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Yes, SINGLE decker sandwich!  I was just thinking that a single decker sandwich sounds like one rice cake with a topping and a double decker sounds like.......two......oh, well, ok.  

Edna, I think that of all the grain carb choices, rice cakes have got to be the very most harmless, and if a person were to have a need to "over" indulge the frequency of a grain carb, this is not a bad choice.
And we can call it 3 x week instead of 1 x week, huh?



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...Edna, I think that of all the grain carb choices, rice cakes have got to be the very most harmless, and if a person were to have a need to "over" indulge the frequency of a grain carb, this is not a bad choice.

Oh, how I fervently wish that were true, but sadly, it turns out that rice cakes are high on the glycemic index.  I was wondering about that, too, and meant to look it up today actually (synchronicity).  Thanks to your post, I just remembered to do so.  Sadly, they are high (78 out of a possible 100), which is considered a high rating, and which causes a rapid rise in blood sugar:

http://www.carbs-information.com/glycemic-index.htm

Whole brown rice, on the other hand, is only a 50 out of 100, considered a "low" rating, and causing a slow rise in blood sugar.

So, ideally, especially for a nonnie, we should be eating WHOLE rice, not the cakes.  

I would probably do this routinely, keeping some cooked rice on hand in Gladware in the freezer at all times, if I had a FUNCTIONAL KITCHEN, but that is another story.  As it is, rice cakes it is, and they are so convenient.  But I'm almost sorry I just looked up the GI rating because I had a feeeeeeeling.  My response to them seems addictive, just like my response to the rye toast, and then the rice toast I have tried before them since giving up CHIPS.

My quandry is, going NO grain is really ideal for me and I know this, but it takes a LOT of discipline and commitment to planning and preparing the ideal balanced daily diet in order to keep oneself satisfied on veggies, fruits, meats, nuts and NOTHING ELSE (oh yeah, beans, forgot about them, and there are a few that I can have and make nice things like compliant hummos).  If I DO the planning and the preparing and DO keep to the IDEAL, then everything is great, I am totally in balance, I'm not craving a thing or feeling deprived, and best of all, the weight comes off.  BUT, again, that would require a more FUNCTIONAL KITCHEN than I have at the present time (don't ask).  The stove, the fridge, the whole lot need to be replaced.  'Nuf said there.  Plus, there are times one feels able to do the ideal and other times one is just lucky to stay compliant and do the best one can, ya know?  I seem to be in a time period that is far closer to that latter end of the spectrum than to the former!

So, I hope I can handle rice cakes without going "coo-coo for Cocoa Puffs", so to speak.  Knowing me, I won't be able to *sigh*.  But if I'm gonna eat too much of something, I figure it is better that it be rice cakes than potato chips!  I mean, are ya with me there, peeps?  The ideal can be elusive, but if we just try and just do the best we can, that is better than subsisting on Jolt Cola and Fiddle Faddle...right?


A girl should get SOME points for TRYING, no?  I hope my scale at home is reading this post (it doesn't read many posts, I find), because it needs to give me a break, now.  I'm off the rye, off the rice bread, come on, don't tell me the lowly little airy rice cake is STILL gonna freeze up my nonnie metabolism!  Do NOT even tell me!  Not until after I enjoy them for a tad longer, anyway *lol*!

BTW, caught a glimpse of something interesting last night on PBS.  Someone was doing one of those looooooooong pledge-a-thon specials about "Ultra Metabolism" (he has a book by the same title) and either another book or one of the pledge gift DVD's or SOMETHING he has is called something like "The Nutrigenomic Diet" or something with "Nutrigenomic" and I thought, wow, Dr. D. was the first one to pioneer "the nutrigenomic diet", truly!!!!  Think about it!  Just wait until ER4YG comes out, that's my view on that one.  But anyway, I think it is interesting that suddenly the word "nutrigenomics" is out there in, if not the mainstream, the cutting edge of what is being written and spoken about in the field of diet and nutrition.  It is a good thing.  The science of human nutrition is FINALLY progressing off a dime!

...and yet, I'm still addicted to rapidly-absorbed CARBS, baby *lol*.  You can lead a horse to kale, but you can't make her choose it all the time!


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Note:  rye is rated 58, a medium, and I'll bet that is a far less "whole grain" rye than the one I love, which I'll bet is slightly lower.  Yet I have a VERY addictive response to that rye.  I think I'll do better with the rice cakes and, even if I still overeat them, at LEAST they are far lower in calories and they have no gluten.

I'm really digging them right now, maaaaaaaahn.  Step away from my rice cakes and no one gets hurt!

btw, did I tell youzzz all that my kitten, Harmony (the little Siamese mix--pistol ALERT!) broke my BLENDER?  So, no chance of me going grain-free until I replace that, as the second I go grain-free, I shift into fruit smoothie mode *lol*.

Harmony is a trip, maaaaaaahn.

Saying "maaaaaahn", a LOT* OUT!

