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BluesSinger
Sunday, December 1, 2013, 3:58pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Quoted from Lloyd



And to address your comments from another perspective:

No  matter how healthy someone is, excesses of "avoids" will ultimately lead to degradation of the system and reduced health. It's just back to the same thing from a different view. Some people can handle more excesses than others.  



Before they crash into one or more disease processes some of which might be permanent.  I'd rather have been safe than sorry - but I wasn't.  I came  into my compliance late in the game.  I can only stay as true as possible now and hope for continued system cleanup.    
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The guidelines quoted from Dr D were for the express purpose of designing a study.

Individuals taking control of their own health can decide for themselves how compliant they want or need to be. I know that I certainly cannot have avoid foods as often as 4-5 times  a week; 4-5 times a YEAR is more like it, and I know I'll suffer when I do!

My kids, meanwhile, have a lot more wiggle room with their diets, because they started at such young ages, before too much damage could set in. If Hannah wants to have HFCS laden beverages once a week, I'm not going to stop her. I know she's eating well the rest of the time since I prepare her food.

She may well be able to continue that level of compliance her whole life. Meanwhile, I was getting sick from 2 ounces a day of pineapple juice with added vitamin C, since the C was most likely corn-derived.


Ruth, Single Mother to 20 yo  O- Leah , 18 yo O- Hannah, and  13 yo B+ Jack


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Lloyd
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Quoted from ruthiegirl
The guidelines quoted from Dr D were for the express purpose of designing a study.


To take it one step further, the study was theoretically designed to show improvements in health over a pre-specified period of time.

Someone who is starting the diet can look at those proposed guidelines to get an idea of just what the commitment is to expect some kind of return for the effort. Naturally, individual results will vary, but it does suggest that higher levels of compliance result in much faster improvement than lower levels (which may not result in improvement at all).

Once someone is on the diet they should have an idea whether it is working for them and if they may want to adjust their own compliance levels.

However, for someone starting the diet, it is important to know that in general a higher level of compliance will see much faster results.

Don't disregard the information just because its a "study design".

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san j
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Quoted from Lloyd
(1)There will always be some who need higher compliance and some who don't need as much. (2) A basically healthy person might "get away with" little to no compliance for a very long time. (3)Those in excellent health have far less to gain by using the diet.

(4)Saying in any way, shape, or form that someone does not need a level of compliance is no better than saying someone must follow a level of compliance.

Hi, Lloyd.
I agree with (1) - Bingo! - and said as much.
As for (2), the same could be said for someone in less-than-perfect health who doesn't have as strong a tracking/monitoring temperament as someone else. I'm saying that we have to satisfy our own comfort/happiness zone, too.
(3): Of the many millions who've bought Dr. D'Adamo's books, we don't know what percent are in basically good health, but I'd venture to guess it's fairly high. What one calls "basically good", however, might differ, but I didn't see Eat Right 4 Your Type, the huge bestseller, marketed in 1996-97 as a treatment plan for serious illnesses. Many were attracted to it, as was I, precisely to tweak, understand, and maintain excellent health.
(4) I don't understand the statement, let alone know anyone who is saying that.  
People do what they feel comfortable doing. And that's a Good Thing, in my opinion - another Individuality point.
Personal comfort is, in fact, part of health.  
I think Dr. D'Adamo was nodding to that when he wrote (and I quoted him, but you left that out of your quote of me):
Quoted from Dr. D'Adamo
I'm not a big fan of slapping kilometer markers on what constitutes doing the diet.  What works for you constitutes 'doing the diet'.

I agree with him.  


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Quoted from san j

Hi, Lloyd.
I agree with (1) - Bingo! - and said as much.


Good, because that is the point of everything said.

If you don't follow or agree with whatever else was said then we will just have to remain in disagreement.

When Dr. says that whatever works is following the diet (as a crude paraphrase) it also implies that they should be doing enough to make the diet work. One could, by your definition, feel good about having read parts of the book and feel that doing one or two small parts of it is doing the diet, even if it is not working. I know firsthand that that does not work from my own diet experience.

You chose to comment only one part of the text, following is a later quote from this thread which explains that line of thinking better:

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To take it one step further, the study was theoretically designed to show improvements in health over a pre-specified period of time.

Someone who is starting the diet can look at those proposed guidelines to get an idea of just what the commitment is to expect some kind of return for the effort. Naturally, individual results will vary, but it does suggest that higher levels of compliance result in much faster improvement than lower levels (which may not result in improvement at all).

