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carolannmaybe
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Well - one day I felt a bit waterlogged and decided to go back on the old coffee and soon was having three or four large mugs a day plus some decaffinated ones too - I had decided I needed a "lift" was I wrong I was ill since Christmas - a real heavy cold and gradually I realised the coffe was poisoning me as when I made a cup and smelled it I felt sick - our bodies are really great if we just listen dont you think? Been coffee free again now for three days - anyone else have the same symptons?

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Wellllll.....
I would say about a hundred of us on this Forum know exactly what you are talking about!  

What a sly fox coffee is!  That aroma, that color, that rich taste, and that buzzz.  Ohhh, and that poison!!

Yeah, it's my drug of choice for sure, I've quit it many times.  This last time, I may be done with it.  It's been a year since a cup (before that cup it was 6 months) and I got so ill, for days on end.  It completely threw my body out of balance, and I had body aches and pains like I had the flu, and my tonsils were swollen and I had a headache, then I was depressed.  Need I go on?
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Quoted from carolannmaybe
Well - one day I felt a bit waterlogged and decided to go back on the old coffee and soon was having three or four large mugs a day plus some decaffinated ones too - I had decided I needed a "lift" was I wrong I was ill since Christmas - a real heavy cold and gradually I realised the coffe was poisoning me as when I made a cup and smelled it I felt sick - our bodies are really great if we just listen dont you think? Been coffee free again now for three days - anyone else have the same symptons?

Yo, what you describe with coffee is similar to what I am finally snapping myself out of regarding potato chips:  how I convinced myself that I could handle a few (or more than a few) potato chips and then it gradually got outta hand.  You are right that are bodies are great if we listen.  Mine has been telling me every way it can to cease and desist from inundating it with my fave asanine avoid.  It has put on weight, mainly, but also I'm not as fit as I was.  'Course, that could be because, simultaneous to all this, my exercising has gone waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down.  It seems when we start down the slippery slope of sort of not taking care of ourselves or being downright self-destructive in one little, bitty way, it can have a snowball effect, just as when we start doing one or two things positive to take care of ourselves, that can have a positive snowball effect and start doing more and more good things.  ANYWAY, coffee is extremely addictive and you are well off the stuff!  Try my Hojicha roasted green tea that I'm always on about.  It isn't coffee, but it is a satisfying substitute somehow.

One note:  you may feel worse before you feel better, as you detox from coffee.  And one interesting thing is that coffee depletes the body of vitamin C, which I'm sure didn't help your body when it came to attempting to fight off the cold it (you) came down with.  You might try eating some foods that are high in C right now, such as limes or lemons, or even taking a vitamin C supplement for a week or so.  Also, do drink some kind of green tea, or else your withdrawal symptoms from the caffeine in coffee might just be too difficult (headaches, etc.) and you will be too tempted to go back to the java.  Good luck, Carolann.  I'll police you on the coffee if you will police me on the chips.  I think I need to be placed under 24-hour guard.  So far, so good, though.  So far, so good.



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Every January I tell myself I am going to quit coffee.  I can do green tea instead....but my hubby
loves the stuff.  It is so hard for me, or I guess I am just not devoted enough.  I have yet to
make it through an actual coffee detox.  I do get awful headaches/migraines when I stop drinking
it.  How long do these last for others, and what do you use to keep them manageable?  Thanks!
ps.  Those little pics on the bottom of your post are so cute Peppemint Twist!
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I have yet to make it through an actual coffee detox.  I do get awful headaches/migraines when I stop drinking it.  How long do these last for others, and what do you use to keep them manageable?  Thanks!

Hi, Paulam.  If you get headaches when you stop drinking coffee, you are definitely experiencing withdrawal from it, which means you are addicted to it, which means that experiencing the withdrawal, contrary to how it feels, is a GOOD thing, but there are ways to minimize it so it won't be such a bear.  When I did it, it was a bear, but that was before I knew about...well, before I knew just about anything, nutrition-wise, but anyway, now I do know a thing or two, and with coffee, the withdrawal is caused by cutting off the caffeine supply too suddenly/drastically.  I would suggest that you switch to green tea, and I know it sounds like I'm on these pups' payroll because I keep posting about this, but that's because there are a lot of people who ask about coffee substitutes *lol*, so here I go again:  the following is a very robust, rich, complex green tea that I think is that way because it is roasted.  It satisfies my "coffee tooth".  More relevant to you is that I think it contains enough caffeine to ease your withdrawal headaches, yet not enough to feed the addiction, especially since tea contains the wonderful ingredient thionine that I never spell right (maybe I did this time, but I think it is theonine, which always seems wrong to me, yet never is *lol*) that counteracts the negative effects of the caffeine.  The brand and specific variety of tea I like is:  Haiku 100% Organic Japanese Hojicha Roasted Green Tea.  Comes in a red box, as opposed to their (Haiku's) other few varieties, which are in other colors.  Drink this instead of coffee and hopefully the withdrawal won't be as acute (although you still might experience it a little).




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You can wean off of coffee slowly by having less and less each day to minimize the withdraw symptoms.  
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Wow, that ought to do it, huh?  Scarey story Lola.....thanks PT, will try the Haiku brand today....
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Wow, that ought to do it, huh?  Scarey story Lola.....thanks PT, will try the Haiku brand today....

Let 'er steep for a good few minutes to really get the rich, strong flavor.  I personally also love combining it with Celestial Seasonings 100% peppermint for a really delicious flavor that I was thinking yesterday, as I sipped a particularly strong cuppa same, tastes sort of like a melted "Ande's Mint"!  mmmmmmm!





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OH Carolann.. I'm right there with  you.. coffee is my BIG problem.  I, too.. have quit.. and started back.. and quit.. it always starts with an innocent.. "oh I 'll just have some this one morning".... and then  I  get in trouble.

Actually, I've  been better than worse as of late.. but today I had some... instead of feeling that good feeling, I felt very "fluish"... like I  was coming down with something... muscles ached.. couldn't concentrate.. felt blue.. it was enough to tell me I just can't keep doing this to myself.  

I've been telling myself I'm going to order that roasted green tea...!!! I'm going to do it tomorrow!! I won't put anything in  it, though..  it's the sugar and  milk / soy I  love too.. but  anyway, you are NOT alone on the coffee thing.. it's my only downfall on this whole diet.. I can follow everything else but this one thing.. but.. now  I feel so bad  when I have it it's not even fun anymore...  
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coffee depletes the body of vitamin C, which I'm sure didn't help your body when it came to attempting to fight off the cold it (you) came down with.  You might try eating some foods that are high in C right now, such as limes or lemons, or even taking a vitamin C supplement for a week or so.


PT, THIS totally explains what happened w/ me.  I, like many here, let one cup of coffee, Starbuck's White Mocha, no less, sneak back into my diet. Then another and another and another, til I couldn't stop. What an idiot, and I don't use that word lightly, I was for doing so. As my adrenals are already weak and coffee just makes THAT problem worse, I was really asking for it. Now knowing that coffee robs/depletes your body of Vit C, that explains why I was craving grapefruit juice so strongly a couple of weeks before I got sick, as grapefruit juice is loaded w/ Vit C.  I've been sick 2-1/2 wks, finally went to the dr today. He says I have bronchitis, tho I don't have the yellow/green icky symptoms. My production is all clear. I do however have wheezing and rattling in my chest that has gone on for 2 wks, so now I'm on breathing treatments for a while, plus I got 2 shots in the rump. One antibiotic and one steroid and OUCH, did that one hurt!!!  Plus had to get the old reliable Ex-Lax to get things moving as the antibiotics have my intestines all in a knot, despite the fact I've been taking Polyflora and Acidophillus. Was it worth it? Just for coffee?? Well, as sheri puts it   "now that I'm feeling so bad, it 's not even fun to have anymore"........ so enough of the coffee already!! I'm only hoping I can remember for a very long time just how truly cr**py I'm feeling right now.




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Quoted from paulam
....  I do get awful headaches/migraines when I stop drinking
it.  How long do these last for others, and what do you use to keep them manageable?  


