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find milk without casein.....and whatever else you are intolerant to.


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Aim for the most beneficial of all the dairy products that are ok for your blood type.

I have gradually stopped eating any cow's milk products, instead, I use goat milk yogurt, goat milk chevrie cheese and sheeps milk feta.  Those digest very well.  Otherwise, with cows milk, I don't process that as well.

And yes, we B's do have a different relationship with dairy.  That's the key to the BTD:  One size does not fit all!



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Hitch:  Here's the B/dairy thread most recent.  I think you were saying the same thing HERE a couple of weeks ago, so let's see if some techie-type can do some Abracadabra and bring your current comments into this thread....


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Hitch:  Obviously, I've always been B.  But I haven't always reveled in dairy to the extent I recently have begun to do.

Think of it:  When I was living in Switzerland, friends there made fun of my "California" way of eating, quite light on the dairy, rejecting the surfeit of cheeses-constant-cheeses, creams, etc., in favor of quite-low-fat-foodstuffs, etc.

So I know what it is to be a B who rejects (a whole lot of) dairy.

I've also done really strict macrobiotics, way back when, so for a couple of YEARS I never ate ONE dairy product!!

And yet... I feel great on this bit-o-dairy (full-fat) every day thing. Just great.  If you can do a gradual intro/desensitization program (Dr. D. describes this for, say, Asian and African B's) (take a look in LR4YT).

I could really kick myself for becoming such a Dairy Lover NOW, so many years, not to mention kilometres, from that fantastic font of local ("artisan") cheeses...
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There's another thread starting up on B and Dairy, even on the specifics of Whole vs. Fractionated (fat removed) dairy products, so it'd be good to keep the subject going on a pre-existing thread, if any of you Techies are in the neighborhood.

I'd like to put in my 2 cents --- ok, my buck and a half --- here.

For the past couple of months, I've been wallowing in "full fat" dairy and feeling fantastic -- physically, that is. (Actually, I think I've been coping pretty well with the other stuff too, another story).

Last week I had a cold.  It was the BEST cold I ever had!  I really felt all the strengthening my body had gone through before it, and even through it.  It's really true what we "natural health" and "holistic" types have always claimed:  The strength of the organism determines its response to the pathogens.  I processed this cold magnificently.  I even ate whole dairy products WHILE I had the cold, and it passed more easily than ever:  No descent into the lower respiratory tract.

I don't have the time to go into the details here, but if anyone's interested in details, say so on this thread, and the next time I'm here, I'll continue it.  Suffice it to say that I'm really marvelling at the magnificence of the physiology....


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Interesting Exj-j -good to see you around-
your co-lover of full fat dairy;-)


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Hi Henriettebsec! Thanks for the note.  

Wow.  We're really onto something, aren't we?

I mean, you really know whether or not you've made a mistake when you have a cold.  You really know if your underlying health is there, undergirding you, or not. And I have to say that if the Full-Fat Dairy I've been enjoying for 2 months hadn't been good for me, this would have been one WHOPPER of a cold. Not only was it easy, but, as I said above, I enjoyed full-fat dairy WHILE I had the cold, and, still, it passed, accompanied by those extraordinary feelings of strength and impressions of the amazingness of the homeostatic miracle of the human body.

If you ever get a bad cut or wound, and then marvel at the site visibly repairing itself, and, if you use nature itself to facilitate that, as I do aromamedicine/aromatherapy, you know that miracle and that wonder to which I'm referring.

So, to witness that, through a cold, while eating a piece of cheese...that's pretty dang cool.


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hey...hey..hey... what did I dechippered... woo-hooo swicherlandli... so ...sooooo you lived in Swicherlandli... where? hey ce'mon tell us more... how beautiful the land is and how awsome meschugge-bekloppt- blöd-einfältig crazy-lazy-silly the peoples are here  do you remember *chuchichantschderli * yup... Switzera is the most american
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Yep Exj-j I think you are on to something...
Last year I had a pretty bad flue... doc told me to avoid dairy,, and I thought well maybe he is right -
maybe EVEN in a B it makes more mucus ...Offcourse I couldn´t avoid it- actually I was craving the stuff and it made absolutely no change in mucus/ but Mentally I felt satisfied -not stressed !
and I was fine after a few days.


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Y'know, Henriette.  This is a serious finding.  
Dr. D. is right there at the forefront of Individual(ized) Health.  He's in a position to take a deeper look at this NEED of B's for dairy, and of full-fat dairy, rather than at B's as "able to tolerate" dairy, as a minor part of our diets.  The "Dairy-leads-inevitably-to-mucus" connection is not holding up as a Universal.


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Stay tuned, friends!

I'm now in communication with the chemist of the dairy supplying my beloved full fat cream.  I'm particularly interested in why organic creams must be "ultrapasteurized" and have additives gum(s)/chemical(s)! and then they taste lousy.

I'll pass answers along to y'all.  And while I've got her on the line, perhaps I can forward your questions to her as well.  Only if they're NICE questions, gang: Nothing anti-dairy, etc.  You get the idea.