* Do you think that is a function of eating rice cakes again?  Maybe I am being transported back to HFS culture, circa 1979 *lol*!


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P.S.  WHOA!  MAJOR alert!  Disregard everything I just said about the glycemic index of rice cakes, brown rice, rye, etc.  Why?  I have concluded, based on CONCLUSIVE evidence, that this particular linked GI list of foods is WACK, wrong, incorrect, inaccurate, and just generally NOT for real!  Why?  Because I just looked up potato chip, full well expecting it to be "100" (they say that potato chips have a GI rating HIGHER than table sugar, and table sugar is 100, so that in itself seems semi-wack at least, but ANYWAY, I've heard/read from several sources that potato chips are higher on the GI than sugar.  Yet this list says chips are a measley "54" (WHAT?) and have a "slow" effect on blood sugar (VHAT are you sayink to me?)

Witness:  http://www.carbs-information.com/glycemic-index/potato-chips-gi.htm

All I can say is, don't kid a kidder (translation:  don't kid a chip addict).  Chips go directly into your bloodstream, do not pass go, do not collect $200.00!  They are my drug of choice, I should know!  Therefore, I have unilaterally concluded that that entire link is wack!  Unless...maybe what I heard is that potatoes in general are, like, 100 on the GI and thus higher or equal to table sugar, but maybe CHIPS, by virtue of the FAT with them, are somehow bound with the fat and thus a hair slower to get in there and spike the ole' blood sugar?  NO, I'm SURE chips are still UP THERE, not a 54!  In fact, I'm gonna have to look into this entire thing far further and get back to y'all on it at some point.  This is not computing.


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Edna,
I saw the Apprentice.  I did see what that guy was eating.  He's such a caricature that he almost looks like a plant.  When you think of all the people that try to get on the show and that are interviewed, it really makes you wonder how some of these people get picked.

I bought some rice cakes but I never opened the bag.  I find that I'd rather have Finn Crisps.  The are 100% rye, water, salt I think and they are very very thin, much thinner than rye crisps.  A little almond butter or tahini, maybe a little cranberry pepper jam and I'm happy.  They are also great to take to a party when you know there isn't going to be anything there for you to eat.  I take them with Le Chevre Noir goat's milk cheddar....expensive but delicious.
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Okay, looked into it, and I think I was right about the fat-with-it-slowing-the-absorption thing.  Other listings also have chips at about that same number, so it seems the original link was not wack afterall, and the interesting thing is that a nice, whole, pure potato is WAY higher at around 94!  See, I knew that fat rules!  It specifically says a potato with NO fat is 94.  I'll bet if you slathered it with butter, the potato would come way down and beat the potato chip.  But I dunno.  The GI can be a surprising and mysterious animal.

So, potato chips are lower in the GI than rice cakes.  The universe definitely has a sense of humor.


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Edna,
I saw the Apprentice.  I did see what that guy was eating.  He's such a caricature that he almost looks like a plant.  When you think of all the people that try to get on the show and that are interviewed, it really makes you wonder how some of these people get picked.

I think some of the candidates must look better on paper than they do once they are actually put to task.  Also, they just might, as you allude to, pick one or two that, based on their screen tests/audition tapes/whatever, they feel will just spark ratings by being total characters, for better or worse.
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...I find that I'd rather have Finn Crisps...I take them with Le Chevre Noir goat's milk cheddar....expensive but delicious.  Jane

Ummmmmm.  Nons can't have goat cheese, though.  Boo HOO.  Sometimes I do "cheat" with dairy, though.  Never milk, but soooometimes a little spinach-artichoke dip from the HFS deli case sneaks into my cart somehow!  Hey, it's got spinach and artichoke in there...mitigating factors, me thinks!

I really do love the French Meadows Rye w/Flaxseed and the irony is that it is about as healthy of a grain product as one can get, as it is REALLY "whole grain" and has a lot of fiber.  But for some reason, boy howdy, I do have an addictive response to it and just WILL overeat it.  Again, at least with the rice cakes, if you have one or a few too many, at LEAST they are low-cal and no-gluten.  I don't think anyone ever porked out, weight-wise, on rice cakes, but I'm sure I could be the first.  I know I porked out on Weight Watcher's "Fat-n-Fiber" plan ( don't go there/don't get me started), and that was basically popcorn, pasta and rice-cake-related **!  But I think the pasta did it.  Pasta is evil!  Fear it, O nons.



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The French Meadows is a bread.  The Finn Crisps are paper thin, thinner than melba toast but sort of similar.  I can eat a few at a time and not get too carb crazy.
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The French Meadows is a bread.  The Finn Crisps are paper thin, thinner than melba toast but sort of similar.  I can eat a few at a time and not get too carb crazy.
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Oh, I thought the Finn Crisps were like a melba toast, not thinner than that.  Hmmm.  I knew they weren't a bread, though, I'm that much up to speed *lol*.