Hello Latte Lovers,

Here’s what worked for me, in giving up coffee.  First get serious esophagus damage and then as an extra incentive I was injured in an accident and developed painful acid reflux from a hiatal hernia.  So by being in a lot of pain, I hardly noticed the two days of head aches when I stopped coffee cold turkey.

I’ll apologize if that testimonial seems harsh or scary.  But I’d like to make the point that coffee can really injure you eventually, if you are an O.

Previously I’ve mused that coffee is really the devil.  It’s that seductive for me.  I wonder if this will sound pathetic, but I actually went into Starbucks, ordered a huge cup of joe and I took it to a comfy chair where I simply breathed in the aroma.  Talk about missing my addiction.  Then I got myself a far less satisfying cup of herbal tea, which I drank.

On the positive side, I have noticed that  I’m  more “centered” without the caffeine/coffee.  Even while I still tend to worry about possible cancer risks, etc..  I think exercise helps my peace of mind / mood,  too.  

Years ago I came up with a personal rule which is supposed to be part of my philosophy, yet somehow I didn’t follow through when I knew coffee didn’t really seem good for me.  That  rule / concept is: Discipline is inevitable.

Well in the past I didn’t use discipline about my coffee vice, and now my discipline choices are no longer internal will, but forced or external discipline.  So you can take charge now, or be forced into it later by health problems.

So I hope everyone’s 13th step with this coffee habit, can be to substitute something more positive and healthy, and in the long run more rewarding than coffee.

P.S. lol, once I invented a drink at starbucks which I named the 13th. step, but that was supposed to be for people who’d had to much alcohol the previous night.  ... well it was funny at the time.  Best to you all, type_o
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My granddaughter and her friend made me some Sushi today and I ate it tonight and it was delicious. Just felt like a cup of coffee after it too.
Coffee to me is like  quality cigar smoke wafting by from a distance.
As long as I maintain the distance, everything is fine.
I made the cup of coffee and drank it, now I feel rotten. Will I ever learn!
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I made the cup of coffee and drank it, now I feel rotten. Will I ever learn!


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ok.. it's my morning ritual.. I'm sitting here at the computer.. now drinking my hot tea... today it's red tea... totally naked... you know.. I DO love hot tea with sugar and soy milk almost as much as coffee... but I think that the sugar is NOT good, either.. so..

One thing I'm working on is some arthritis in my knees.. coffee totally irritates that.. but I think the sugar is on the "neutral, infrequent" list for O arthritis BTD.  So I better just have it naked.. any thoughts on this?

P. S.   The coffee is calling my name in there.. good thing I read this post.. !!
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I tried to quit coffee and caffeine cold turkey b/c of breast lumps back in grad school....I was fine when I could take a 2-hour nap every day over the weekend, but I had a screamer of a headache for 3 days in the middle of the afternoon.  So I said "forget it" then, and kept on with the coffee.

Before the BTD came into my life, I was travelling in Ireland (before coffee started to seep into everyday drinking for more people there), and after the 2nd cup of instant coffee I was served at a B&B, I switched to black tea.  Lots of it.  Easy transition off of coffee.

When it came to the BTD, remembering that experience in Ireland, I just switched to MORE green tea at first, to prevent the caffeine withdrawal, and then gradually tapered.  And yes, there are lots of types that are satisfying.  I find that the ritual itself is quite satisfying in the afternoon--green or another, neutral tea--and helps me with my tendency to "graze" in the kitchen.  (I am not a cow!  I am a panther!  Must not graze! Must not graze!   )

I had a relapse to coffee, really out of laziness (hubby brews a pot in the morning, asks if I want some, I sleepily say "sure" rather than fixing my pot of tea), but like type_O, there's nothing like a few days in the hospital to reset one's clock, so to speak!

Do others have the same reaction to black tea as they do to coffee?  I actually am finding that harder to give up, just because I like the variety.....for me, it's more of a gastric irritant....Also, I hang out in coffee shops a lot, and they often run out of or don't have green tea.  (I like the smell of coffee, and find having tea at a coffee shop satifies the need! )


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 (I like the smell of coffee, and find having tea at a coffee shop satifies the need! )



Wow, wish I had your determination and resistance. If I went to Starbucks, I'd be drinking coffee. Without a doubt. I'm just trying to avoid the place.  



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I wish it were determination and resistance.  It's just that I like the smell best.  Now, the determination and resistance is trying to avoid the honey (since of course they don't have glycerin or agave for sweeteners)....


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Now, the determination and resistance is trying to avoid the honey (since of course they don't have glycerin or agave for sweeteners)....


Bring your own. I have a small bottle of vegetable glycerin for outings.



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Ya know, caffeine sucks calcium out of your bones.  I am 36 years old with the bones of a 70 year old woman.    Why?  low calcium intake and high caffeine intake.  I suspect I am not the only O with this problem... especially with so many coffee lovers out there.   I urge you to wean yourself off caffeine, not just coffee.


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And one interesting thing is that coffee depletes the body of vitamin C


Is this true for blood type A's, as coffee is beneficial for them.
Great link here for the perils of coffee. Must bookmark this site  
http://www.teeccino.com/ArticleDetails.aspx?ArticleID=1



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this is not meant for As.....
they don t take BTD individuality and genetics into account! )


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I'm glad I read this because I'm so wanting some coffee right now.  I have a headache and always when I have headaches I seem to want coffee to try and combat the headache - not a good plan.  Last week I had some coffee one morning after a night of a few drinks and eating avoids with friends and co-workers and I felt awful all day - really jittery and it tore up my stomach something awful - I must remember what that felt like.  

Any good O remidies for headaches though?


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avoid all there is in your avoid list!!)
worked for me!


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Water water water!  I forget to hydrate enough.  Hydrating and avoiding avoids really helps.  And then aspirin.

Npgillis:  yeah, the calcium thing is a problem, and of course caffeine is a drug, too.  But my calcium tests show mine is hunky dorey, so I think it's really variable.  I hear body type has a lot to do with it: thin gals are more often osteoporotic.  Not my problem!


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Ya know, caffeine sucks calcium out of your bones.  I am 36 years old with the bones of a 70 year old woman.    Why?  low calcium intake and high caffeine intake.  I suspect I am not the only O with this problem... especially with so many coffee lovers out there.   I urge you to wean yourself off caffeine, not just coffee.


I had a bone density scan today and was surprised at the results.  I eat lots of cheese so I thought I had plenty of calcium.  Plus I exercise regularly which increases bone density.  But for years I was a Pepsi-aholic.  I weaned myself off of Pepsi by substituting it with Water Joe (caffeinated water).  I guess years of caffeine and smoking outweighed cheese and exercise.   I am on day 20 of stopping smoking.   Now I need to slowly wean myself off the Nicorette gum and Water Joe.  I’ll try drinking more green tea and spring water.  


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These are some great testimonials!  I relate to several of your sharings!!

Type O said, "Discipline is inevitable."  
I have had the same experience with all my "addictions", because whether it was ice cream, coffee or hot chocolate, or....whatever..., I never stopped eating anything I was attached to until it turned on me and I was forced by misery to stop whatever it was!

Paulam said:  "It is so hard for me, or I guess I am just not devoted enough."
My experience is, You Just Haven't Gotten Sick Enough From It Yet.  Devotion never broke an addiction for me.  Like I said in the above paragraph, when a food finally made me miserable enough, I was able to stop it.  Until that happened, it was a yo-yo.

Sheri said:  "I've been telling myself I'm going to order that roasted green tea...!!! I'm going to do it tomorrow!! I won't put anything in  it, though..  it's the sugar and  milk / soy I  love too.. "
As long as I was using cream and sugar (or honey), I kept going back to the Latte's again and again.  I never liked black coffee.  When I finally learned to love Genmaicha (green tea with brown rice), only then did I stop craving the coffee.  

When I drank black tea with 1/2 and 1/2 and honey, it was the same addictive loop, as
Plhartless said:
"Do others have the same reaction to black tea as they do to coffee?"