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I think it is only in America that the organic creams are not that natural.
My cream is organic from a small ( not so small anymore) organic dairy called Thiese. They use milk from different cows different; some call them cow-raciest... Jerseymilk (largest part)  is used for yoghurt, butter and cream. black and white frisian cows milk is mixed with jersey to make drinking milk- but they do carry a awsome 100% jersey 3,5% milk  yum. REAL organic milk is not homogenized here it is not allowed. It is not legal to sell milk that is not pasterized here- but I don´t think it is ultra p...... ?Tell your chemist at the dairy that it is not allowed to add weird chemicals and gums to organic cream here in Europe.....At least not last time I checked.

When I was pregnant 12 years ago we had a heatwave the last 2 months of my preganancy- We went to the local farmer ( not organic but freerange- able to go outdoor when they want to)  with jersey cows and picked up some really cheap milk with all the fats... I tell you we made the most fantastic icecream with our own eggs, honey , raspberries and this cream and milk... I almost lived on it couldn´t really feel tempted to eat anything else when you are huge , wearing a bikini and it is 28-32 c  all the time! mayme thats why my daughter was such a healthy and big baby when she was born.!

BTW I made a really lovely B-envy pie this weekend - i´ll post it later. it contained ricotta, marcarpone - dark chocolate and cranberries....

What is the rating for cream and marcapone ???


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You might find this article interesting:

An Organic Cash Cow
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11.....r=rssnyt&emc=rss


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Thank you Don- VERY interesting read for a non Us citizen!
I think you have a LOT to learn from us here in Denmark / EU

In Denmark more than 25 % of all milk sold is organic!

1 litre of organic milk cost around 1 dollar - sometimes a bit more it depends on how fatty!
Regular milk  same quality??? cost about 90 cent -you can get cheaper milk but then it is not very fresh.
i litre is about 2 us pints.

All organic cows here has to be out on grassfields all summer.
In wintertime they should be allowed to exercise each day.
Opposite regular cows they have the right of soft "beds "= hay,
The calf should be allowed to feed/ suck their mums
No gmo or "poison" in their feed.
Very strict laws about medication as well.
From this year all 100% of their feed has to be grown organic!-it used to be 80 %

About how we treat milk at the dairy!.
Well from the description above - I realized that we don`t ULTRA pasterize milk here!.
I prefer untreated milk but as mention in my other post it is difficult to get!

Consumers need to put pressure on the autorities to get a more natural organic milk in US
- NOW I understand the campaign for REAL MILK !
B`S unite and get the dairies and shops to get you healthy milk from happy and healthy cows.
Just realized I am SO lucky to be a B in a such a organic dairy country .

BTW the next organic bestsellers here are:

carrots 14 % of all sold
oats 27 %
eggs 18 %
fresh pasta 15 %
potatoes 4 %
wheat flour 10 %
Ryebread 7%
sounds like we are full of B´s here in Denmark ( except for pasta, bread and flour) however only 11 % of pop is B´s  


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OK, folks, the dairy chemist got back to me.  Here it is:

The 2 organic creams at Whole Foods are "ultrapasteurized"/extra-heated...for shipment all over the country.  This gives them added shelf life in the store. Cream sells more slowly than other dairy products.

The addition of extra heat causes a loss in the "whipping" properties of the cream, therefore carageenan is added.

Also, heat raises the acidity, which causes part of the milk to settle (as in cheesemaking).  Sodium citrate would be added to keep all parts in suspension.

Because the NON-organic cream is marketed only LOCALLY, it needs no extra pasteurization or chemical additives.  Therefore it tastes fantastic.

Of course, if organic cream is, likewise, marketed only locally, it too would taste great.

This is all paraphrased from my new friend, the Dairy Chemist.


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great update, thanks!)


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Thanks, exj_j.  Never thought of it that way, not being a chemist myself.
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This is a great reason for us all to attempt to find local sources of the foods that we eat, whenever possible.  It's wonderful to support small businesses, and eat fresh food.



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Yeah, but, Victoria...everyone's a little surprised that CloverStornetta, no "little guy", the Big Dairy Co. of the San Francisco Bay area, turns out to be selling the great tasting, no-additive, real McCoy, while the "smaller" "Organic" companies are heating and doctoring the stuff for shipment all over the country. This is anything BUT a "Let's support our small businesses" scenario.


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I'd like to find a genuine "small business" when it comes to dairy.  That means an organic dairy that only sells locally.  
I have found a couple of cow dairies that do that, but the only organic goat dairy has all the customers that their goats can provide for.  They have a waiting list.

It would be nice at least, if your CloverStornetta sells milk that does not contain the bovine growth hormones.  Do you know if this is the case?



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OH exj.j - now even I get it !!- so it is because of the long distance in US - so me living in a small country is lucky right


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In many respects we are the lucky ones, Henriette!

And I'm green with envy reading about you milk-consumption. A few years ago I taught Biology at an agricultural college - mid-morning coffee with smørrebrød, hot lunch and afternoon coffee with cake - everything home made from the college's farm's own products, of course - was included in my salary. Boy did I gain weight...!

...Aaaanyway - the milk there was fresh from the cow - only skimmed to take most cream off the top, and then cooled. It was not full fat, but - erm - what's Letmælk in English, Henriette? WOW!!! BEST.MILK.I.HAVE.EVER.TASTED!!! And the whipped cream?!? *swoon*

(You know what? If I ever got offered a glass of milk like that again, I would accept it in an instance not blinking an eye! O or not...! )


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Yeah - My Emma is green with envy as well. - good to B !

BTW
EXj j check this out :

http://www.westonaprice.org/motherlinda/ultra-pasteurizedmilk.html


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