You are a secretor, honey, you lot can do a lot of things without going carb crazy that us nons can't do, dat's why you can have sugar and all.  Not really fair, when you think about it.  But as my mom always says to me, "Who ever told you life was fair, Edna?".  And there are a LOT worse things to have than a verdict of non-secretor.  Think of the avocados!


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Close your lips around the edge of the rice cake when you take a bite of it, and the crumbs fall into your mouth instead of the shag carpet!  


Apparently this does not work for the unsalted variety!  That's exactly the way I eat them, and the crumbs fall off the other edge of the rice cake.


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... did anyone catch The Apprentice* and that sandwich that the one guy fixed himself to eat?  omg, it had to be easily a foot tall ...


Don't they run the "Blondie" comic strip anymore?  This sounds exactly like one of Dagwood's sandwiches.



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Okay. time for me to let you all in on the secret of the 'perfect' rice cake sandwich.

Ingredients:

Rice Cakes (3, to build like a 'Big Mac')
Ghee (1 Tbls)
Parsley (1/2 oz fresh, chopped)
Onion (1/4 small sweet onion, sliced thin)
Sea Salt (to taste)
Beef (tenderloin, rare, cool, thin sliced)

Preperation:

Eat beef until satiated. Give other ingredients to a vegetarian, they need something to spice up their eating.

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the thread should be changed to:
Rediscovering the lowly highly (GI) rice cake... instead!!! 


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Excellent, Lloyd Too much. Love it!!

That mile-high sandwich, when I heard of it, well, the 1st thing I thought of, too, was Dagwood.

PT, you have my sympathies over your rice cake GI dilemma. What can I say, it's a sad day on ANY planet when somebody can't eat as many rice cakes as they d*** well please! If it was up to me, I'd say you can have 2 bags per week. There.

What's all this about "Nutritional Yeast"?.. .sounds gross to those of us innocent of its joys. Since I'll try anything, I'll look in typebase to see if I can have it.

Oh, guys, NEWS! Just had dinner at the Mom & Dad Cafe, Car Rental & Loan Center, and my mom HAS heard of Lundberg's or seen them, so I know they're not far. Tomorrow I seek the mighty L.
I also gave her a speech(btw, M & D are both Os) on how I've improved over the last month (and BF), and gave her a list of the worst avoids for us - she asked for a list, isn't that nice? BF eats at least 2 helpings of whatever she makes, no matter how health-food-experimental , so she loves to feed him. She also thinks I'm crazy (no corn? no wheat? no potatoes? what are you going to do for St Patrick's day?   Cheat, of course, Mom!), so I've left another bag of avoids at their house.
I also told her I'm going to start bringing over compliant dishes for them to try. Suzy cooking? It is to laugh. Pull the other one, they're thinking. THEY'LL SEE!!!
Rock on, Rice Cake Army!


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...What's all this about "Nutritional Yeast"?.. .sounds gross to those of us innocent of its joys. Since I'll try anything, I'll look in typebase to see if I can have it...

Ah, this is the reason I wanted the following thread made sticky, as this question comes up periodically, so now all one has to do instead of repeating all the info is refer the questioner here:  http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=GC,m=1118646096.

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Oh, how I fervently wish that were true, but sadly, it turns out that rice cakes are high on the glycemic index.  I was wondering about that, too, and meant to look it up today actually (synchronicity).  Thanks to your post, I just remembered to do so.  Sadly, they are high (78 out of a possible 100), which is considered a high rating, and which causes a rapid rise in blood sugar: . . .

. . . Whole brown rice, on the other hand, is only a 50 out of 100, considered a "low" rating, and causing a slow rise in blood sugar.

So, ideally, especially for a nonnie, we should be eating WHOLE rice, not the cakes.  


Here's what my mind is doing with this, Edna.  I am wondering WHICH rice cakes the testers used.  There are rice cakes and there are RICE CAKES.  My friend was over last night and told me that she is now eating rice cakes.  Turns out, she is eating Quaker brand.  I have no idea how much food value is in them, or if they use brown rice or milled rice.  Does anyone know?
Lundberg uses whole grain brown rice, and explains how much more grain is actually in their rice cakes, compared to others.
The test may not be universally applicable to all rice cakes.



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Apparently this does not work for the unsalted variety!  That's exactly the way I eat them, and the crumbs fall off the other edge of the rice cake.



I have a solution for you, Carol.  I'm pullin' out the big guns, here!  

Open mouth.
Insert entire rice cake.
Plug nostrils and ears so that crumbs do not fall out.
Then, give it your best shot!




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I'm wondering if you could crumble a rice cake or two and then cook up a molasses syrup that would kind of taste like cracker jacks if you pour it over the crumbled rice cakes and add nuts.  You think?


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I'm wondering if you could crumble a rice cake or two and then cook up a molasses syrup that would kind of taste like cracker jacks if you pour it over the crumbled rice cakes and add nuts.  You think?


Maybe toast the rice cakes first, so they are nicely crispy to start with.  I think this sounds delicious.  The challenge will be to keep them from getting soggy under the molasses.



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