Mhameline said:
" I have a headache and always when I have headaches I seem to want coffee"
Isn't it peculiar that the very thing which coffee SEEMS to cure is the very thing it causes when we stop using it.  Isn't that SO like the drug that it is??


I could go on and on.  I'll stop here 'cause I relate to everybody's struggle!  hugs and kisses to us all!!
Thanks to everyone for your sharings.

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I have been off of coffee for 3 days. I run, literally, to Starbucks every morning (for years), grab my venti and power walk home. 2 raw sugars, 2 splendas, splash of cream and cool it off with non-fat. It took me all day to drink that one large coffee. It didn't even give me my 2nd wind anymore. Are all of you black coffee drinkers??  It's the milk that was killing me! I am dairy free and don't want coffee anymore. Besides, you can steep the green tea for an extra long time and suck it down at room temp. if you only need a quick fix. My best advice is if you're going cold turkey and get a headache, take white willow bark. It's what asprin was originally derived from, but it won't cause your stomach to bleed. Good anti-inflamatory as well.
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Hello Latte Lovers,

Here’s what worked for me, in giving up coffee.  First get serious esophagus damage and then as an extra incentive I was injured in an accident and developed painful acid reflux from a hiatal hernia.  So by being in a lot of pain, I hardly noticed the two days of head aches when I stopped coffee cold turkey.

I’ll apologize if that testimonial seems harsh or scary.  But I’d like to make the point that coffee can really injure you eventually, if you are an O.

Previously I’ve mused that coffee is really the devil.  It’s that seductive for me.  I wonder if this will sound pathetic, but I actually went into Starbucks, ordered a huge cup of joe and I took it to a comfy chair where I simply breathed in the aroma.  Talk about missing my addiction.  Then I got myself a far less satisfying cup of herbal tea, which I drank.

On the positive side, I have noticed that  I’m  more “centered” without the caffeine/coffee.  Even while I still tend to worry about possible cancer risks, etc..  I think exercise helps my peace of mind / mood,  too.  

Years ago I came up with a personal rule which is supposed to be part of my philosophy, yet somehow I didn’t follow through when I knew coffee didn’t really seem good for me.  That  rule / concept is: Discipline is inevitable.

Well in the past I didn’t use discipline about my coffee vice, and now my discipline choices are no longer internal will, but forced or external discipline.  So you can take charge now, or be forced into it later by health problems.

So I hope everyone’s 13th step with this coffee habit, can be to substitute something more positive and healthy, and in the long run more rewarding than coffee.

P.S. lol, once I invented a drink at starbucks which I named the 13th. step, but that was supposed to be for people who’d had to much alcohol the previous night.  ... well it was funny at the time.  Best to you all, type_o



I TOTALLY get where you are coming from with this.  I adore the aroma of coffee and it was so sad to have to give it up.  First, I gave it up entirely for one year (went cold turkey).  Then once I'd clearly beaten my coffee addiction, I decided to treat myself to the occasional cup (like once or twice a month).  What happened was the addiction crept in again.  I wound up drinking two, occasionally three, double espressos a day.  I had awful stomach pains, anxiety, I looked like the Walking Dead, nasty black circles under my eyes, pale skin, horrible insomnia, kidney pain.  I had to give the stuff up.  And now I will never go back.  As much as I adore coffee, the nasty side effects it gives me are just not worth it.  


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I have been giving coffee up for the last year or so ,i.e. give it up, have headaches for a day and drink lots of green tea..... and starting again after a few weeks or even days.

What makes me go back every time is not the aroma or the habitual cup with the Sunday paper but the really spaced out feeling I have in my head.  Coffee seems to focus the mind for me.  At the moment I have one cup in the morning when I get into work and that's it.  Green tea or herbal tea for the rest of the day or water.  

I just don't know how else to focus the mind.  It does not appear to just affect the way I approach work but also the way I move cause I seem to be somewhat uncoordinated some mornings, too.  

Do any of you know how to overcome this?  Or is this lack of focus just the way one is meant to feel and it is just a case of getting used to it?  I have been drinking coffee regularly since I was about 10 - no idea what my normal state of mind was before!
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Coffee...............why, oh, why do we want it so? Cuz we can't have it????????????  Hmmmm...........maybe. Then maybe it's the taste, the aroma, not necessarily the buzz for me, because when I was drinking it , I'd do decaf too. Then you have to consider there, the cr** they use to decaffinate it.  
I'm just hoping I can remember, remember, remember how I'm feeling now. Have had to go on treatments for asthma because of the cr**.    Let's just  say, they leave you feeling none too good. It's been 8 hours since I did my first treatment and I'm still jittery. Guess there are some good things that come out of being bad...............that being that it reminds one just how terrible things can get when one doesn't comply.  



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"Research has shown that drinking coffee causes a significant loss of several vitamins and minerals, including vitamins B and C, calcium, iron, and zinc."

source:  http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C403495.html

However, I would think that, for Type A's, if you keep the coffee to the recommended portions and if you make sure to get enough of the B's, C, calcium, iron and zinc in your diet to replace what is depleted by the coffee, you should be able to get the benefits of coffee for your type without the negative aspects.  Coffee is a beneficial for Type A's and I tend to give that more stock than anything else.  That said, if I personally were a Type A, I would stick mainly to green tea (also a beneficial for your type) instead of coffee, because coffee also raises cortisol levels and that is something that no one--especially a Type A--needs.  I think coffee should just be an "occasional beneficial", if there is such an animal, even for A's.  Maybe like 3x per week, so 1 cup every other day or so?  Sound doable?

P.S.  About the cortisol/coffee connection:

"Caffeine raises the production of the adrenal hormone cortisol, which causes the blood vessels to constrict and the heart to pump harder, which leads to high blood pressure. Studies have shown that coffee seems to worsen the symptoms of persons with high blood pressure, and can nullify the effect of high blood pressure medications, making expensive drugs useless."

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Hey PT, this website says the same things as the website you listed. Must be something to it. I'll have to read the one you posted. The one I'm going to post is very informative.  While it is advertising a product, it still makes very many good points.



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"Research has shown that drinking coffee causes a significant loss of several vitamins and minerals, including vitamins B and C, calcium, iron, and zinc."

......That said, if I personally were a Type A, I would stick mainly to green tea (also a beneficial for your type) instead of coffee, because coffee also raises cortisol levels and that is something that no one--especially a Type A--needs.  I think coffee should just be an "occasional beneficial", if there is such an animal, even for A's.  Maybe like 3x per week, so 1 cup every other day or so?  Sound doable?

.... Studies have shown that coffee seems to worsen the symptoms of persons with high blood pressure, and can nullify the effect of high blood pressure medications, making expensive drugs useless."



Good post, Peppermint.
I agree with all you said.  And if I were an A, I would take your perspective to heart.  There are a lot of foods that are a mixed bag, and just because something is a beneficial, doesn't mean it's a license to over-indulge.  Things have a way of "TURNING ON US!   "

Have a great Monday, Edna!  



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Hey PT, this website I'm going to post says the same things as the website you posted. Must be something to it. I'll have to read the one you posted. The one I'm going to post is very informative.  While it is advertising a product, it still makes very many good points.
http://www.teeccino.com/ArticleDetails.aspx?ArticleID=1

Holy smokes PT, this is some scary info girl:

"However, there are hundreds of other chemicals in coffee. Caffeine is a carcinogen, but coffee contains numerous other ones, created by the high heat of roasting, such as creosote, pymdine, tars and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons. The darker the roast, the greater the potential hazard."
"Caffeine raises adrenaline levels and heavy coffee consumption can lead to a state of adrenal gland exhaustion, where the adrenal glands are no longer able to adequately respond to stress by releasing enough adrenaline."
That's just two!!!  I would recommend everyone read this website. Hey PT, your website kicks my websites a**!!!  




