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Ya know, caffeine sucks calcium out of your bones. †I am 36 years old with the bones of a 70 year old woman. † †Why? †low calcium intake and high caffeine intake. †I suspect I am not the only O with this problem... especially with so many coffee lovers out there. † I urge you to wean yourself off caffeine, not just coffee.


I had a bone density scan today and was surprised at the results.  I eat lots of cheese so I thought I had plenty of calcium.  Plus I exercise regularly which increases bone density.  But for years I was a Pepsi-aholic.  I weaned myself off of Pepsi by substituting it with Water Joe (caffeinated water).  I guess years of caffeine and smoking outweighed cheese and exercise.   I am on day 20 of stopping smoking.   Now I need to slowly wean myself off the Nicorette gum and Water Joe.  Iíll try drinking more green tea and spring water.  


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These are some great testimonials!  I relate to several of your sharings!!

Type O said, "Discipline is inevitable."  
I have had the same experience with all my "addictions", because whether it was ice cream, coffee or hot chocolate, or....whatever..., I never stopped eating anything I was attached to until it turned on me and I was forced by misery to stop whatever it was!

Paulam said:  "It is so hard for me, or I guess I am just not devoted enough."
My experience is, You Just Haven't Gotten Sick Enough From It Yet.  Devotion never broke an addiction for me.  Like I said in the above paragraph, when a food finally made me miserable enough, I was able to stop it.  Until that happened, it was a yo-yo.

Sheri said:  "I've been telling myself I'm going to order that roasted green tea...!!! I'm going to do it tomorrow!! I won't put anything in  it, though..  it's the sugar and  milk / soy I  love too.. "
As long as I was using cream and sugar (or honey), I kept going back to the Latte's again and again.  I never liked black coffee.  When I finally learned to love Genmaicha (green tea with brown rice), only then did I stop craving the coffee.  

When I drank black tea with 1/2 and 1/2 and honey, it was the same addictive loop, as
Plhartless said:
"Do others have the same reaction to black tea as they do to coffee?"

Mhameline said:
" I have a headache and always when I have headaches I seem to want coffee"
Isn't it peculiar that the very thing which coffee SEEMS to cure is the very thing it causes when we stop using it.  Isn't that SO like the drug that it is??


I could go on and on.  I'll stop here 'cause I relate to everybody's struggle!  hugs and kisses to us all!!
Thanks to everyone for your sharings.

V.
 



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I have been off of coffee for 3 days. I run, literally, to Starbucks every morning (for years), grab my venti and power walk home. 2 raw sugars, 2 splendas, splash of cream and cool it off with non-fat. It took me all day to drink that one large coffee. It didn't even give me my 2nd wind anymore. Are all of you black coffee drinkers??  It's the milk that was killing me! I am dairy free and don't want coffee anymore. Besides, you can steep the green tea for an extra long time and suck it down at room temp. if you only need a quick fix. My best advice is if you're going cold turkey and get a headache, take white willow bark. It's what asprin was originally derived from, but it won't cause your stomach to bleed. Good anti-inflamatory as well.
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Hello Latte Lovers,

Hereís what worked for me, in giving up coffee. †First get serious esophagus damage and then as an extra incentive I was injured in an accident and developed painful acid reflux from a hiatal hernia. †So by being in a lot of pain, I hardly noticed the two days of head aches when I stopped coffee cold turkey.

Iíll apologize if that testimonial seems harsh or scary. †But Iíd like to make the point that coffee can really injure you eventually, if you are an O.

Previously Iíve mused that coffee is really the devil. †Itís that seductive for me. †I wonder if this will sound pathetic, but I actually went into Starbucks, ordered a huge cup of joe and I took it to a comfy chair where I simply breathed in the aroma. †Talk about missing my addiction. †Then I got myself a far less satisfying cup of herbal tea, which I drank.

On the positive side, I have noticed that †Iím †more ďcenteredĒ without the caffeine/coffee. †Even while I still tend to worry about possible cancer risks, etc.. †I think exercise helps my peace of mind / mood, †too. †

Years ago I came up with a personal rule which is supposed to be part of my philosophy, yet somehow I didnít follow through when I knew coffee didnít really seem good for me. †That †rule / concept is: Discipline is inevitable.

Well in the past I didnít use discipline about my coffee vice, and now my discipline choices are no longer internal will, but forced or external discipline. †So you can take charge now, or be forced into it later by health problems.

So I hope everyoneís 13th step with this coffee habit, can be to substitute something more positive and healthy, and in the long run more rewarding than coffee.

P.S. lol, once I invented a drink at starbucks which I named the 13th. step, but that was supposed to be for people whoíd had to much alcohol the previous night. †... well it was funny at the time. †Best to you all, type_o



I TOTALLY get where you are coming from with this.  I adore the aroma of coffee and it was so sad to have to give it up.  First, I gave it up entirely for one year (went cold turkey).  Then once I'd clearly beaten my coffee addiction, I decided to treat myself to the occasional cup (like once or twice a month).  What happened was the addiction crept in again.  I wound up drinking two, occasionally three, double espressos a day.  I had awful stomach pains, anxiety, I looked like the Walking Dead, nasty black circles under my eyes, pale skin, horrible insomnia, kidney pain.  I had to give the stuff up.  And now I will never go back.  As much as I adore coffee, the nasty side effects it gives me are just not worth it.  