Once someone is on the diet they should have an idea whether it is working for them and if they may want to adjust their own compliance levels.

However, for someone starting the diet, it is important to know that in general a higher level of compliance will see much faster results.




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Not everyone is looking for "results" or, let's say, not everyone agrees what "results" are.
Someone may be seeking a diet that can rid him of lifelong postnasal drip or diverticular symptoms, and the BTD may help him achieve that. That's a result.
Someone looking for a diet that will cure cancer, rabies, a broken arm, or muscular dystrophy may be seeking results he can't achieve. However, the diet may be helping to prevent things he'll never know he won't have.   In which case, again, he cannot cite "results".

The sentence you put in bold type:
"...for someone starting the diet, it is important to know that in general a higher level of compliance will see much faster results" was not chosen by me for the plain reason that it doesn't relate to my point: viz., that some of us started this diet in excellent health and were not looking for "much faster results" when we became supporters of this work. I would venture to guess that most people sit down to a meal without thinking "results".

Lloyd: Perhaps what you're saying is that people on a result-quest via a diet are likely to be more compliance-minded than others, and that certainly stands to reason. Their expectations are exact and high, and their willingness to place this work at the center of their daily consciousness is likewise. On the other hand, folks simply in the market for guidelines and who find Peter D'Adamo's work compelling and interesting and helpful in maintaining good health are less likely to be so.

IMO, among the many millions who use the BTD, there's much greater variance in compliance and the need therefor than there is on the Forum. Periodically I remind the community of that, and it meets with resistance. For my part, I value diversity on this matter and would like visitors to feel free to participate here without necessarily considering themselves candidates for the sort of controlled study Dr. D'Adamo was explaining in the material quoted.


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Quoted from san j

Lloyd: Perhaps what you're saying is that people on a result-quest via a diet are likely to be more compliance-minded than others, and that certainly stands to reason. Their expectations are exact and high, and their willingness to place this work at the center of their daily consciousness is likewise. On the other hand, folks simply in the market for guidelines and who find Peter D'Adamo's work compelling and interesting and helpful in maintaining good health are less likely to be so.


I frankly don't know anyone who changed diet unless they are looking for something (this ignores things like changing a diet to save money, or because Italian food is really cool now, of course).

Whether it is to lose weight, be healthier or solve one or more specific issues there is going to be some accommodation (compliance) from their previous standard. If the general goal is to "eat healthier" (in the market for guidelines) then it's still the same accommodation - but it also means they may choose to be more lax in the accommodation (compliance).

Changing the semantics to make one group somehow be able to do better without trying harder just because they are into it for "compelling or interesting reasons" does not change the fact that they have to make some accommodation to what they previously did. That is a compliance level, which as we know, tends to work better or faster when certain "minimum accommodation levels" are reached.

Beyond that, anyone can do as they please. I think the most important thing is that the diet works best when enough accommodation is made - no matter what the reason for doing the diet. Choosing how much accommodation you actually want to make is a separate issue from how much or what type accommodation it actually takes to achieve a result.

"...for someone starting the diet, it is important to know that in general a higher level of compliance will see much faster results"

You may not have been looking for "much faster results" but you still made accommodations. And if you aren't looking for results it would be silly to not eat something you would like to eat just because the diet says to avoid it, correct?

Repeating myself for the last time - anyone can do what they please.

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One consideration which too often goes unperceived, is that when one starts a journey one chooses to go, one is simply unable see the tremendous benefits that are waiting for him. Ignoring this tempts people to act upon comfort and laziness, and abandon treasures they kind of dream of. The ultimate thing one can rely on is intuition, gut feelings, keeping attentive, keeping an open eye, open ear, open heart.


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Firstly...I'm doing SWAMI.

As my health changes, so do my needs and some foods keep changing from Avoid to Neutral or from Neutral to Beneficial.

My non-compliance comes from forgetting which list I'm currently on, so I am not getting into a sweat, but this threat makes me revisit my SWAMI presto to check on some things  

Might be an idea to keep a list handy...
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Quoted from Dr. D

1. 'Deal Breaker':  this category cannot be used in the study. Examples would be type A's on pork or some other red meat avoid or type O's on wheat. These people cannot be said to be doing the BTD at all; neither in action or spirit.

Yikes! I should think not!



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