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As an A I occasionally use coffee, and it is a total treat for me. I order a soy latte when out and feel like a million dollars. Despite the horrific info. above I will probably keep on doing this as I am feeling a bit sorry for myself re having to give up so much food during my food intolerance exercise that is still on track in searching for the cause of my hives. I was at camp over our summer recently and often found that what with my A restrictions, and my intolerance diary, all I could eat was a pile of lettuce and a white roll ! . Base line food in Australia is built around tomatoes (fresh or as sauce), meat, potatoes, and dairy. It was cute to note how often people wanted to point me to the wholemeal bread and the vegetarian dishes that all had nightshades and dairy in them (as I would have done a few years ago). A week of restricted eating was really good for my spare tyre though.
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As an A I occasionally use coffee, and it is a total treat for me. I order a soy latte when out and feel like a million dollars. Despite the horrific info. above I will probably keep on doing this...Jenny

Hey, both coffee and soy are beneficials for you, so I say ENJOY, baby!  All I was saying was that, even for A's, I think coffee is one beneficial that should best be enjoyed just occasionally, as it has some not-so-great qualities, too.  Green tea is the daily ticket!  However, when you do enjoy your occasional coffee, truly do enjoy it and revel in its beneficial qualities for you as an A!



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However, when you do enjoy your occasional coffee, truly do enjoy it and revel in its beneficial qualities for you as an A!


I second this comment and I'm also so jealous.




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Thanks P.T. and Italybound,
I'll try to remember you when I indulge, and you may share in the benefits .
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Hey thanks, you're a peach. I'll think of you also when I cave in and have one. Which I know at some point I will, despite everything. Right now, however, I'm concentrating on being a good girl. Hey!  Maybe I'll be so good, I'll forget to be bad.



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Thanks for the websites.   Even though I do not drink coffee, I drink at least 10 bottles of Water Joe a day.  Each bottle has the equivalent caffeine of one cup of coffee.  I'm super addicted.   Next week when I plan to drop from the 4 mg Nicorette gum to the 2 mg gum, I’ll substitute ever other Water Joe for Spring Water.  I wonder if my super addictions to nicotine and caffeine have something to do with my non-secretor status.  I’m not an alcoholic only because that was one thing I was careful about.  I’ll just warn everybody at work about what I’m doing.  My co-workers were very supportive during my 1st week of stopping cigarettes.  When I over-reacted a few times, they just shrugged it off as withdrawal symptoms.  I’m lucky to have support.  Venting on this forum helps too.  Thanks for listening.  


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Back in the dark ages I used to own a HFS--don't know how we all survived Adele Davis.  I sold an instant dandelion coffee substitute.  Many people said that it tasted exactly like coffee.  The local HFS has not been able to locate any from their distributors.
However I use a roasted dandelion in with my coffee.  I have been doing this for quite some time.  My coffee costs about 2 bucks for 13oz.  The roasted dandy root cost over 20 bucks per pound.  I slowly have been decreasing the coffee and am using the root.  The reason for this is insomnia.  As I have aged insomnia has become a problem--in fact it is more of a prob than the 20 bucks.  A good and restful nite's sleep is essential to my well being--and that is priceless!
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ruthie, where are you getting your roasted dandelion root ?  That might be a good thing for me to try as I am continually searching for a coffee substitute.



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ItalyB--At my local HFS.  I would think you could get it easily since you have access to larger outlets in StL.  I put it in my 4 cup drip coffee maker.  By slowly decreasing the coffee I did not go thru any withdrawal.
If you could get lucky and find the instant--I would appreciate knowing the brand.
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ruthie, where are you getting your roasted dandelion root ?  That might be a good thing for me to try as I am continually searching for a coffee substitute.


Like Ruthie,
I have bought it in bulk at the natural foods stores for a long time.  I have always thought they should have roasted it more, at least the brand that I bought, so I would sometimes roast it even more when I got it home.  That was time consuming.  I finally found a brand in tea bags that is more like coffee, to my taste.  It is Traditional Medicinals brand. . Roasted Dandelion Root.  It's really rich and dark and quite yummy, as Isa would say.



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 I finally found a brand in tea bags that is more like coffee, to my taste.  It is Traditional Medicinals brand. . Roasted Dandelion Root.  



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Sure thing!  How long do you steep it? What it says on the box or longer?



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Back in the dark ages I used to own a HFS--don't know how we all survived Adele Davis.  ruthie

Not quite sure what you mean by this reference to Adele.
Didn't we love her? (35 years ago I am talking about).
What I remember from her books was adding skim milk powder and yeast powder to everything, & using soy beans for the first time. I wonder what she would made of the BTD?
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The brand I buy is Frontier, and it comes in a 1lb bag and is roasted just like coffee. I have purchased the plain root in the bulk and had to roast and grind it--this was not fun and sometimes did not seem worth it.  I would either roast it too much or not enough.
Living in a tiny town with a small store does not give me much selection, but they are good about ordering me things when I ask.
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PS Jenny:  It's a wonder that all that whole wheat she advocated did not ruin our guts.  I made a birthday cake with it once, and it did not go over too well.  Oh my the dessicated liver and all the fresh liver barely cooked.  Did you know that she smoked and she was the leading health guru of her day--ah the past--
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Italy,
I steep it as long as I can, which gives it time to get nice and dark, usually about 15 to 20 minutes.  


Ruthie,
I like Frontier; They're a good company and that's the same brand I get when I buy it in bulk.  I just stuck it in my toaster oven on 200 and stirred it from time to time in a cake pan.  Oh, about another 45 minutes or so until I liked the darkness better.



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Adelle D. was where I got my start also.  Well, at least she introduced me to nutritional yeast, and since I am a B, all that powdered milk didn't kill me.  But I don't think she had a clue about individualized food choices.




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another great coffee subs is toasted chickory root! )


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How many of you drink your coffee black? Organic? Dark roast? Etc.

It seems that almost everyone puts something in their coffee, some kindof milk and/or sweetener. Light or medium i.e. standard roast by standard method. Just curious.
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toooo much a day, with some lactosefree milk....swiss-manner ......but I need it and I feel it that I need it.. so what... sorry  
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Is this true for blood type A's, as coffee is beneficial for them.


Guys I really sympathize with you.. really!!

Before my BTD time I had already weaned myself off coffee for more than 3 years, because of my heart racing and high bp because I drank 8 to 10 cups day!!

So I starting drinking the Pacha, or Bambu coffee-replacement!!! Great taste, but left me in a sort of oblivion, not being really there..

Soon as started the BTD introduced my 3 cups a day after each meal, I felt more alert!!!

And my 3 cups a day are beneficial for me, 'ignites' my stomachjuices to some higher activity!!! But you O's don't need this extra stomach 'ignition'. You have plenty of acid to digest your foods!!!

Cocky drinking her 3 cups a day

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Cocky drinking her 3 cups a day



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Being newly somewhat  compliant again, I have cut back on my coffee consumption , from 3 big mugs w/1/2&1/2 & 3 white sugars, to 1 or 2 smaller cups w/soy creamer & a small teaspoon of brown sugar . I find the soy creamer sweetens it so much, I almost don't need any sugar. For me, this is being Very Good!
I actually only started drinking coffee in my mid-40s, big tea drinker & Diet Coke junkie before that. What others have said on this forum re: the "focusing" power of coffee, I agree. I prefer the taste of tea, but the coffee sharpens my mind wonderfully in the morning (morning being a relative term, here, we have a 2nd-shift household, in bed 3am, up around noon).
I'm going to check out the chicory root again. Encountered it in the past, can't remember what I thought of it.
Since he & I are both down w/the flu , I have found alternatives to my olden-times comfort foods. This time, I'm drinking club soda w/a little white grape juice, and I love it!
I totally get the references to not stopping something til it nearly kills you...you just have to be ready to change, & I'd been SO sick & wicked depressed, I finally hit a wall, and was ready to be good again. The thought of the pain in my gut keeps me behaving. That being said, I'm ready to & have cut back on coffee, and don't even finish a cup a day sometimes. But I don't feel ready to quit it yet. Bad Suzy. Bad, bad.
The other steps are working wonders, tho, so excited to have a community to share this with!!! No one in my "real" life understands.  I'll teach by getting well!


