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bryonyvaughn
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Whole wheat:  One dose doesn't do me in but if I keep it up I have sugar issues.  I won't be able to drink any root vegetable juices or even a piece of fruit without sugar cycling.

Dairy:  Instead of getting a runny nose like other folks my sinus get dry as dust.  Once I get up in the morning I have to snort a little water and wait a few minutes until my nasal passages are moist enough to breathe easily.  It takes a several more snorts and more time before I can blow my nose.  I also get constipated.  

Tomatoes:  Wicked debilitating arthritis pain in every joint of my body.

Red meat:  Shuts down my G-I tract so nothing moves for days.  I'm not talking just not pooping and things get backed up.  Nothing seems to move at any stage of my G-I tract.  

Garbanzo beans:  My only migraine was a three day long blinger where I didn't leave my darkened bedroom.  Pressure relieved the pain.  I didn't realize how much pressure I was applying to my forehead until on the third day I felt my upper dental arch and palate spreading.  That headache was induced by maybe a dozen garbanzo beans.  I truly believe I'll die never having consumed another garbanzo bean.

Bananas:  I don't eat them but when my secretor children do they'll all wet the bed.  

Oysters:  I've not purposely eaten them but once my husband made me an A-friendly broccoli-carrot-tofu stirfry.  After 15 minutes it felt like hundreds of tiny needles were sticking me in my tongue.  I asked him about the ingredients and they sounded fine.  I dug through the garbage and found he used a commercial sauce as a base and saw all the ingredients were things I never reacted to but then there was "oyster extract".  

I've believed I was a secretor due to the way I react to food whose values differ for A sec and A non-sec.  I've also never had a dental cavity.  What convinced me beyond a shadow of a doubt is that, after avoiding avoids for quite a while, when I encouter an avoid my saliva will get viscous.  It's not tacky just thicker and it seems to flow over food in my mouth slowly.

Any other secretors experience this?


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Hi friends,  I've been eating for my blood type for about a year.  Until recently I didn't associate(like many of you)my aches, runny nose, and pains with a particular food that I was eating.  What is now awakening me started with a blood test, two weeks ago,  where my serum glutamic oralocetic transaminane enzyme or SGOT/AST was slightly elevated plus I had been having some tightness in the upper torso(around the bottom of my bra for a better way of describing the area)off and on for months.  I decided to go to a doctor, a naturapath.  He asked question and in that session I came up with - this tightness started about the time of my switch to the blood type eating.  I had been a vegatarian for 20+ years and now I was eating red meat.  My last attack of tightness was after St Patrick's Day when I ate corned beef and cabbage.  NOW after reading your comments I'm putting two and two together and coming up with its the food, you know the ones on my O non avoid list.  The doctor suggested that since I was getting older that my stomach acid was dimishing and that I need to take a table spoon of apple cider vinegar in a glass of water twice a day.  I don't think I want to do that because vinegar is on my avoid list since I am an O non-secretor.  Today I woke up with this pressure/tightness.  Any suggestion?  


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I don't know how many of them affect me but here's what I do know so far:
Wheat-makes my face break out, eczema on trunk and arms
Too many grains of any kind-makes me feel high and loopy, serious brain fog and clumsy
Too much fruit of all kinds, even bennies- gassy, heartburn and reflux


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I had a huge list but thought I would share how I feel right now after a final discovery that a neutral for me must be an avoid. Butter and ghee both have same affect.

As of this morning after making a beautiful breakfast of turkey sausage, eggs and pumpkin cooked in butter, I feel like I have the flu. My body aches all over. This is not how it started. It started with horrible cramps in my stomach and then a long visit to the throne. At one point, I thought I would vomit but it remained as a nauseous feeling. As the day progressed I began to notice some aches and pains like fibro. Now I am freezing cold like one gets with a fever and ache all over like the flu. My nose is running and my body feels like I should just lay down and go to sleep even though the mind says keep on going. I am very tender in the area around the belly button and bellow and my midrift feels like I just drank a ton of water in 5 minutes.

