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Double Latte Frappe Chaka Khan Mocha Choca Ya Ya Da Da Deluxe Wing Ding Shimmy Shimmy Cocoa Bop Balooza Double Decker Whipped Cream Coffee Surprise from Starbucks every single day.  


ROTFLMAO!!

I can't stand the fact that Starbucks can't deal with "small", "medium" and "large".  I go to SB about 4 times per year to have one of their Chi things and I'm the only idiot there trying to figure out how to order a "small".

OK - back to topic



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It's been pretty easy for me to avoid the avoids.  All I have to do is think about that day 12/17 where I couldn't get out of the car without pain, and had to have Mr. KK help me, just to go grocery shopping.  That will stay with me for a long time.

The place where I fall out of high compliance is in the exercise and de-stressing areas.  I can't really equate my 45 minute 2 mile walk (on the flats of Sherman Oaks) five times a week as "strenous" exercise for an O.  I'm just not willing to start climbing the hill sections yet.  Can you say: lazy and procrastinate in the same sentence?



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I finally learned my lesson with potatoes. I used to think that I wasn't even as smart as Pavlov's dog, but then, one day during my Christmas holiday, I ate those home fries (they came with my omelete without my asking for them - normally I ask for a fruit cup instead) and I would say within the hour, my hands and knees were stiff and swollen, and the food triggered the constipation to rear its ugly head. I keep reminding myself of how bad I felt after eating those potatoes every time I want some. Now, I can say I am as smart as Pavlov's dog.  


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Peppermint, it is per week, minus the fact that you don't consume any of the 'deal breakers.'


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Peppermint, it is per week, minus the fact that you don't consume any of the 'deal breakers.'

Wow, interesting, thanks for the clarification, it was very illuminating.  So, they (those in high compliance on the BTD by the study's working definition) aren't consuming up to 4 to 5 "biggies", i.e., major avoids per week.  If they are consuming any avoids at all, it is at most some MINOR (to perhaps medium) ones at a frequency of 0 times to at most 5 times per week.  I can totally agree with that.  The clarification was key, for me, because it all hinges on the majorness or minorness of the avoid, truly.  There truly are avoids and then AVOIDS.  You are saying that one can be at a very high compliance level and still not be GOD/perfect, still be consuming a minor avoid here and/or there, which is basically unavoidable.  Got it, understand it, and agree 100% with it.


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P.S.  Now that I understand the definitions, I would say that my own compliance varies and can be anywhere between #3 (high) and #2 (reasonable adherence).  Good thing I finally gave up potato chips a while back, or I'm guessing that, despite all my best efforts going on concurrently, I'd have been in "deal breaker" status, as potato chips--even "designer" (pure) ones--for an O non are pretty much beyond the pale.  But I now have, finally, jettisoned those.  I'm somewhere in there ranging from #2 to #3, depending on when the surprise inspectors show up at my door.


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One thing that I have found interesting and that I have really upped this year, is getting in the perscribed amount of bennie fruits and veggies and keeping that in the forefront of my brain.  Amazingly, if I really keep focussing in on getting in those portions, compliance becomes much easier because it is a LOT of food to eat AND it is hard to go on a bender when you're trying to get in all the fruits and veggies...


YES!  While I'd avoided A secretor avoids for years, I recently realized we have both  A secretors *and* A non-secretors in my family and gotten more serious about the BTD.  I made a list of the food in each category that's beneficial for both A sec & non and contact (r) papered it to the cover of my shopping list notebook.  It's helped me make good decisions for my entire family.  

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So, for me, compliance is very much about the recommended portions.  It is much easier for me to be non-compliant, when I am not thinking about how much food I have to get in, in terms of fruits and veggies.  That, alone, has upped my compliance tremendously.


This is going to sound very *A* of me, but what can I say?  I'm an A.    In an Excel file I made a chart with the days of the week across the top and recommended portions down the side.  Since the portion is 1 glass of lemon water that's in bold.  Since water recommendation is 2-3 glasses per day I have the first water listed in boldface and the second two waters in normal typeface.  I put weekly servings at the bottom of the page.  Each line is one food type (soya, legumes, etc) repeating horizonally according to frequency recommendations in bold and plain type.

I printed it out in vibrant yellow cardstock and the printer only charged me $1.00 to laminate it with their heaviest material.  I use kitchen magnets to keep it on my refrigerator door and cross out food eaten with a china marker (a.k.a. grease pencil.)  At the beginning of a new week I erase everything with a soft cloth.  It really helps me keep our diet in balance when planning meal planning and grocery shopping.

Since watching relative portions I've noticed a big jump in energy, increased mental clarity, and ability to focus and plan.  