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Since he & I are both down w/the flu , I have found alternatives to my olden-times comfort foods. This time, I'm drinking club soda w/a little white grape juice, and I love it!
I totally get the references to not stopping something til it nearly kills you...you just have to be ready to change, & I'd been SO sick & wicked depressed, I finally hit a wall, and was ready to be good again. The thought of the pain in my gut keeps me behaving. That being said, I'm ready to & have cut back on coffee, and don't even finish a cup a day sometimes. But I don't feel ready to quit it yet. Bad Suzy. Bad, bad.
The other steps are working wonders, tho, so excited to have a community to share this with!!! No one in my "real" life understands.  I'll teach by getting well!


osuzanna, the seltzer or club soda (and does anyone know what the difference is?)  w/ several fruit juices is wonderful!! I concocted that for myself about a year ago and I also give it to my g'kids. They are A's and really shouldn't have the  seltzer, but I figure it's better than soda. They really don't have it much, so I don't worry about it. Me, on the other hand, I like to mix it w/ pineapple or cherry juice. I think others make more of a mix w/ it than just one juice. But I can tell ya, seltzer and pineapple juice, yummy. Just wish the pineapple juice was a bennie. Oh well, the cherry is, so there we go!

Sounds like you ran up against the same thing I did. I had gotten really depressed back in Oct or Nov. Dr tried to put me some meds. THEY went in the trash and I cleaned up my diet and started taking my adrenal supps like   I was supposed to and wa-la.....all well!!  Then w/ Thanksgiving, it all fell apart again until Jan 1st. I had made a resolution to turn over a new leaf Jan 1st and I did, but it was too late. Sick as a dog by Jan 3rd and I had everything you can think of. Two rounds of antibiotics    later, still sick, but better. I was sick for almost 5 wks. About 2 of those weeks were the residual c**p hanging on. Plus everybody around me was sick, so maybe that contributed to my long sickness. And yes, it wasn't until I got hit hard that I made up my mind to be good again. So, I know where you're coming from.    I would wonder if being hardheaded is an O thing, but my DH is an A, and he too is hardheaded, so scrap that thought!
I have not given up coffee completely, but it is so minimal compared, that I don't worry about it, yet.        My O girlfriend who drinks coffee like it's going out of style, then black tea behind that, has lots of problems. I mention to her now and again about the coffee, but she hasn't given it up yet. BUT I've done all I can do for her. I have planted and watered, now it's up to her.
Yes, teaching by example is the best way. The DH, as much as he HATES to admit it, knows the BTD IS all it's cracked up to be. He saw me go from many and multiple sinus problems, same w/ digestion and also various arthritis like pains................to nothing. It was only when I started cheating that    symptoms returned. Plus he had some problems that were solved by eliminating certain foods from his diet.   Proving to him and my daughter the goodness of the BTD helps me to be better, but wish I could just be good! And all the time!  



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italybound, thanks for the post . The thing that made me refer to teaching  is my Mom, who is 76 (sorry, Mom) and healthiest one in a large family. Also Dad, who is the opposite!!!!! Mom has her mind fairly set, and some of the favorites in her household are bigtime avoids. The whole family is Os. M & D have been watching their oldest baby get more & More sickly. When they see me get well and vibrant (I can't even hold down a temp job coz of the IBS), maybe that'll peak their interest. I felt like I was delivering poison when I got some of the avoids out of my house, and coz they're favorites, dropped them off at their house. Maybe I just won't do that again.
I tell ya, it just shocks me when parents of young children don't know their own blood type, and some have been in&out of the Dr.s for years I try to help, but people often need a point of reference, like I had.
They just roll their eyes, oh, there she goes again. I don't want to be preachy, so I'll let my health do the talking.
Bramasole, is that where you Are, where you Want to be, or visit when you can? I want to go to Ireland, and I never thought I'd say it, but I want to see Tuscany.


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and since Peter mentioned that the AB's are more prone to act like A's and me I am an A2...... B
so trallala for my café.....
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Hey Isa!!!

You do whatever suits you, don't you???

You know that coffee is a Tier 2 Beverage and....... avoid for AB NONNIE...

Sometimes an A with your coffee, then a B with your lamb.  

Lucky gal!!! Switching from A to B... then AB!!! yeahhaa!!!!!!!

Anyway Victoria, I don't try to be cocky about my coffee

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I'm happy for you!  At least there are some people who can continue to enjoy the amazing bean!  I still love the smell of it!




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hey Café-Cück... morrning..dearle
yup.. I know that it *became* a no-no there's my biggest problem for surrendings verrrrryyy
hard....and I think I'll cherish this for a little moment ....


it's sooooo hard to get this outta my mind... before a benef and now a no-no
my mind just don't want to accept...and even my NK-cell told me : noooooo we are
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Bramasole, is that where you Are, where you Want to be, or visit when you can? I want to go to Ireland, and I never thought I'd say it, but I want to see Tuscany.


Very, very sad to say, I am not at Bramasole. Bramasole is Frances Mayes home in Italy. In Cortona. If you don't know who she is, she wrote Under the Tuscan Sun, Bella Tuscay and a few others. If you haven't read those, you will probably want to. I must warn you tho, if you do, you may want to pack your bags and move, right then. I did.  
 I live in Illinois and spend lots of time in Missouri. If you ever get to Tuscany, try to see Bramasole. Frances is only there 3-6 mths of the year. Just depends on her schedule. She actually got to be there in the spring one year. How I envy her!!  I plan to go next summer. Want to take the g'kids, but the little one is only 4-1/2 now. I want her to be able to remember being there. Gosh, makes me want to go pack and go now. I won't go until I can see Bramasole. Frances's schedule this year was so hectic, she said she wouldn't be having company. Hopefully I can make plans w/ her well ahead of time for 2007.




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I apologize for not reading this entire thread but, at a glance, didn't see any mention of Roasted Chicory Root so I'll throw in my 2 cents worth.

My husband came home from my ND's (also a Master in BTD) yesterday with  a bag of roasted Chicory Root and we dug out the 4 cup coffee maker.  Our first attempt was WAY too strong (although there's no caffein so it was just bitter/strong tasting, but good after watering it down and adding some Chocolate Almond Breeze.)  Today he made another pot with 1 Tablespoon of Roasted Chicory Root for 2 cups.  With a splash of Chocolate Almond Breeze milk for creamer and a little sugar it was really good.  In the future though, I would use Stevia if I needed more sweetness.  Chicory Root is added to some full-bodied coffees to add flavor.  It is very much like coffee.  My only concern is that I drink coffee when I need caffein!  But I know Chickory Root is beneficial for all A's and O's so that's a good thing.  It is neutral for AB's and B's (secretors and nonnies).  But I was thinking since A's can have coffee if I added a little caffeinated coffee to the Roasted Chickory Root that would be the bomb!  And it gave me the idea....

that if you are trying to wean yourself from coffee, you might try mixing the two and gradually decrease the amount of coffee while increasing the amount of roasted chickory root.  This may not be easy if you're not at home.  Hubby wants to try to make some tea bags somehow and fill them with roasted chicory root to make it more portable.  Otherwise he would have to have his own coffee maker at work or try to convert others to drink Chickory instead.


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Here is my 2 cents worth! Nescafe makes a coffee with chicory called encore. I make lattes with it and while it isn't complient at all with the milk (yes, I know) It has less caffeine. It give me the warm smooth comfort that I love. Try it. K  
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Have any of you coffee lovers tried "Teeccino", an herbal coffee made from carob & chicory? I love it & don't even miss coffee anymore. It has no caffene &  is high in potassium & inulin. My favorite flavors are "mocha" and "java". Our Whole Foods sells it but you can order it online, too. I started with their sampler pack of all their flavors for $10.
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I tried the Teeccino a year or so ago and hated it.  But, I tried it - right when I was drinking 5  or 6 cups of Starbucks coffee per day.  In comparison, Teeccino just didn't cut it.  But, now that I've been coffee free for about 3 months, the Teeccino might taste better?  

Thanks for reminding me that it's out there, though.  I may just buy it again and give it another try.  ...I get real tired of herbal tea every day!  

