cake).  Some of the stupidest things I have done or said were under these conditions!


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The first thing that happens is that my tear thicken and my eyes feel boggy and buggery.  That lasts for several hours.

I am utterly addicted to wheat and once I start down the wheat road, it might take me a week, a month or a year to get it under control.  Actually, I'm not sure that it is ever under control.  I'm struggling with it as we speak.

Also, it makes me want more and more and more.

It makes me depressed, not only chemically, but emotionally because I have such a hard time controlling it.  I physically get very tired.  I get grouchy.

It makes me gain weight.

All around bad stuff.


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Consuming food that is wheat base always makes my stomach bloated, and i feel
like a pregnant woman carrying wheat in my womb! and ya, wheat makes me
lethargic as well so i'm staying away from it!
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I have not eaten wheat in well over 6 years now. Being gluten intolerant, wheat gave me horrible attacks similar to that of having gall stones. Piercing pains through the middle of my chest clear through to my back. I couldn't sit, lay, and standing without doing some sort of ritual dance was almost impossible. So needless to say, wheat is a definite out in my book. Also, I'm sure this is the cause of being diagnost with fibromyalgia. Since I have been gluten free, most of these problems have subsided. It was more than just wheat, but wheat was the big player.


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Veron, Welcome to the BTD Forums.


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Wheat makes me bloat up around the gut and have the most musical flatulence you could imagine!


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Quoted from Howard
Wheat makes me bloat up around the gut and have the most musical flatulence you could imagine!


Aah!!! Musical flatulence!!! That's the one thing I miss by being on this diet. That after pasta chorus was a true delight. All the family used to sing along
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It sounds like this is the Wheat Not fan club!  It is definitely Not a food that I consider a food anymore!  I quit eating wheat about 4 years ago, and just a few months ago, I realized that I am not going to eat anymore spelt or even sprouted wheat breads either.  They are not as bad as wheat flour, but were still giving me problems.  
As I have cut out these types of grains, I have felt better, and lighter, and more comfortable in my body.  I am sleeping better, and have an easier disposition also.  And my energy is more.  My complexion is better.

With all these benefits, who needs wheat and spelt?

Oh, by the way, Dr. D.'s new post in the Ask Dr. D'Adamo has some words about type O's and wheat.



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http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/4/archives/00000198.htm - Why wheat is bad for Os

http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/4/archives/00000203.htm - a personal experience, beyond a solely celiac reaction (rye and barley just make me run to the bathroom, wheat does ever so much more)

In other words, it does just about everything to me, everything but cause spontaneous human combustion


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I love the new ideas I learn from you guys.  I have never thought of a grain free life.  And surely I have never thought of Seaweed Flakes.  

I welcome, Veron, also.  This is a wonderful place that makes me really think about what I am putting in my body.

Question:  Is Ezkiel bread a sprouted bread?


Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again.  Blessings, meribelle
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Question that is not about wheat, but I want to know:

How does a person add where they live to the site on the left.  I see some of you are from Oregon and Pennsylvania, etc.  I would like to add Texas.

Please tell me how.


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Go to the member center (top right hand corner of your screen) , click on change profile (on left) and type whatever you want in the personal message line at the bottom of the screen.

Wheat - makes me feel bloated and tired, come out in acne, makes my gums sore......
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Wheat makes me feel tired and high, loopy and kind of stupid.  I think wheat is what was giving me eczema.  I don't have it any more after 2 months on ER4YT.  
I do fine with rye bread but I do have tiny slices.  
I made pasta for the family on Saturday night and I skipped the pasta and the garlic bread.  I just had 2 helpings of salad and later on ate some chicken salad on a slice of rye.  I did have a glass of red wine though and had an itchy throat at bedtime.  I had a glass last night too and had the same itchy throat.  I think I have to give up wine too!  WAAAAAA