I think most accountants and spreadsheet geeks must be As.  
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Wow, interesting, thanks for the clarification, it was very illuminating.  So, they (those in high compliance on the BTD by the study's working definition) aren't consuming up to 4 to 5 "biggies", i.e., major avoids per week.  If they are consuming any avoids at all, it is at most some MINOR (to perhaps medium) ones at a frequency of 0 times to at most 5 times per week.  I can totally agree with that.  The clarification was key, for me, because it all hinges on the majorness or minorness of the avoid, truly.  There truly are avoids and then AVOIDS.  You are saying that one can be at a very high compliance level and still not be GOD/perfect, still be consuming a minor avoid here and/or there, which is basically unavoidable.  Got it, understand it, and agree 100% with it.


Exactly. You can't be type O eating wheat and honestly say that you are BTD compliant. Now, having said that, remember we are trying (for the purpose of a study) to categorize if someone actually did 'enough' of the diet. Someone else might feel that this is too high of a bar to set, others (especially around here) may say that the bar is set too low.


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w ow, if I tally it up I really eat a lot of grains. beneficial, though. It could be called a bender, when I come home from work and spread almond butter or ghee (I've knocked that off due to cholesterol) on rye cracker....(knockabrot, all rye,) How many of these do I eat? Oh, a few. Then there's brkfst which calls for a pc of rye toast (100%)and dinner often contains rice. This all adds up to a lot more than 6 servings a week......
a fascinating thread, though....great to help us take a reality check.

avoids I eat: vinegar that may be in something....rarely, as I use cider vinegar and my Annies mustard uses it too.....ummm, umm, jalapenos could happen so rarely.

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This is a great discussion, very interesting and great to have Dr. D's input too.  

I don't really worry about % compliance anymore, since I nearly never eat any avoids other than a bit of vinegar in otherwise compliant BBQ sauce.  This past month I have been focussing on increasing my veggie intake, particularly of bennies.  Equipro, you are bang on when you say that once you fill your meals with bennie veggies and fruit, there isn't room for avoids or overdoing things like grains anymore!  I pretty much ignore the portion guidelines - I measure nearly everything in handfuls, except meat, of which I eat whatever the unit is (burger, chicken breast, etc).  The frequencies, though, are very important and harder to nail down.  To stay within my scant grain "allowance" I pretty much have to pretend they don't exist!  I have trouble staying within the nut/seed frequencies, but working on that.

I have always found the "red flags" list in LR4YT useful in identifying those "deal breakers".  I don't have my book with me right now, but these are my own "Big 5" deal breakers:

Wheat
Potatoes
Corn
Dairy (any and all are bad news for me)
Sugar (nonnies only)

I know that wheat and potatoes are both on that "red flag" list, but I'm not sure of the others.  Knowing these red flags (along with my own reactions to avoids!) REALLY helped me get off the potatoes.  RED FLAG!!!  DO NOT EAT!!!  


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w ow, if I tally it up I really eat a lot of grains. beneficial, though. It could be called a bender, when I come home from work and spread almond butter or ghee (I've knocked that off due to cholesterol) on rye cracker....(knockabrot, all rye,) How many of these do I eat? Oh, a few. Then there's brkfst which calls for a pc of rye toast (100%)and dinner often contains rice. This all adds up to a lot more than 6 servings a week......
a fascinating thread, though....great to help us take a reality check.

avoids I eat: vinegar that may be in something....rarely, as I use cider vinegar and my Annies mustard uses it too.....ummm, umm, jalapenos could happen so rarely.


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Exactly. You can't be type O eating wheat and honestly say that you are BTD compliant. Now, having said that, remember we are trying (for the purpose of a study) to categorize if someone actually did 'enough' of the diet. Someone else might feel that this is too high of a bar to set, others (especially around here) may say that the bar is set too low.


Into the mix comes the question of whether I am doing Tier 1 or Tier 2 compliance.
Since yesterday's discussion on another thread (see Sante's blog) I have decided to graduate myself to Tier 1. (Three years on the BTD food and exercise plan at Tier 2 95% compliance) and I have never looked and felt better though the hypothyrodism readings have not altered- still on medication).
So I shall now describe myself as an A1 Secretor, 99% compliant on the Tier 1. Where does that fit into the study?

My graduation treat will be a small homemade pizza with organic tomatoes, peppers (Yay) and mozzarella.
Jenny

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Too me all neutrals are avoids.  I stick to the beneficials and that is where I'm happiest.
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What an interesting thread! The reminder of grain limitations for Os chilled my blood! WA-a-a-aah!
KimonoKat -If I walked as much as you do, I'd be dang proud of myself! I'm DREAMING of getting in 3 walks per week (only 1 so far), then improving from there. Just the fact that I WANT to exercise is a HUGE  improvement over my former condition. I brought a stairclimber thingie when I moved back from New York, and I LOVE it, but it's been in my sister's barn for 7 years, now, and stinks too much of mice, to which I'm very allergic.(aside from that, my pets consider mice a Beneficial!!) PS, KK, peeked @ yer website, faboo, girl, future customer here!
I eat way too much rice stuff, I think, but lately I've noticed I'm not missing grains with a meal if I get enough meat & veg or fruit!
Recalling how SICK I've been til starting BTD fulltime keeps me eating daily, frequent bennies and avoiding wheat, corn and dairy like the plague. And that's just the short list.
Today I will start my Food&Consequences Journal in earnest. One of the things I want to discover is how compliant I'm being. I think I've been extremely compliant except for the exercise....off for a walk, now, kiddies!