Do you drink it black, or with sweetener?  
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I drink it with some unsweetened soymilk.  I've found if you heat the soymilk a bit & then whip it with a whisk before adding it you get a very good likeness to a latte. I'm like you, I do drink a variety of herbal teas. But after awhile I would always just crave some coffee (even if I'd been off it for a good long time). The Teeccino has really solved the problem for me - I don't crave coffee at all anymore. I still love the smell of it brewing though!

The Teeccino website also sells large empty teabags for brewing a single cup. I carry them with me with a small container of the teeccino when I travel or eat out.
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Sara,

Drinking it w/ unsweetened soymilk sounds great!  I still have a latte/capuccino machine on my counter that I never use anymore.  I wonder if I could grind the Teeccino finer and use it with my machine?!?!?   That would be heaven!

Oh, and the "teabag" is a great idea.  I often go with friends or my husband - out to Starbucks.  I sit there, drinking an herbal tea, wishing like heck it was coffee instead.  I'd be willing to pay for the hot water - if I could drink something that was more like coffee!   I'd think they would let me pay for a tea and hot water - and take the tea bag home with me?  Then, I'd just use the hot water for the Teeccino!    If it would help with those Starbuck latte cravings, I'd be thrilled to death!  

I'm definitely going out and getting some asap!  
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Meg,
I think the "java" flavor is the most like coffee. Hopefully, that will appeal to you, too, now that you've distanced yourself a bit from those high powered Starbucks!

The mocha is very coffee-like, too, with just a hint of chocolate so it satisfies both cravings for me. Their other flavors didn't appeal to me as much because of fruity or a slight chemical flavoring taste.

I'd love to hear if it appeals to you after a second try!
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All right, NOW WHAT??!!!
I'm not enjoying my coffee anymore! ....I suppose that's a good thing...
BTW, I was floored when I found out last night that the BF told somebody he can't have coffee. He was out for an after-work non-compliant breakfast binge. And when he came home he noted he had a bad case of the hem-in-ahem's -   what he calls that enthusiastic mucous production O's get from dairy & wheat. He's turning out to be almost  more careful than me re: this BTD thang. Color me impressed!
D**n, I'm good!


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Coffee myths then and now.General and personal. Army finds soldiers may or may not stay awake when provided coffee 24/7. Stunts growth of children.  true/false? Then there is that pop news flash that startled me recently that I've not seen mentioned here yet. Finally some so called south american research or other claimed different effects from coffee for different people depending on heritage. Not exactly NEWS...No mention of Blood type, but of course I just have to read between the lines when ever I see medical research driving around the BTD' hood.  One other popNEWS flash not so recent I recall is the one about Coffee and Alzhiemers. Never heard it actually fleshed out but it had some assertion to the effect that coffee drinkers stood a better chance of keeping the brain they had working better. Anyone care to slam that one? My thanks to everyone chasing this thread along. I've really paused in my intake of coffee because of the various inputs offered. I'm just crazy about coffee flavored half-n-half. I once jokingly made my new years resolution to drink more!  And did! I think the interesting thing I've observed personally after thinking about the things I've read here regarding doing or not doing it is with how sleep is supposed to be affected (just how am I dreaming/resting?) and how alertness in the morning can "seem" to be affected. Has anyone else noticed that if you manage to stop, the morning is not dependent on the brew anymore? I was amazed. But have a few cups each day for a few days in a row and uhhhhhhh can't find my toes or anything else until the cup meets my lips. Then of course I think I'm fine. Am I really? I read and weep at the supposed unseen ravages of this delightful beverage on my type -O- system. To what degree is denial going to sway my continued drift back within its embrace. Nobody ever calls me jittery.  No headaches on cessation either. My stomach feels fine (especially since wheat is gone) I do sense myself somehow happier without the ritual embedded in my life when I clear it from the deck. On the other hand what is there to not say, that each plant or animal  that shares its store of planetary wisdom/substance/force with me somehow does get me closer to what is, and what is not, if I can only learn to listen? Trying to see the difference in my life is very difficult.  I must be stupid to ever drink it again. With all the reasons not to presented here there seems to be no question for us -O's-.
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Dear Ieatmeatnlikeit,
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what a great thread woooow..like it very much.....
folks a wonder is produced...since yesterday...me = switched to green tea....better
havent' had any cup of my beloved droga called café....



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Bad news on the Teecino ( I probably posted on this way back when, as I tried it a long time ago. Wasn't that crazy about it and I knew I shouldn't really be drinking it anyway. Altho, truthfully, if it didn't have the barley, I think I'd have tried harder to like it. The fact it contained barley, was always "in my way".)             Second ingredient in all Teecino coffees, if I remember right, is barley. An avoid for O's.    Neutral for everyone else.

PS.....went to their website and yes, all flavors have barley as the 2nd ingredient. The website does however, have a lot of good info about the "evils" of coffee.
http://www.teeccino.com/Default.aspx

Other than the barley, it has a bunch of great ingredients.

I went back thru this thread and ran across a site that PT posted as well. I think it's worth reposting, as it brings out a lot of negative about the effects of coffee that I think we O's need to read - again. Oh, me, oh, my, will we ever learn?  
Compliments of Peppermint Twist, here ya go:
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Italybound,
Thanks for the alert about the barley in Teeccino. DARN! I missed that entirely since I never eat barley & therefor never paid attention to it as an avoid. I was so excited about the chicory, carob & figs being beneficials that I neglected to doublecheck the rest. In rechecking barley in the typebase it's listed as a metabolic inhibitor. If losing weight is not a concern would the small amount in a cup of Teeccino affect me in other ways?
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In rechecking barley in the typebase it's listed as a metabolic inhibitor. If losing weight is not a concern would the small amount in a cup of Teeccino affect me in other ways?

Sara C, someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but when it says metabolic inhibitor, I think it's referring to inhibiting the way our body metabolizes other foods. This is how I've always understood it and don't know if it is referring to losing weight or not. It will be interesting to find out. Thanks for asking that question
I, too, was excited about all the good things in Teecino, but couldn't get past knowing the barley was in there.




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I thank you for even mentioning the empty tea bags that I knew must be for sale somewhere.  I'm going to have to look into purchasing some to make some tea bags for Roasted Chickory root that we are quite stuck on.


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Well its true that Coffee is bene for me but lately I have lost interest in it. Ive been drinking 3 or so cups of Organic Haiku Hojicha Roasted Green tea and I am really enjoying it. I had been addicted to coffee while working in a cafe but finally had to quit because my Iron was super low down to 8 (whatever they measure it by measurement units) the withdrawl was terrible and it took 6 months to get my iron back up with 85 mg. iron pills. Now that I added coffee back into my diet my iron level begain to creep back down so I had to take iron pills again. So Im just drinking coffee every once in a while.
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JamieB, what is it about the coffee that is affecting your iron? Also, where are you getting your Organic Haiku Hojicha Roasted Green tea and what company makes it ?  I looked for that at WF, but didn't see it there and have been wanting to try it. Thanks for mentioning it .




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Hi Italy,
I'm not JamieB, but I appreciate her reminder of how good Roasted green teas are!  I know Peppermint Twist also loves her roasted green and it helped her stay compliant in the hot beverage department.

Great Eastern Sun is a marvelous company and they have great teas.  Your health food store should be able to order it for you because it is a well-known company.

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what a great thread woooow..like it very much.....
folks a wonder is produced...since yesterday...me = switched to green tea....better
havent' had any cup of my beloved droga called café....

pa-pa-pa-paaaaaaaaaaaaa........means in polnish ciao
greetings from the new born café-free Tomatilla I. outta Swicherlandli


Isa!  I just noticed this post!  Congratulations on your new direction with green tea.  It is much better for you than coffee.  (Even though you have an A in your blood type)  Good luck, and give it time.



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And another thing, that Great Eastern Sun site has a nice chart of caffeine contents of coffee and various teas.