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I agree with Victoria, wheat is the single worst avoid for most Type O's, "period and the end", as someone I knew used to say when she REALLY meant something *lol*. The lectin is a very bad actor in the O system. Wheat is very highly inflamatory for O's in every way. It isn't just one system of our body that it affects, it is every system. For me, here are some of the top hits on the wheat-symptoms hit parade:

1. Triggers cravings for other carbohydrates/triggers binging.
2. Stops weight loss/starts weight gain.
3. Inflames my nasal passages, which really--given my particular history/sitch do NOT need to be inflamed. Due to the fact that, in me, this area is already a weak/problem area (long story), it can exacerbate the tendency towards nosebleeds. But I'm an extreme/freak case there. For most O's, it would simply inflame the nasal tract.
4. Causes mucous production in the upper-respiratory tract.
5. Cause severe post-nasal drip.
6. Can trigger digestive problems, which though mild to non-existent in my case, can be severe for many other O's I know of.
7. Can and usually does cause a symptom in me that is similar to a BAD case of PMS, brain/mood/behavior-wise. Anytime between the ingestion of wheat and about 72 hours later, I am likely to explode in anger, be very volatile, overreact, be exquisitely sensitive and almost paranoid, burst into tears, behave like I have no "gatekeeper", nothing between the raw emotion and how I act, from LASHING OUT to crying to stamping out of a room to making rash decisions ( see #10 ), you name it.
8. I guess due to the inflamation it causes systemically in me, it can and has caused my back problem to flare up, joints to ache, muscles to go into spasm, etc.
9. Causes depression, feelings of hopelessness, feeling like not only is the glass half empty, the glass is TOTALLY empty and smashed on the floor.
10. Brain fog, poor decision-making. This is related to #6, but separate because it is such a big deal in me. I really shouldn't be allowed out of the house when eating wheat, because I can't seem to trust my decisions or the reasoning (or lack thereof) that got me to the decision. To use extreme, fictitious examples, I'm liable to quit my job, file for divorce (not that I'm married...but that probably wouldn't stop me in my wheat-induced haze *lol*), and run off and join the circus.
11. Causes edema and swelling throughout my body, noticeable in my ankles, for instance.
12. Weakens my immune system which, coupled with the inflamation it causes throughout my bod, makes it far more likely for me to get colds and other illnesses.
13. Speaking of PMS, it worsens that by a landslide. If I ever have eaten wheat AND have PMS, run, do not walk, away from me.
14. Raises my triglycerides and blood pressure. Pre-BTD, my BP was as high as 140/90. Now? It is around 112/64. That is NOT just due to weight loss, as my weight has fluctuated even on the BTD. It is due a lot to the wheat thaaaaang, I think, although it is the total package of the BTD.
15. Causes fatigue, utter lack of energy.
16. Causes dull headaches.

...Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?


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I'd been thinking about this topic this morning before coming to work, so I am so glad that this post is up and I can get my ideas out of my head.

Anyway...  I'd recently gotten into a renewed no-wheat mind set (recently--one week ago) and I'd been wheat free for 6 days.  I was feeling more or less good, also running again, which was nice.  Saturday, I ordered deep fried mozzarella (I think that I can't live without the stuff if I find a place that makes it, but maybe I can live without it...) and a battered halibut filet.  Didn't think it was much wheat, but apparently it was enough.  My head and body have been "off" ever since.  Nothing going quite right (not really wrong, just not right enough to feel good), I've been very cranky toward people, and I've been kinda sad, and I've been feeling a bit bloaty, and I have felt a little like a zombie just going around.  Maybe that is related to the things not going wrong but not right.

I just wish that my responses to wheat were stronger or that I noticed them more so that I would remember for the next time.
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I have made fried Mozzarella like this:
Slice Mozzerella in slices about 1/2 inch thick. Dip in egg wash, then rye crumbs or rice flour.  Or skip egg wash  and crumbs/flour and just place slices on an oiled cookie sheet.  Broil until browned and turn over, broil till browned again.  Remove carefully from cookie sheet and spoon a dollop of marinara sauce on each.  My kids love this too.


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