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I have been giving coffee up for the last year or so ,i.e. give it up, have headaches for a day and drink lots of green tea..... and starting again after a few weeks or even days.

What makes me go back every time is not the aroma or the habitual cup with the Sunday paper but the really spaced out feeling I have in my head.  Coffee seems to focus the mind for me.  At the moment I have one cup in the morning when I get into work and that's it.  Green tea or herbal tea for the rest of the day or water.  

I just don't know how else to focus the mind.  It does not appear to just affect the way I approach work but also the way I move cause I seem to be somewhat uncoordinated some mornings, too.  

Do any of you know how to overcome this?  Or is this lack of focus just the way one is meant to feel and it is just a case of getting used to it?  I have been drinking coffee regularly since I was about 10 - no idea what my normal state of mind was before!
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Coffee...............why, oh, why do we want it so? Cuz we can't have it????????????  Hmmmm...........maybe. Then maybe it's the taste, the aroma, not necessarily the buzz for me, because when I was drinking it , I'd do decaf too. Then you have to consider there, the cr** they use to decaffinate it.  
I'm just hoping I can remember, remember, remember how I'm feeling now. Have had to go on treatments for asthma because of the cr**.    Let's just  say, they leave you feeling none too good. It's been 8 hours since I did my first treatment and I'm still jittery. Guess there are some good things that come out of being bad...............that being that it reminds one just how terrible things can get when one doesn't comply.  



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"Research has shown that drinking coffee causes a significant loss of several vitamins and minerals, including vitamins B and C, calcium, iron, and zinc."

source: †http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C403495.html

However, I would think that, for Type A's, if you keep the coffee to the recommended portions and if you make sure to get enough of the B's, C, calcium, iron and zinc in your diet to replace what is depleted by the coffee, you should be able to get the benefits of coffee for your type without the negative aspects. †Coffee is a beneficial for Type A's and I tend to give that more stock than anything else. †That said, if I personally were a Type A, I would stick mainly to green tea (also a beneficial for your type) instead of coffee, because coffee also raises cortisol levels and that is something that no one--especially a Type A--needs. †I think coffee should just be an "occasional beneficial", if there is such an animal, even for A's. †Maybe like 3x per week, so 1 cup every other day or so? †Sound doable?

P.S. †About the cortisol/coffee connection:

"Caffeine raises the production of the adrenal hormone cortisol, which causes the blood vessels to constrict and the heart to pump harder, which leads to high blood pressure. Studies have shown that coffee seems to worsen the symptoms of persons with high blood pressure, and can nullify the effect of high blood pressure medications, making expensive drugs useless."

Source: †http://www.diagnose-me.com/treat/T136795.html


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Hey PT, this website says the same things as the website you listed. Must be something to it. I'll have to read the one you posted. The one I'm going to post is very informative.  While it is advertising a product, it still makes very many good points.



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Quoted from Edna
"Research has shown that drinking coffee causes a significant loss of several vitamins and minerals, including vitamins B and C, calcium, iron, and zinc."

......That said, if I personally were a Type A, I would stick mainly to green tea (also a beneficial for your type) instead of coffee, because coffee also raises cortisol levels and that is something that no one--especially a Type A--needs. †I think coffee should just be an "occasional beneficial", if there is such an animal, even for A's. †Maybe like 3x per week, so 1 cup every other day or so? †Sound doable?

.... Studies have shown that coffee seems to worsen the symptoms of persons with high blood pressure, and can nullify the effect of high blood pressure medications, making expensive drugs useless."



Good post, Peppermint.
I agree with all you said.  And if I were an A, I would take your perspective to heart.  There are a lot of foods that are a mixed bag, and just because something is a beneficial, doesn't mean it's a license to over-indulge.  Things have a way of "TURNING ON US!   "

Have a great Monday, Edna!  



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Hey PT, this website I'm going to post says the same things as the website you posted. Must be something to it. I'll have to read the one you posted. The one I'm going to post is very informative. †While it is advertising a product, it still makes very many good points.
http://www.teeccino.com/ArticleDetails.aspx?ArticleID=1

Holy smokes PT, this is some scary info girl:

"However, there are hundreds of other chemicals in coffee. Caffeine is a carcinogen, but coffee contains numerous other ones, created by the high heat of roasting, such as creosote, pymdine, tars and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons. The darker the roast, the greater the potential hazard."
"Caffeine raises adrenaline levels and heavy coffee consumption can lead to a state of adrenal gland exhaustion, where the adrenal glands are no longer able to adequately respond to stress by releasing enough adrenaline."
That's just two!!!  I would recommend everyone read this website. Hey PT, your website kicks my websites a**!!!  