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thanks Victoria...it's not such a good feeling until now...cold turkey...hi-hi-hiiiiiii I am on *turkey*
hey where is he...yamaaan......
but I just cherish a little of but no real achings or sufferings at all....nonnielike...= we are very extreme...huh...
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Tomatilla I., glad to hear you are doing so well on your "offing" from coffee.     And no really bad side effects!! What more could you ask for?  When I quit it, it doesn't bother me physically, just mentally. I don't drink much, but once in a while, it calls my name.  I know, I know, I should turn a deaf ear, right?      Maybe some day my common sense will kick in again.  



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Well, Isa, you COULD taper off gradually, you know!    (But where's the fun in that, eh? )

Anyway, give it some time.  It takes a few days for the body to come out of shock, and then, you will feel a lot better in a lot of ways.

Keep smiling!    Drink a lot of water.  And maybe for a few days, drink more green tea than usual.



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?? what is tappering...ya know..I'm a nonnie ...so far extremly is my nickname
and i.bound...yup really no problem I drink water in tons, greentea in liters a day...and it seem to work well because I remarked...I think I was a little dehydrated...because ther's only a bit which comes back from the tons and liters I do into....


did ya ever tried berrytea with a little of citron-thyme and some cannelle in.... woooow more then greate....here only some 2 liters daily
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did ya ever tried berrytea with a little of citron-thyme and some cannelle in.... woooow more then greate....here only some 2 liters daily


what is cannelle?  I googled it really quickly and got some slinky website  





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what does mean slinky
cannelle = cinnamon ...so sorry but no cinnamon in powder form but as a little stake   did I spelled it right?
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what does mean slinky
cannelle = cinnamon ...so sorry but no cinnamon in powder form but as a little stake   did I spelled it right?


Thanks Isa.              Cinnamon sticks are how we refer to them here. Will have to check that out. As the site I'm referring to IS a bit slinky, I'll PM it to you, then you can see first hand what slinky means.



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sorry again .....but she was a nice - one..huh hi-hi-hiiiiiiii
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nooooo because I don't wanna pay for such thingies and I am not prone for such  


but what is now a little funny, that I remarekd that when I put those cannelle-sorry...cinnamon sticks into the tea...I got a rush and my heart begun to go like crazy... I think the taste is wonderful but everytime a little after... at the very early beginning I didn't even remarked it...but now... I took two cups and bang...bang...bang...   I'lll gona stop with this I guess...here's the B-part which hogties me = no cinnamon....for a while ...but it's written as neutral...so don't understand... normaly in powderform no problem with this stuff ....hmmmmm

or does it refere to pré-menopsy's this might be,too  

but since the 13.03.06...nooooo café at all .....and I even don't miss it...that's the greatest thing here...wow...its' soo easy...to change with love ...its' so easy to change with love...
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Hey that is awesome Isa!!

Yes, as long as you do it with your heart, it is okay!!!
Who needs coffee anyway??  Well I do....

I am proud of you!!!! to have fixed your coffeeaddiction!!!  

3 days already without coffee!!! Great....

Take care

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thanks Cocky,,, thanks....
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Hey girls,
You're gettin' a bit sidetracked here.    



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Victoria... what does this mean?
and yup you were right...I should hear to both half of mines..huh...better.....but I got since 30 minutes a headache I never have felt such a thingie...so far...took a Mini-cup of café and all achings are away in 2 minutes...Cocky...you are right, it was an addiction ....
ok must it do in a different way as usual..irx if not I'll be tooo much in and on *turkey*....and no yaman to see nor to hear to get me up with a good toughy turkish café... ....so far...ok...
one cup a day...no one mini-cup...it is really a mini-cup..this is permitted until  detoxified  and I promiss it...I won't cheat....
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Isa,
I was kidding with you about visiting that "special" site that you and Pat (Italybound) were visiting.



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...aaahhhaaaaaa yup...I am sure that most of our-3-legs will go and stay there...wow...please keep attentioned...might be very expensive ;P .....

and what's about changements whithin hours...huh?? I talked at midday from being completely without and now a liitle cup into... but must say it was ok...my headaches are all gone and I must do it as Victoria said...little by little...ok...a little bit bigger then little ...nonnie-like ....
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Now, Isa,
Be careful you don't get a new addiction:  Did you say 2 liters of green tea you're drinking every day?



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bad joke...the 2 liters were for the berrytea
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I read some where that coffee lowers your absorbtion of Iron and I think thats probably true for me. I eliminated my intake of coffee while I was building my iron stores up and now my iron is much better but Im still on the iron pills for another month in a half untill my next blood test. I think if you have an Iron problem you should totally cut out coffee.
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silly me no wonder why my iron is about 9 at the scale...and did not came up with my café-intake  (and I was soooo persuaded that its ok for me )

and since I stopped my *overdrive with café...lost two pounds in two days yipppiiiii here they goooooo  bye-bye...Madels when arriving in Samos no whalecloths needed anymore ;X
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bad joke...the 2 liters were for the berrytea


OH!  Whew!  I was worried for a minute, there!!  



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Isa,
I was kidding with you about visiting that "special" site that you and Pat (Italybound) were visiting.


So, Missy, should I PM you with that site as well????    




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.... à suivre ...and today, I was café-free....but must agree, that my head aches.....ok let it ache...and next round for one liter of berry&herbs-tea....  without any cinnamon sticks......better
and please dear Victoria-no worry about this...will pass ...its' ok.....
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So, Missy, should I PM you with that site as well????    



Gee, thanks for the offer, Pat,   but,.....ummm, if I want to see a fine female, I'll just look in the mirror!  (Checkin' out how the BTD is making me younger!!)   yuk, yuk!

On the other hand, if I want to escape into my fantasies, I'll check out a Bruce Springsteen video.



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Gee, thanks for the offer, Pat,   but,.....ummm, if I want to see a fine female, I'll just look in the mirror!  (Checkin' out how the BTD is making me younger!!)   yuk, yuk!On the other hand, if I want to escape into my fantasies, I'll check out a Bruce Springsteen video.


I didn't think so.      .................  it's just funny how you can be looking for one thing and something totally different comes up....................... subject closed



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Always a pleasure to talk with you, Pat.  

Back on the coffee/pseudo coffee topic, I have a thought for those of you who really want to avoid caffeine, but want a rich satisfying brew.  You know how Dr. D. recommends Genmaicha tea?  It's high quality green tea with toasted brown rice in it, my favorite tea, actually.  But I find that I can't drink more than a couple of cups a day, or the caffeine turns against me.
So I accidently came across an option when I visited the website for Great Eastern Sun.
http://www.great-eastern-sun.com/shopnew/haikuteas.html#GenmaiKukica
This is about the twigs of the tea plant, sold under the name of Kukicha, or Twig Tea.  It has a lot more caffeine than green tea, and WAY less than coffee.  (check out the caffeine chart)  They are roasted, which gives a nice rich flavor, and, still gives some of the beneficial benefits of green tea.

The tea I want to bring to your attention is Genmai Kukicha, which is roasted tea twigs with toasted rice.  You have to scroll down the page.  It's about a dozen listings down on their tea list.  It is something I plan to try.



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I read some where that coffee lowers your absorbtion of Iron and I think thats probably true for me. I eliminated my intake of coffee while I was building my iron stores up and now my iron is much better but Im still on the iron pills for another month in a half untill my next blood test. I think if you have an Iron problem you should totally cut out coffee.


This is confusing.
I have the impression that one reason why coffee is good for As is that it increases their stomach acid which in turn helps them absorb minerals better. But there is the information also circulating that coffee lowers absorption of iron.
Can anyone clear this one up?
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aaannndd it seem that our beloved maischdda was right...it mimiks insulin .....

another day for me...= café-free !!!


and I feel better and better- a little achings today... but then...ok...drank a very fine greentea and berrytea...very yummi...and then...nothing else... what I remark is, that
I feel not only better, I do not need anymore toughy tastes or smells, do I improve
or another joke of beginning pré-menopsys...?
Must go for the *west-side-story*....
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if this were the case in As, Dr D would have already advised otherwise, don t you think?
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/ask/archives/00000046.htm


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if this were the case in As, Dr D would have already advised otherwise, don t you think?
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/ask/archives/00000046.htm

Lola, this quote from Dr D. is mainly to help AB people sort out their dilemma.
I would appreciate if you could spell out the meaning of your answer to me (above) as I don't feel that the issue is any clearer yet.
Many thanks.
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he has mentioned coffee being beneficial to As.

didn t you read this in the link I send you?
it is very clear.

which of Dr Ds books have you read?


