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I realized in college that I got bad stomach cramps after eating chicken.  Everybody thought it was in my imagination because chicken was thought by many to be THE healthy meat.  I now feel vindicated.  The case history in the book about the 7 yr old who liked chicken nuggets and corn on the cob reminded me of my son when he got frequent ear infections at that age.


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Wheat makes my joints ache, corn does all sorts of things, unfermented cold soy products (ie, milk, tofutti) causes anaphylaxis; haven't isolated the rest.

I noticed a couple of people talking about beneficials that give them itchy tongues or lips.  This is a classic cross-reaction.  I thought I was "allergic" to a ton of fruit:  cherries, bananas, etc.  Unfortunately, lots of stuff on the beneficials list.  But I heard an allergist discuss how frequent this is for people with pollen allergies.  Bananas, for instance, are a cross-reaction for people with latex and ragweed allergies....others are cross-reactions for birch pollen, etc.  Which makes me curious whether anyone's had any luck with Dr D's allergy book?....

By the way, cooking those fruits lightly takes away the problem!


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that book must be full of advice!! )


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I got the allergy book because I've had continuous post nasal drip.  I suspect my problem started due to a smoker in the house.  Since the smoker has left the building... permanently my problem has diminished somewhat, but is still there.

The book answered questions like "why am I craving these things?" which turned out to be super beneficials.

wheat, soy cause severe allergy attacks consisting of violent sneezing and total energy wipe out.

vinegar causes joint pain in my ankles.

I'm an avid label reader so I don't have problems often, but once in a while something slips by me and I pay.  I'm good with the concept of avoid.... except for corn.  I don't eat corn often, but what's good Mexican food without chips and salsa?  If I associated a problem with occasional poisoning myself with corn, I would immediately vow it off the menu permanently.  Because I don't notice anything... I do eat it, but no more than once or twice a month.  I only get it from restaurants that make their own, or I make my own.  I refuse to buy the packs in the store.


It is what it is so I'm dealing with it.
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you must be allergic to trans fats and additives, also! )
as well as artificial flavours....etc.


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Allergic to trans-fats?  They are evil to consume, but allergenic too?


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Allergic to trans-fats?  They are evil to consume, but allergenic too?


In a  sense, yes, they are proinflammatory


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Usually I get tired then a little cranky, sort of dizzy sometimes (particularly with dairy).  If the reaction is bad enough I can become full blown confused.  But usually it's like my balance is a little thrown off.... something feels not quite right, within 15 minutes of finishing the avoid, and lasting hours... or longer.  Wheat causes me to get cranky and angry very quickly.  It revs up my nervous system.  All avoids cause me digestive trouble, which means some degree of constipation, diarhhea, painful bowels, cramps, gas etc.

Avoids.... they're bad!  
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Well I found out that sugar gives me the runs. Ever since I had my thyroid problem I had the runs. Now I always thought that it was because they put a laxative in my thyroid medication (I take Thyrax). But I never put two and two together. Ever since my thryroid problem I also started taking lots of sugar. It gave me some energy, at least for while. Yes, I know that was bad (now!) but back then I did things that would make me feel better even if it was for just a little while.

So now I stopped taking sugar and I still take my medication and I don't have the runs at all. A week ago I had a little sugar thinking it wouldn't kill me (since I've been eating so much of it all those years). Well it didn't kill me, but it did give me the runs.
Go figure.
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Cinnamon is on Tier 2 for me but every time I eat it, the next day I'll have an aura several times of the day and ensuing headache.  Before I knew about the BTD diet I had figured out that cinnamon affected the gut and have never eaten it much.  I love it, too!

Coconut and sesame seeds are avoids and I agree as they affect the intestines and I'll probably have loose bowels.

Other than this I never notice anything from an avoid.  The key word is "notice" as I realize the BTD is to be followed for life and I try not to stray.
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I don't react to avoids. Not single avoids, like if I make a dish with organic bacon or accidently eat something with wheat or corn. I don't feel a ting - I'm such a mis-fit!

IF I feel anything, I can't pinpoint it on ONE food, and I seldom get the same reaction after eating the same avoid twice.

I have to dive into an avoid-buffet at a party to feel anything the next day - but then I'm not sure if it's a regular hang-over or the avoids talking, so...

ETA: Years ago I would never have followed a WOE where I couldn't feel any big effects. But BTD is different somehow. I KNOW this is better for me, so I just do it. Maybe it's because I got my AHA-moment from Atkins and started to feel so much better when I stopped eating grains, but I didn't want to follow the Atkins-WOE in the long run. It didn't feel right, somehow. I couldn't understand why artificial sweeteners were better than fruit?! BTD was the logical answer to that question for me. That's why I believe, that I'm a BTD'er for life!


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New Hamsphire,  Cinnamon is listed as an avoid for you.  Look at type4base.

Poly,  Wow,  If I didn't feel the effects like you don't feel them, I probably wouldn't have seeked out this diet!  How compliant are you?

Prunes are beneficial for me but they give me painful gas really bad and sometimes the runs........holding up to their reputation!


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I'm fascinated by all of this!!!!

I've been bad since the holidays, too.. I haven't gotten completely on track.  Wheat isn't my downfall...mine is coffee or tea.. hot.. with sugar and milk...

I didn't really notice any O's with any descriptions of problems they had when they had coffee...

I have arthitis, too... I know coffee aggrivates  this in  type O's.. I know I should stay away!

Just to add, wheat made me SoOoOOo tired... breaks my face out, too!  So does sugar and coffee... ( but it tastes so good!)  