Relief comes from belching and having a nice warm kitty lay on my stomach. I'm about to drink a nice warm cup of peppermint tea and had already taking a bromelain. I was not able to take my supplements as everything other than broth has increased the sharp pains in my stomach. Tea for dinner tonight. No more butter or ghee for me  


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have some ginger, also, for diggestion.


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Molly,
have some lemon water first thing in the morning instead.


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Quoted from lola
have some ginger, also, for diggestion.


I was looking for my ginger tea but saw that I was out and do not have any fresh. You just reminded me, though, that I have ginger capsules. Think I will go take one of them now. Thanks!

Lemon water? I have never done this. What does the lemon and water do?


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Molly.

Along with Lola's comment, I have found drinking seltzer or sparkling water has helped similar symptoms.


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Molly mentioned she was told by her ND to take apple cider vinegar.......
lemon juice first thing in the morning, in a cup of warm water is advised for As,
for detox and helping stomach acidity.


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Thank you and sorry! I realized after I hit post that Molly had posted an issue that you were addressing. I was so caught up in my problems that I missed it and thought maybe you wrote the wrong name. Dahhh! It's not all about me.  


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no biggie!! lol
your advice on seltzer water is also good!


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no biggie!! lol
your advice on seltzer water is also good!


Thanks! Also, I took two ginger capsules and drank the peppermint tea and things are finally start to calm in the stomach. Phewwww! I hate that feeling. I thought I was going to be to the porcelin gods soon. So much better now.


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good to hear!!! (I mean read)


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Missy, this wasn't a little food poisoning or a gallbladder attack? Sounds similar to one I had some years ago...glad you're feeling better, anyway! I hate "that feeling", too!
I'm going to start looking for ginger capsules..

Is it okay to just nibble fresh ginger pieces? Or cooked ginger?

Great thread! I haven't matched all my reactions with their avoids, yet, but here are some I've figured out...
Cheating alot on BTD makes me stupid and sick

Benadryl gives me restless leg syndrome, bigtime

Cheese, ice cream give me zits 3-4 days later

Corn oil & syrup is trying to kill me. I get post nasal drip, sore throats, leading to colds & bronchitis - this just happened yesterday, tho I knew it bothered me. Now that I'm being gooder the avoids are being badder
Grains may be giving me postnasal youknow
I think chickpeas/garbanzos or something in the hummus I got is giving me sharp pains in tummy area, then gas & cramps, then fine again...
dairy - postnasal drip, cramps
too much chicken skin with fat - pain, cramping - gallbladder situation, I think..
too much chicken or corn- bad sinuses, PND again, eventual cold/respiratory illness
a few years ago lasagna gave me wicked gut cramps & nausea - probably the wheat & ricotta cheese combined w/rocky gallbladder
have gotten those little tongue blisters(name?) from walnuts, raw carrots, bananas, but not in a long time, will re-test for current responses
But I always feel good after I eat beef!
wheat pastries used to give me bronchitis & yeast & bladder infections
being mostly very good for 5 weeks, now, I feel SO MUCH BETTER!!!
I realized I've hardly taken any of the scrip & OTC meds I LIVED on every day, this last 5 weeks! Wow! And only 1 gut attack in 5 weeks, and one miserable day (yesterday) from cheating. What a difference! I look forward to figuring out all my causes and effects, & this thread is a huge help in recognising relationships! Thanks, everybody!


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Oh, and my joints don't hurt anymore, for the most part, but I BTD'd with both feet, all at once, so I don't know what I gave up that hurt the joints!


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do you take deflect to help flush out all those toxins??

BTD is antiinflammatory remember?
so practically all avoids will hurt your joints, specially night shades, and dairy as well as wheat and corn.....and and and......)


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Lola, the only supp's I've been taking (some are not supp's, I guess) are folic acid, a chewable Centrum(all-in-one type vit), B-complex & a week ago back on Prozac after 3 weeks off. No other things at the moment, tho I do sneak sips out of the blackstrap molasses bottle! $'s been tight, my next expenditure will be a secretor test soon as I can.
Maybe having the flu 2nd week of BTD helped with a little flushing


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This is really interesting to read everyone's experinces. For me it is always bad, bad, bad acid reflux with tomato products of any kind, It is even worse now that I am pregnant! So I must work harder to avoid the avoids....