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he has mentioned coffee being beneficial to As.

didn t you read this in the link I send you?
it is very clear.

which of Dr Ds books have you read?

Lola, I have read all of his books, (nine and counting),and have owned most of them until I lent them to people who have forgotten to give them back and have followed the coffee recommendation religiously for 3 years, but just recently on this and other threads there have been comments about coffee and mineral absorption which set a small cat among the pigeons.Jenny

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Jenny, I also am very curious about this coffee/iron thing. I was told that tea will cut your iron absorption by 1/2. I quickly googled that and didn't find anything on THAT, but found some other stuff and at this point, forget what.      However, I have an O friend (and I realize you are an AB) who drinks lots of coffee and black tea and has problems w/ iron. It was so bad at one time, just a couple of years ago, that she had to have an iron transfusion.       So.................... ????
BUT on the other hand, she is also celiac, which can cause the same problem.  So it would be interesting to know just where HER problem lies. One, two or all 3.................



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Jenny, I also am very curious about this coffee/iron thing. I was told that tea will cut your iron absorption by 1/2. I quickly googled that and didn't find anything on THAT, but found some other stuff and at this point, forget what.      However, I have an O friend (and I realize you are an AB) who drinks lots of coffee and black tea and has problems w/ iron. It was so bad at one time, just a couple of years ago, that she had to have an iron transfusion.       So.................... ????
BUT on the other hand, she is also celiac, which can cause the same problem.  So it would be interesting to know just where HER problem lies. One, two or all 3.................

Italybound, I am an A; but I'm glad you are keeping this discussion going as I have noticed that sometimes information changes in the BTD world,(eg the big change in whole wheat for A sec. recently) and we don't always hear about it straight away.
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Italybound, I am an A;


Sorry 'bout that, guess I still had AB in my head from reading that quote from Dr. D.  Least that's the excuse I'm gonna use.  

What about the big change for A's re: whole wheat? I'm unaware of this I guess.  



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I always thought whole wheat was an avoid for A secretors, too, but now that I have my LR4YT book out, I see that under Tier Two, whole wheat is listed as neutral, and this book was published way back in 2001. Huh.


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I always thought it was too. My DH is an A, tho I don't know his secretor status and who knows if THAT will ever happen. Maybe I can use this as a way to get him to test.     Oh, heck, I can dream................



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I always thought whole wheat was an avoid for A secretors, too, but now that I have my LR4YT book out, I see that under Tier Two, whole wheat is listed as neutral, and this book was published way back in 2001. Huh.


I don't know which thread it was on, but about a fortnight ago someone hit us with the bombshell that wholewheat had sidled over into the neutral category in typebase for A. I was gob-smacked.
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And looking in TB4, I see sprouted wheat bread is an avoid for O's. I am continually confused about that. Dang!!!  And I just bought a loaf of Ezekiel cinnamon raisin bread yesterday.



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Yes, but is it an avoid for O secretors if you are following Tier One???


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And looking in TB4, I see sprouted wheat bread is an avoid for O's. I am continually confused about that. Dang!!!  And I just bought a loaf of Ezekiel cinnamon raisin bread yesterday.


Wait a minute, I was just there, and it listed Ezekiel as a neutral for O sec.

Update: There are two different listings: one for Ezekiel bread and one for Wheat Bread/Sprouted. The latter has a picture of wheat GRASS, so I'm wondering if the grass is avoid for Os, not the sprouted wheat that is used to make Ezekiel bread...


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Update: There are two different listings: one for Ezekiel bread and one for Wheat Bread/Sprouted. The latter has a picture of wheat GRASS, so I'm wondering if the grass is avoid for Os, not the sprouted wheat that is used to make Ezekiel bread...


I hope you are right!




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Ezekial Bread (that specific brand) is neutral for O sec. and non. sec.

Other breads which are called sprouted wheat may contain unsprouted grains and/or wheat flour, and that's the potential problem with them.  Actually, they could contain any number of avoids, so be diligent with label reading.

Wheat grass has been discussed on several occasions on the forum as ok for all blood types (as long as we don't pull it up by the roots and eat the wheat kernels.  Just a guess, but it seems like that photo of wheat grass is just to show that when wheat sprouts, it changes from a grain to a vegetable.



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Victoria, thanks for the explanation. Good news for italybound and her just bought loaf of Ezekiel bread.

So, if the bread product does not list any flour or unsprouted grain as ingredients, then it's good to go. I always read the ingredient list, regardless, for anything that has one.


It is not my responsibility to convince anyone of anything.

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and thanks lola...made me a little happier *a little café wont' harm*....= the keyword her is...a little

mostly not to be found in any kind of addictions

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Quoted from ISA-MANUELA

*a little café wont' harm*....= the keyword her is...a little

mostly not to be found in any kind of addictions


 So true, Isa!  "a little" is not in the dictionary of those of us who are coffee addicts.



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 So true, Isa!  "a little" is not in the dictionary of those of us who are coffee addicts.


Very well said Victoria  



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and all dearles, today only a mini-cup of café...will go twice in the week to get my neighbour hogtied with a seringue ....(injection of mistletoe) and after this she offered me a cup (normal cup) not a double...as usual...and she looked at me and told me...hey you look like outta  trash... yup couln't denye...but after this cup...I felt much better not that tired...
and that was all for today with café.... and it will go on ...perhaps tomorrow no café at all...we will see but must be honest...not that bad...to loose a bad habit...not that bad....
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I just remember reading on WebMD and on other regular health web sites that coffee did lower the absorbtion of Iron but I did not specifically read anywhere that it was a problem for A's by Dr. D. And in my last post I forgot to explain that I had to go back on Iron pills after I had been tested while not taking any Iron pills and after I had reintroduced coffee into my diet even though I tried not to drink to much or too often. I dont know if this helps but this has been my experience with iron and coffee.
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looks like the jury is still out Jamie.
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yep I think so.
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no cup of café today, not even the little one and petit à petit..I feel better
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Keep up the good work Tomatilla I.  
I have been having a real struggle w/ that too. No coffee since Saturday that I can think of right off the top of my head. Today, I was offered coffee twice and was within spitting distance of a great cup of coffee when I went to get a massage. (the coffee place is in the same small building)   Passed them all by. Now if  I can just do it tomorrow..............



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ooo Patty... its true... a real but must be honest...I don't struggle against whatsoever...just gentle letting go...wow.... learned something new and then it is much easier.... only the smelll and this bloody temptations.
but the after-feelings...huh...just great when you are realizing...no...I said just no thanks...
perhaps it is also the time for me to learn of the law of the masses...my favoured law was =  lots will help a lot ....but since childhood I've acted likewise... no feeling of the right portions...not in foods but in beverage or bathoils or similar...hey just crazy...
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Good going girls.......Isa and Pat!  

The smell of coffee has always been the hook for me, and that's what tended to draw me back in repeatedly.  But finally it reached the point that my body reacted more and more horribly every time I would drink a cup.  The last time I had a cup of coffee, nearly a year ago, I was truly ill.  I felt like I had food poisoning.  

Everytime I smell coffee now, I cringe inside, and remember how sick I got.



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Victoria, half of mine yup I think here the B-part took care of me... I feel very similar today....I don't miss it at all and I didn't remarked until now how really tired I am in reality...because alltimes I took café as beverage, ahem mostly ot the time...yes and I think now I must go for a real detox..thatswhy in the very first days' I've got a terrible headache and normally I never have any headaches at all
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Isa,
You will feel steadily better and better.  Also, when you are tired, you will rest.               RIGHT?



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yup must act thisway...healthier and better ...not alltimes getting drained....

after the death of one of my oldest clients today, I took one minicup...just came home from this...
night-night

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