All this reminds me how BAD i  felt as a vegetarian for so many years... ...

Thanks for making me want to get back on the wagon...

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sometimes I just was thinking that the sickness came because of the knowledge of having eaten *avoids* = means the psychological input.... must be honest... not only because of those inputs
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Yes, Slyparrot, cinnamon is an avoid on Tier 2.  So even though it's on Tier 2 and I eat it and am in a healthy condition I still get bad effects from it.
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Poly,  Wow,  If I didn't feel the effects like you don't feel them, I probably wouldn't have seeked out this diet!  How compliant are you?


Heh, I didn't seek out BTD - BTD seeked me out!

How compliant I am? Hm, usually I'm pretty compliant - about 85%, I guess... (How do you actually determine these things?)

Because...

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I didn't really notice any O's with any descriptions of problems they had when they had coffee...


I do drink coffee - with cream! I love it, and I know it will be the last thing for me to let go. Much easier to quit smoking, IMO!

So if coffee is 10% that leaves 5% for other stuff - like some oil or some gum way down on an ingredientslist for, say, mayonnaise or something. Thinking that the amount is so miniscule, that the worry over it's ill effect will be more dangerous, than the stuff itself, so...  

Maybe coffee is the reason why I don't feel the ill effects of the avoids. Hm, not much reason to quit it then, is it?!? Well, I do plan on dropping coffee as an every day habit, but not now while I'm in the middle of a very stressfull period of my life. When things have cooled down a bit, then I'll look into it. I promise!


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Poly,

Good point about worrying about avoids, especially when they don't give you any obvious problems and are soo miniscule!.  I don't want to be obsessive, but when my body tells me something is not good i will listen to it.  Though not always soo easy, since i'm am hooked on coffee again!!!.  I can't say it is the best for me as i think it may be making me agitated and causing some dry patches on my face.  It seems alot of us O's have a hard time giving up coffee for good!!!.  I even love the smell of it and when i see it on t.v., even in a show, i want it soo bad!!!.

Good Luck giving it up!!!

Mickey


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Dr. D has said many times that it's not about what you don't eat but what you do eat that makes the difference.  "Quoted by Jane"
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Good Luck giving it up!!!


You too!

Actually, I've always envied sensitive people who get all sorts of reactions, because they're more carefull about taking care of themselves.

One thing I know, though: I'll never be able to follow any WOL that takes out the fun in life. And if I live to be an old woman, I'll probably at one point say stop and do exactly as I please: eat marinated herring, drink port and smoke big cigars every day!


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Wheat & dairy = runny nose, sinus inflammation

pork = horrible stomachache & gas

beef = constipation (though it seems I can have a burger about once a month without this problem - more frequently though & I'm doomed)

Those are the only reactions I've noticed - I'm sure there are others I'm not aware of
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I'm finding that the 'cleaner' I get (i.e., more compliant--to portions as well as foods--and also avoiding my additional suspected or known allergens), the easier it is to note reactions.  Although, as anyone with multiple allergies knows, it's hard to sort out precisely what one is reacting to sometimes,especially when the reaction is a day or two later (like food poisoning!).


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You folks with banana sensitivities might also want to be careful with natural latex.  I've read that banana plants and rubber trees are related, so some people will react to both.


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I get tonsil stones from too much dairy; and if I have some late in the day, my snoring gets loud.  Eating potatoes too often gives me achy knees; and wheat, in any amount, makes me gain weight.


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This thread is so interesting!

I quit coffee and I didn't think I could ever do it. I drank it if even though it made my heart race and made me SUPER CRANKY! I practice Bikram yoga and I found that class became much easier and much more fun, the more compliant I was on BTD. But I kept drinking coffee. Then something changed and I started getting super dizzy during class and had trouble catching my breath. I quit coffee and haven't had any trouble in class since (and it's a tough class!) and it's lost its temptation factor. I can't explain why but glad it happened.

Dairy & wheat congest & constipate me.

Sugar gives me a sore throat and I feel as if it lowers my immunity - as if I could catch a cold any minute. It also makes me break out.

Oranges BURN my stomach.

Apples give me a strange but mild blood sugar reaction that's hard to describe.

Cauliflower makes me nauseous.

Chickpeas wreak havoc on my digestive tract.



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Soy beans and all products (as well as most legumes/beans) cause anaphylaxis.

Wheat and corn are pure evil. They cause bloating, fatigue, aching joints, headaches, sore muscles etc.

All grains and starchy veggies cause the above symptoms. I do not seem to tolerate grains or starches at all.

Dairy causes gas and other tummy related woes.

I also notice that avoiding dairy alleviates my unfortunate reaction to the sun called polymorphous light eruption.

Sugar causes mood swings and fog on the brain. I also get the jitters and bug around the room followed by a crash. Entertaining for others. Unpleasant for me.

The combination of dairy and sugar causes demonic possession.

I have no ill effects at all from drinking coffee...only benefits. I drink organic dark roast black coffee. No milk. No sugar. Yum!

All kinds of tea make me nauseous, especially green tea, because I loathe tea. I'll stick with coffee.
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.  Which makes me curious whether anyone's had any luck with Dr D's allergy book?....


Hi Patty,
Both your entries on this thread caught my eye. Yes, the new allergy book has worked for me. As soon as I read page 99/100 I know what my life long problem has been- sulphides. Now it's back to packet reading and food diary keeping. I kept the daily food(and other things like new detergents) diary for three months before reaching this point. See my thread called Hives in the Encyclopedia Forum.
Best of luck. Jenny
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