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As an A I occasionally use coffee, and it is a total treat for me. I order a soy latte when out and feel like a million dollars. Despite the horrific info. above I will probably keep on doing this as I am feeling a bit sorry for myself re having to give up so much food during my food intolerance exercise that is still on track in searching for the cause of my hives. I was at camp over our summer recently and often found that what with my A restrictions, and my intolerance diary, all I could eat was a pile of lettuce and a white roll ! . Base line food in Australia is built around tomatoes (fresh or as sauce), meat, potatoes, and dairy. It was cute to note how often people wanted to point me to the wholemeal bread and the vegetarian dishes that all had nightshades and dairy in them (as I would have done a few years ago). A week of restricted eating was really good for my spare tyre though.
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As an A I occasionally use coffee, and it is a total treat for me. I order a soy latte when out and feel like a million dollars. Despite the horrific info. above I will probably keep on doing this...Jenny

Hey, both coffee and soy are beneficials for you, so I say ENJOY, baby! †All I was saying was that, even for A's, I think coffee is one beneficial that should best be enjoyed just occasionally, as it has some not-so-great qualities, too. †Green tea is the daily ticket!  However, when you do enjoy your occasional coffee, truly do enjoy it and revel in its beneficial qualities for you as an A!



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However, when you do enjoy your occasional coffee, truly do enjoy it and revel in its beneficial qualities for you as an A!


I second this comment and I'm also so jealous.




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Thanks P.T. and Italybound,
I'll try to remember you when I indulge, and you may share in the benefits .
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Hey thanks, you're a peach. I'll think of you also when I cave in and have one. Which I know at some point I will, despite everything. Right now, however, I'm concentrating on being a good girl. Hey!  Maybe I'll be so good, I'll forget to be bad.



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Thanks for the websites.   Even though I do not drink coffee, I drink at least 10 bottles of Water Joe a day.  Each bottle has the equivalent caffeine of one cup of coffee.  I'm super addicted.   Next week when I plan to drop from the 4 mg Nicorette gum to the 2 mg gum, Iíll substitute ever other Water Joe for Spring Water.  I wonder if my super addictions to nicotine and caffeine have something to do with my non-secretor status.  Iím not an alcoholic only because that was one thing I was careful about.  Iíll just warn everybody at work about what Iím doing.  My co-workers were very supportive during my 1st week of stopping cigarettes.  When I over-reacted a few times, they just shrugged it off as withdrawal symptoms.  Iím lucky to have support.  Venting on this forum helps too.  Thanks for listening.  


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Back in the dark ages I used to own a HFS--don't know how we all survived Adele Davis.  I sold an instant dandelion coffee substitute.  Many people said that it tasted exactly like coffee.  The local HFS has not been able to locate any from their distributors.
However I use a roasted dandelion in with my coffee.  I have been doing this for quite some time.  My coffee costs about 2 bucks for 13oz.  The roasted dandy root cost over 20 bucks per pound.  I slowly have been decreasing the coffee and am using the root.  The reason for this is insomnia.  As I have aged insomnia has become a problem--in fact it is more of a prob than the 20 bucks.  A good and restful nite's sleep is essential to my well being--and that is priceless!
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ruthie, where are you getting your roasted dandelion root ?  That might be a good thing for me to try as I am continually searching for a coffee substitute.



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ItalyB--At my local HFS.  I would think you could get it easily since you have access to larger outlets in StL.  I put it in my 4 cup drip coffee maker.  By slowly decreasing the coffee I did not go thru any withdrawal.
If you could get lucky and find the instant--I would appreciate knowing the brand.
DrD give lots of benefits to the lowly dandyl and I have sent printed messages to people which have appeared in the bloggers area.
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ruthie, where are you getting your roasted dandelion root ? †That might be a good thing for me to try as I am continually searching for a coffee substitute.


Like Ruthie,
I have bought it in bulk at the natural foods stores for a long time. †I have always thought they should have roasted it more, at least the brand that I bought, so I would sometimes roast it even more when I got it home. †That was time consuming. †I finally found a brand in tea bags that is more like coffee, to my taste. †It is Traditional Medicinals brand. . Roasted Dandelion Root. †It's really rich and dark and quite yummy, as Isa would say.



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†I finally found a brand in tea bags that is more like coffee, to my taste. †It is Traditional Medicinals brand. . Roasted Dandelion Root. †



Thank ya very much ma'am!!



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Let us know how you like it!




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Sure thing!  How long do you steep it? What it says on the box or longer?



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Back in the dark ages I used to own a HFS--don't know how we all survived Adele Davis. †ruthie

Not quite sure what you mean by this reference to Adele.
Didn't we love her? (35 years ago I am talking about).
What I remember from her books was adding skim milk powder and yeast powder to everything, & using soy beans for the first time. I wonder what she would made of the BTD?
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The brand I buy is Frontier, and it comes in a 1lb bag and is roasted just like coffee. I have purchased the plain root in the bulk and had to roast and grind it--this was not fun and sometimes did not seem worth it.  I would either roast it too much or not enough.
Living in a tiny town with a small store does not give me much selection, but they are good about ordering me things when I ask.
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