For my partner, who is still learning, he is an A like me and still tries to drink OJ. In fact he had some yesterday and was sick all day with sour stomach, reflux, & pains......not to mention it was from Mc Donalds....Poor guy he said he learned his lesson & won't touch Mc D's again!  


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. See my thread called Hives in the Encyclopedia Forum.
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Jenny, I don't see your thread over there. Perhaps it was moved? I'd like to read it.

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Molly mentioned she was told by her ND to take apple cider vinegar.......
lemon juice first thing in the morning, in a cup of warm water is advised for As,
for detox and helping stomach acidity.


Molly is an O.  Does it work the same for O's for digestion?




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Missy, this wasn't a little food poisoning or a gallbladder attack? Sounds similar to one I had some years ago...glad you're feeling better, anyway! I hate "that feeling", too!

OSuzanna - don't have a gallbladder anymore so I'm pretty sure it wasn't a gallbladder attacked. They took this out some 6 years ago when I had a similar issue thinking the same thing. Found out later that I still had these problems and we realize that it was food related. Also, the butter was organic and freshly purchased. Today I feel a lot better so I don't think it was food poisoning. Thank goodness.

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Is it okay to just nibble fresh ginger pieces? Or cooked ginger?


I'm still developing a taste for ginger but I'm sure nibbling on fresh ginger pieces would work quite the same. For me the capsules work because I don't have to taste it.    Hopefully I will develop a taste soon.  



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fresh ginger can get HOT!!!!!  watch it! )


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candied ginger is great if you can have any suger....
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Jenny, I don't see your thread over there. Perhaps it was moved? I'd like to read it.





No, I can't find it either. The last entry would have been about mid February I think, and it has dissolved into the ether. Anyway the story was that for about 3 months I was struggling with hives (which I've had on and off all my life). In childhood it was rumoured that it might be peanut butter. Later on I suspected mushrooms. Finally I started a daily food diary which helped me nail a few myths. After a couple of quite troubling months (weals coming up every day in different places, sometimes even on the mouth), a nurse mentioned the word sulphur. this was in relation to white wine and eggs. I then ordered and received the new Allergy book, and was gobsmacked to read page 99 and 100 which implicated sulphites in a big way. I then really started reading labels seriously. And within days knew that it was the preservative 202 and all the other 200s that were most suspect. Not that I used much processed food. But over Christmas there are always parties (champagne) and processed goodies. (Just a tiny bit of this can't hurt me!) Even ready made sandwiches in a salad bar had a preservative label on it when I looked hard enough.
So since then I haven't had any major trouble, just the odd tiny weal which I can always relate back to a sulphurated food (apricots are usually a problem) or a bit of a commercial product. I also found it important to fastidiously wash fresh fruit as I think that sometimes they may be sprayed with a weak preservative to keep them looking good. It was a combination of the daily diary and the Allergy book that resolved my life long problem. Thanks Dr D. and to everyone here who helped me.
Oh yes one more item, I started taking a mineral supplement with molybdenum in it as there is a possibility that some people lack this and it is necessary in sulphur processing.
This would have to be the longest gasbagging I've done here. Hope it answered some of your questions Italybound.
Cheerio,
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I find that if I drink gerolsteiner (naturally sparkling mineral water) before I eat my meal, I don't have a problem with gerd/acid reflux.  What we also do now, is most times, we cook our beef with thin slices of ginger.  Juiced ginger also helps.  Start with one teaspoon & slowly add more.  Another great help is DGL Licorice.


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Lola, I already learned the hot ginger lesson , so that's why I used the term "nibble", coz that's how I eat it, when I've used it in a recipe. I used to eat the pickled ginger regularly in sushi bars, but haven't been yet since I started BTDing. Looking forward to salmon  & tuna sashimi, tho. My mouth just watered, typing this!!


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