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:big wavy smilie guy here!:

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Today I will start my Food&Consequences Journal in earnest.


For a short time, I did a daily story/post on my little crime forum about what I ate, and how I fixed it.  I put links to the different products of Dr. D's that I had with my meals.  I wrote about my meal planning, cooking and eating like a story for others to enjoy.  It really made me be more conscious about being compliant because I enjoyed sharing how I followed the BTD with others.


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byronyvaughn - I LIKE your organizing. I may be an O, but it appeals to me bigtime (Virgo).
Equipro - eating out with your daughter like that is what I consider a Quality Of Life issue, and I think you're doing the right thing, especially being able to opt for a more beneficial version of a meal. It's not like you're going somewhere you CAN'T get anything good.


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Actually, if I may be so bold, I believe (not sure, but believe) I was the first to choose that word, and I posted on the old board as to why I used and liked that word, basically for the reason you just stated!  I didn't like the idea that if you're not doing it PERFECTLY, you're not doing it; you are either on it, or off it!



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I will openly state/re-iterate, I do not avoid vinegar. I haven't found a vinegar free mustard, mayo, or salad dressing I like. And while I make my own dressing on occasion, lemon juice doesn't cut it.


Hey, sorry, this has nothing to do with the rest of the discussion, but if you're a secretor, then apple cider vinegar is neutral eh?
i was pleasantly surprised to see that too, you can't emulsify a dressing properly without vinegar!
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This is a great thread.  There's always room for refining the way we choose to live and eat and exercise, and it's also an ever-changing lifestyle.  In the beginning, it may be enough just to eliminate the avoids, so we don't die young!!

Then we begin to notice that we're living on neutrals, so we start to up the beneficials.
Later we may notice that we're eating no vegetables to speak of, so we make our meals more well-balanced.
Then we look at the frequencies, and  whoa!  Finding out we've way overdone or underdone a particular food group!
Somewhere along the way, we get our secretor status, and everything begins to come into focus.

What fun!  



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The frequency and portions is what I have a problem with though, if I was an O no problemo, but there are so many things I can't eat, and I can't live on fruits and veggies alone, it is a problem for me..........I feel stuck



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Hi Laura,
It great to hear from you!  I hope you are doing well (besides feeling stuck, that is).

As you know, I understand what you are up against.  Sometimes, I feel that if I eat 100% compliant with the frequencies, I would starve to death.  (Or be hungry all the time!)  I've been working on it, really.  And I am making progress.  It's back to those golldarn baby steps, every time.



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Okay, just fell off pedestal. Thud.
I was investigating a funky smell in the fridge tonight when I ended up cleaning it up alot. In the process, found old Ben&Jerry's carton w/1/2 inch in bottom, maybe 1/4 to 1/3 cup total. In the spirit of the cleaning binge, finished off last night's (compliant homemade) banana bread w/the ice cream, and now have a pain in my gut I haven't had since I started BTDing fulltime. Okay, I consider my knuckles rapped! Point taken! Not to mention there will be zits 3-4 days from now! Sheesh.
The good news is the house is 99 & 44/100% avoid-free.


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Boy, you post a new thread and then can't get back to it for 24 hours, and look what happens!

Dr. D and Suzanne, THANKS for the clarifications!  That quote from the "Ask Dr. D" column was what I had been thinking of as "compliance" -- basically, avoiding the Avoids.  And the new study's three categories give me a very usable yardstick.

NOTE:  It sure sounds like the FAQ's need to be modified!  They say that "compliance" means eating 70-100% Beneficials, which, as Suzanne points out, conflicts mightily with the aforementioned clarifications.  The existing FAQ might motivate a few A Virgos but I suspect it's mostly scaring people off.  (Assuming that they've read it, which I, mercifully, had not until last night.)

So, how am I doing?  Not bad, apparently.  I eat Bennies every day (grapefruit, turkey or canned salmon, various veggies, etc.), along with Neutrals.  My regular daily walks have been on hold due to winter weather -- and now that it's finally spring, I have a cold! -- but I'm eager to get back out.

My main source of Avoids is my supplements, many of which are available only in gelatin capsules.  I am gradually cutting back as my health improves.  And there's the once-a-month meeting of our vegetarian group, where every dish in the pitch-in supper (except mine, of course) is cleverly designed to contain at least one Avoid.

So I'd peg myself at a solid Category Two-and-a-Half.

Kristin -- your "current fave bumper sticker:  Carpe mañana" -- love it!



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